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[Hey]

Modifié par Festae9, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:12 .

[3DandBeyond]

Festae9 wrote...

There's a fine line between the two.

[3DandBeyond]

My understanding is also that the Destroy ending is the only one that sets a plot flag so that if there were an ME4, that is the one ending with a save game that could be used to set up known values in ME4.

[IamDanThaMan]

Xellith, honestly, yes, that is totally true. Bioware built too complex of lore and characters for you to really understand by just playing mass effect 3. But the same can bes said of the halo universe, metal gear, or star wars. From a gameplay standpoint, you can still have a fun time, but to really understand everything,you have to have played and read everything else.

[Hey]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

There's a fine line between the two.

yes.  Radio Raheem agrees. 

It's a good flick, matches the title, so I posted it.  Good reminder?... 

[Warrior Craess]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

I'm sorry, but if you can't make conclusions from obvious evidence and have to beg for an ending that makes sense without any actual thought, that is not my problem. I am just trying to help you inderstand where you are going wrong.

This doesn't make any sense, neither as a reply to my post nor as a standalone statement.

Congratulations.

Learn to speak english, that might help.

Wow another jack boot telling someone how they should play the game.  Not to mention being an insulting little prig. 

lol it's jack boot man, making arguments from whole cloth. 

It's cool that in your RPG game synthesis is explained by nanites. However in my RPG game (and I'm fairly certain many others) Reaper nanites are not capable of the instantaneous travel and performance that they demonstrate in the your ending of ME3.

[3DandBeyond]

Festae9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

There's a fine line between the two.

yes.  Radio Raheem agrees. 

It's a good flick, matches the title, so I posted it.  Good reminder?... 

Yes, it could go hand in hand (get it) with "can't we all just get along?" but then Rodney King died so it seemed like that might end badly.

[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

I'm sorry, but if you can't make conclusions from obvious evidence and have to beg for an ending that makes sense without any actual thought, that is not my problem. I am just trying to help you inderstand where you are going wrong.

This doesn't make any sense, neither as a reply to my post nor as a standalone statement.

Congratulations.

Learn to speak english, that might help.

Wow another jack boot telling someone how they should play the game.  Not to mention being an insulting little prig. 

lol it's jack boot man, making arguments from whole cloth. 

It's cool that in your RPG game synthesis is explained by nanites. However in my RPG game (and I'm fairly certain many others) Reaper nanites are not capable of the instantaneous travel and performance that they demonstrate in the your ending of ME3.

As someone who speaks only English (and is often challenged by it) may I offer an apology for the bad behavior of someone who believes somewhat arrogantly that English is the center of the universe.  I see this all too often and if we are all ever to get along as a human race, we must respect that others have different "centers" from our own.  There are many valid ways to live a life, my way is my way, but it's not the right way for everyone.

o Ventus, I cannot remember what you said-I believe you said German was your first language.  Whatever the case, your English is just fine and it's horrid that people don't think before speaking sometimes.  I am in awe of anyone that can excel at other languages.  I learned rudimentary Spanish and did fairly well, but it's been a long time.

I find these kinds of statements appalling.

[Hey]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

There's a fine line between the two.

yes.  Radio Raheem agrees. 

It's a good flick, matches the title, so I posted it.  Good reminder?... 

Yes, it could go hand in hand (get it) with "can't we all just get along?" but then Rodney King died so it seemed like that might end badly.

U fighting the power 3 D! 

www.youtube.com/watch

[3DandBeyond]

Festae9 wrote...

U fighting the power 3 D! 

www.youtube.com/watch

Ha ha, I am no Public Enemy. 

[o Ventus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

o Ventus, I cannot remember what you said-I believe you said German was your first language.  Whatever the case, your English is just fine and it's horrid that people don't think before speaking sometimes.  I am in awe of anyone that can excel at other languages.  I learned rudimentary Spanish and did fairly well, but it's been a long time.

I find these kinds of statements appalling.

My primary language is English, actually. Born and raised in the States. My 2nd language is German (been taking classes for 1 and a half years).

[Xellith]

If you were born and raised in the US then shouldnt your primary language be Spanish?

[AlanC9]

drayfish wrote...
You may like the endings for what they say in all their nihilistic glory; you may believe that Bioware has the right to make whatever statement that they like, therefore they do not need to give their players 'choice' (despite years of marketting declaring that they would); but it is wholly inaccurate, and ethically suspect to keep using the term 'moral conflict' for the endings that Mass Effect 3 delivered.

People really need to stop tossing around "nihilistic" in this fashion. Shepard's actions are significant, and change the future for the better. Whatever's going on, it isn't nihilistic.

[3DandBeyond]

o Ventus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

o Ventus, I cannot remember what you said-I believe you said German was your first language.  Whatever the case, your English is just fine and it's horrid that people don't think before speaking sometimes.  I am in awe of anyone that can excel at other languages.  I learned rudimentary Spanish and did fairly well, but it's been a long time.

I find these kinds of statements appalling.

My primary language is English, actually. Born and raised in the States. My 2nd language is German (been taking classes for 1 and a half years).

Ah ok sorry for my mix up on that, but still I see nothing wrong with your English whatsoever-not that I'm one to judge. 

[drayfish]

AlanC9 wrote...

drayfish wrote...
You may like the endings for what they say in all their nihilistic glory; you may believe that Bioware has the right to make whatever statement that they like, therefore they do not need to give their players 'choice' (despite years of marketting declaring that they would); but it is wholly inaccurate, and ethically suspect to keep using the term 'moral conflict' for the endings that Mass Effect 3 delivered.

People really need to stop tossing around "nihilistic" in this fashion. Shepard's actions are significant, and change the future for the better. Whatever's going on, it isn't nihilistic.

Existential nihilism suggests that life is devoid of intrinsic value and not governed by morality.  We exist simply to exist.  I used the term deliberately and with a purpose. 

Modifié par drayfish, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

drayfish wrote...
You may like the endings for what they say in all their nihilistic glory; you may believe that Bioware has the right to make whatever statement that they like, therefore they do not need to give their players 'choice' (despite years of marketting declaring that they would); but it is wholly inaccurate, and ethically suspect to keep using the term 'moral conflict' for the endings that Mass Effect 3 delivered.

People really need to stop tossing around "nihilistic" in this fashion. Shepard's actions are significant, and change the future for the better. Whatever's going on, it isn't nihilistic.

Changes the future, sure.  For the better?  debatable (obviously)

[Oni Changas]

Nihilistic meaning everything you did prior has no meaning and the endings are completely irreverant. Things just happen due to the disconnect.

[IamDanThaMan]

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

To be honest few have posted against the OP in actuality. It just seems to be the same ones over and over and over again with something approaching an almost relegious zeal.

Maybe you guys should get a hobby. Play some games, kick back and relax. You know, that sort of thing...

What are you talking about? What relevence does how many have been counter debating the proposal from the OP in the content of the thread have to do with what I said? It does not change the fact without those who disagree posting in here, the thread would not be on the front page with more likely few pages back and it would be a vast fraction of pages currently is. The amount of people posting in agreement is as small as the amount you claim post in opposition but none of that changes what would happen if those who have not discussed with an opinion different to the OP in here. The amount who agree will still be small in number, the thread would still be small in amount of pages and the thread would more likely be not on the front page anymore.

It is interesting your assumption that those who held a different view and posted in here often are borderline zealots who have nothing else they are doing right now. Fact, while discussing in this thread I have been discussing in many others at same time, fact while discussing in this thread I have actually played other games, slept, eaten, done my real life work and chatted with other people outside these forums about things that are not ME or Bioware related. Now.. Maybe you can only do one thing at a time but let me assure you that is not the case with everyone else here.

My comment wasn't so much arguing against the point you made. It was more a lighthearted response to the conceited arrogance displayed within your post.

But anyway, thanks for finishing your thread bump with an attempted insult. Made me chuckle...

Funny thing about RPG games on a screen, they are open to interpretation. What you assume was behind the game does not mean it was actually intended or even expressed in a way a personal bias against the point will infer behind it. You claim your RPG gaem  was lighthearted, to me it was insulting. To you, my DLC is insulting but desired by me in a lighthearted way as far as I am concerned (including a nice smiley face to further show this).

Fixed it for you. 

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

drayfish wrote...
You may like the endings for what they say in all their nihilistic glory; you may believe that Bioware has the right to make whatever statement that they like, therefore they do not need to give their players 'choice' (despite years of marketting declaring that they would); but it is wholly inaccurate, and ethically suspect to keep using the term 'moral conflict' for the endings that Mass Effect 3 delivered.

People really need to stop tossing around "nihilistic" in this fashion. Shepard's actions are significant, and change the future for the better. Whatever's going on, it isn't nihilistic.

It depends on your POV.  For you they are not, for others, they are.  You think the actions change things for the better, but you won't really delve into what the choices mean and can mean, would mean for the people forced to live in that galaxy.

Most people don't want to live under totalitarianism, especially not that involves monsters with their relatives inside as goo.
Most people don't see irrevocably being fully integrated with tech as nirvana or utopia either, nor would everyone just love all synthetics somehow fully understanding them.
Most people might not like the situation they are left in after the crucible severely damages relays (still want to know what Desperate Measures might have to say about this), destroys all synthetics (whatever that means since glow boy doesn't specify just synthetic life), and with no AIs to help fix things at all.  As well, with the lives of one race of people devalued and then exterminated, others will wonder who is next if things go bad.  It's happened before to the Krogan, the Rachni, the Batarians, so now it's the geth. 

The choices feature contrived and arbitrary costs.  The fact that each choice also speaks to different moral views as many see them does fit the description.  It is a repudiation of morality in that life and the autonomy of the individual are not respected.  Life is not merely about survival-Shepard to EDI (I believe this was said to EDI). 

[N7_Paragon2077]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

I don't think any of this was necessary. 3D hasn't thrown any insults towards anyone, and as a friend, I'd prefer that you didn't either. Also, this thread wasn't made for you, it was made for BioWare. No need to go around insulting anyone's intelligence, so get off your high horse. And in the words of a certain somebody, this exchange is over.

[Dragoonlordz]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Fixed it for you. 

Do not edit other peoples posts then pass it off as something they said.

It is one of the quicker ways to have a forced timeout from this site. If you want to make fun of something and alter it, keep the original quote in it's original form and make your point in your own reply.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[3DandBeyond]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

You came into this thread with a chip on your shoulder and dared others to knock it off-you've insulted just about everyone on here for one thing or another and tried to discuss little except for your presumed idea that everyone that does not agree with you is an idiot.

It would have been nice if you could have acted in a mature manner and with some decency.  Bye now.

[Warrior Craess]

Xellith wrote...

If you were born and raised in the US then shouldnt your primary language be Spanish?

LOL

[AresKeith]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

I don't think any of this was necessary. 3D hasn't thrown any insults towards anyone, and as a friend, I'd prefer that you didn't either. Also, this thread wasn't made for you, it was made for BioWare. No need to go around insulting anyone's intelligence, so get off your high horse. And in the words of a certain somebody, this exchange is over.

hey, thats my closing video statement lol