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[3DandBeyond]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

I don't think any of this was necessary. 3D hasn't thrown any insults towards anyone, and as a friend, I'd prefer that you didn't either. Also, this thread wasn't made for you, it was made for BioWare. No need to go around insulting anyone's intelligence, so get off your high horse. And in the words of a certain somebody, this exchange is over.

Heroes come in all shapes and sizes.

[N7_Paragon2077]

AresKeith wrote...

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

I don't think any of this was necessary. 3D hasn't thrown any insults towards anyone, and as a friend, I'd prefer that you didn't either. Also, this thread wasn't made for you, it was made for BioWare. No need to go around insulting anyone's intelligence, so get off your high horse. And in the words of a certain somebody, this exchange is over.

hey, thats my closing video statement lol

lmao, that's awesome! xD I was just watching the whole vid a little while ago so I found that little part and a purpose for it lol

[Warrior Craess]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

Bwahahahahahahaha seriously? your going to take your ball and go home? 

All you've done is provide your head canon about then endings, demanding that we all see it the same way you do. And to assert that optional DLC would some how harm your experience of the game. 

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Fixed it for you. 

Do not edit other peoples posts then pass it off as something they said.

It is one of the quicker ways to have a forced timeout from this site. If you want to make fun of something and alter it, keep the original quote in it's original form and make your point in your own reply.

Whatever. You obviously missed the point about it.  

[AresKeith]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Actually 3d, he said that english was his first language, and german was his second. You would remember that if you were paying attention. I was merely throwing his insult back in his face, i have no problem with anyone of differnt nationalities. One of my best friends is from hong kong, but that is beside the point. Because i find it ironic that you have no problem with you or anyone elsethat agrees with you dishes it out, but once we respond in kind we are labeled as biggoted jerks. Im done with this garbage. You are obvoiusly not interested in any kind of actual discussion. I have answered every single question posed to me in a way that would be sufficient for any rational human being. It is obvious that you are neither.

I don't think any of this was necessary. 3D hasn't thrown any insults towards anyone, and as a friend, I'd prefer that you didn't either. Also, this thread wasn't made for you, it was made for BioWare. No need to go around insulting anyone's intelligence, so get off your high horse. And in the words of a certain somebody, this exchange is over.

hey, thats my closing video statement lol

lmao, that's awesome! xD I was just watching the whole vid a little while ago so I found that little part and a purpose for it lol

I'm gonna start using it during every debate or arguement

[N7_Paragon2077]

AresKeith wrote...

I'm gonna start using it during every debate or arguement

Same lol. The vanguard of our destruction spoke absolute truth in those 10 seconds:lol:

[Killdren88]

Hopeful, This a bump to keep this in the eye of Bioware/

[Moirai]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Funny thing about words on a screen, they are open to interpretation. What you assume was behind the words does not mean was actually intended or even expressed in a way a personal bias against the point will infer behind it. You claim your comment was lighthearted, to me it was insulting. To you my comment was insulting but expressed by me in a lighthearted way as far as I am concerned (including a nice smiley face to further show this).

*chuckles* Come now. We are both well aware of the real value of smileys deliberately employed at the end of obviously intended inflammatory comments.

Zero.

It's just a little game that's played.

[3DandBeyond]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I'm gonna start using it during every debate or arguement

Same lol. The vanguard of our destruction spoke absolute truth in those 10 seconds:lol:

Yeah.  I had to laugh when Shepard finds the Sovereign piece in Leviathan in Bryson's office and says, "how's that workin' for ya".  First, it was funny, but it was also kind of sad-not for Sovy, but for Shepard.  At that point she thinks she's gonna one up some reapers.  Sad.

[3DandBeyond]

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Funny thing about words on a screen, they are open to interpretation. What you assume was behind the words does not mean was actually intended or even expressed in a way a personal bias against the point will infer behind it. You claim your comment was lighthearted, to me it was insulting. To you my comment was insulting but expressed by me in a lighthearted way as far as I am concerned (including a nice smiley face to further show this).

*chuckles* Come now. We are both well aware of the real value of smileys deliberately employed at the end of obviously intended inflammatory comments.

Zero.

It's just a little game that's played.

Way back, many years ago my friends and I (we were young and idiotic) used to think it was rather funny to say things like this.  "You're really stupid, but I mean it in a nice way."  I think that is sometimes what smileys are used for.

[chevyguy87]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Xelith, I can honestly say for ME3, you don't need to play or read anything beforehand to "understand" it.  I've played it standalone, from ME2 on, and from ME1 on.  There's some incidental dialogue changed, some characters that don't show up, but nothing obviously out of place or missing.

ME3 alone makes as much sense as playing it from ME1 through does.  And ME1 and 2 add very little if anything of substance to it.  Except for Conrad. 

Those two statements right there are the exact reasons I stopped playing Mass Effect. That right there, the notion of being able to pick it up new and not having missed a beat as compared to those out there who have read all the books and played all the games is in my opinion the most disgusting and horrific crime Bioware has committed. Nevermind the ending disputes or the three ring circus they call a PR department, but when they focused more so on the average Joe then the loyal and dedicated fanbase, they started digging their own graves. 

From a business stand point I understand the need to constantly adapt based on consumer activity, but dumbing down and stripping vital elements from the final product and passing off what should have already been there as DLC now that's just being greedy and is turning away potential customers and fans. I still feel that if given another year or two ME3 could have been so much better, but given the time window (which I'm sure EA had something to do with), that feat could not have been possible nor could it have made the suits in the office the vast somes of money that they so desperatly desire. So much has been gutted from ME3, it no longer feels like ME. Alas The first two games and parts of the third have given me great joy but I have now moved on.

It was fun while it lasted wasn't it? 

[N7_Paragon2077]

3DandBeyond wrote...

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I'm gonna start using it during every debate or arguement

Same lol. The vanguard of our destruction spoke absolute truth in those 10 seconds:lol:

Yeah.  I had to laugh when Shepard finds the Sovereign piece in Leviathan in Bryson's office and says, "how's that workin' for ya".  First, it was funny, but it was also kind of sad-not for Sovy, but for Shepard.  At that point she thinks she's gonna one up some reapers.  Sad.

Yep, it is sad. I laughed, but I agree, much better if you didn't know what was about to happen

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Funny thing about words on a screen, they are open to interpretation. What you assume was behind the words does not mean was actually intended or even expressed in a way a personal bias against the point will infer behind it. You claim your comment was lighthearted, to me it was insulting. To you my comment was insulting but expressed by me in a lighthearted way as far as I am concerned (including a nice smiley face to further show this).

*chuckles* Come now. We are both well aware of the real value of smileys deliberately employed at the end of obviously intended inflammatory comments.

Zero.

It's just a little game that's played.

Way back, many years ago my friends and I (we were young and idiotic) used to think it was rather funny to say things like this.  "You're really stupid, but I mean it in a nice way."  I think that is sometimes what smileys are used for.

Your free to think whatever you like, does not make it true however.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Gorl, laughs forever at "do the right thing." C'mon, OP.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Funny thing about words on a screen, they are open to interpretation. What you assume was behind the words does not mean was actually intended or even expressed in a way a personal bias against the point will infer behind it. You claim your comment was lighthearted, to me it was insulting. To you my comment was insulting but expressed by me in a lighthearted way as far as I am concerned (including a nice smiley face to further show this).

*chuckles* Come now. We are both well aware of the real value of smileys deliberately employed at the end of obviously intended inflammatory comments.

Zero.

It's just a little game that's played.

Way back, many years ago my friends and I (we were young and idiotic) used to think it was rather funny to say things like this.  "You're really stupid, but I mean it in a nice way."  I think that is sometimes what smileys are used for.

Your free to think whatever you like, does not make it true however.

  I didn't say that's what you did.

[3DandBeyond]

chevyguy87 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Xelith, I can honestly say for ME3, you don't need to play or read anything beforehand to "understand" it.  I've played it standalone, from ME2 on, and from ME1 on.  There's some incidental dialogue changed, some characters that don't show up, but nothing obviously out of place or missing.

ME3 alone makes as much sense as playing it from ME1 through does.  And ME1 and 2 add very little if anything of substance to it.  Except for Conrad. 

Those two statements right there are the exact reasons I stopped playing Mass Effect. That right there, the notion of being able to pick it up new and not having missed a beat as compared to those out there who have read all the books and played all the games is in my opinion the most disgusting and horrific crime Bioware has committed. Nevermind the ending disputes or the three ring circus they call a PR department, but when they focused more so on the average Joe then the loyal and dedicated fanbase, they started digging their own graves. 

From a business stand point I understand the need to constantly adapt based on consumer activity, but dumbing down and stripping vital elements from the final product and passing off what should have already been there as DLC now that's just being greedy and is turning away potential customers and fans. I still feel that if given another year or two ME3 could have been so much better, but given the time window (which I'm sure EA had something to do with), that feat could not have been possible nor could it have made the suits in the office the vast somes of money that they so desperatly desire. So much has been gutted from ME3, it no longer feels like ME. Alas The first two games and parts of the third have given me great joy but I have now moved on.

It was fun while it lasted wasn't it? 

The problem is this was done needlessly.  It was their idea to try and woo new players for whatever reason.  So, they should have been ready to do just that.  They should have had a decision making process in place much like the PS3 Genesis comic for ME2.  Sure, they'd have to have some way to work out the cost for it or just eat that cost, but I do believe just including it for everyone would have allowed them to make a better more inclusive game, one that was not "wrong" for legacy players, but that also allowed for new ones.  They are now doing that for the Wii U release version.  I don't know what that will include, but it's a bit late to "fix" the things that could have been worked into ME3.

[SarcasmRealist]

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

chevyguy87 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Xelith, I can honestly say for ME3, you don't need to play or read anything beforehand to "understand" it.  I've played it standalone, from ME2 on, and from ME1 on.  There's some incidental dialogue changed, some characters that don't show up, but nothing obviously out of place or missing.

ME3 alone makes as much sense as playing it from ME1 through does.  And ME1 and 2 add very little if anything of substance to it.  Except for Conrad. 

Those two statements right there are the exact reasons I stopped playing Mass Effect. That right there, the notion of being able to pick it up new and not having missed a beat as compared to those out there who have read all the books and played all the games is in my opinion the most disgusting and horrific crime Bioware has committed. Nevermind the ending disputes or the three ring circus they call a PR department, but when they focused more so on the average Joe then the loyal and dedicated fanbase, they started digging their own graves. 

From a business stand point I understand the need to constantly adapt based on consumer activity, but dumbing down and stripping vital elements from the final product and passing off what should have already been there as DLC now that's just being greedy and is turning away potential customers and fans. I still feel that if given another year or two ME3 could have been so much better, but given the time window (which I'm sure EA had something to do with), that feat could not have been possible nor could it have made the suits in the office the vast somes of money that they so desperatly desire. So much has been gutted from ME3, it no longer feels like ME. Alas The first two games and parts of the third have given me great joy but I have now moved on.

It was fun while it lasted wasn't it? 

I agree.  Before ME1 even came out (and this applies to Dragon Age: Origins as well), they hyped up the whole "your choices will have a lasting impact on the entire series", and we all know how that turned out.

[3DandBeyond]

SarcasmRealist wrote...

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

I am appealing to them to see us as we are: fans, customers, and people who've really cared about what they've done.  No other company thus far has created such a compelling thing as they have.  I don't want them to stop creating them either.  I want to encourage them to set themselves apart.  Lead, don't follow.  Don't create games that are just like other games because they are mind-numbing, brainless activities.  ME appealed to something better in us, a great many of us.  We fully fell into this thing BW created-and the themes resonated with us.  You don't necessarily get to be the hero in real life, but you got a glimpse of that in ME.  And people cared about that, in a game.

I'm asking for myself, but believe I'm expressing the thoughts of many others.  Please.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[SarcasmRealist]

3DandBeyond wrote...

SarcasmRealist wrote...

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

I am appealing to them to see us as we are: fans, customers, and people who've really cared about what they've done.  No other company thus far has created such a compelling thing as they have.  I don't want them to stop creating them either.  I want to encourage them to set themselves apart.  Lead, don't follow.  Don't create games that are just like other games because they are mind-numbing, brainless activities.  ME appealed to something better in us, a great many of us.  We fully fell into this thing BW created-and the themes resonated with us.  You don't necessarily get to be the hero in real life, but you got a glimpse of that in ME.  And people cared about that, in a game.

I'm asking for myself, but believe I'm expressing the thoughts of many others.  Please.

I agree with you.  For me Bioware became the go to for RPG's, for their compelling story and signature gameplay.  (It used to be Square Enix but I think all hope is lost for them now, though I do get excited when I hear a new FF is coming out.  Then I get sad again.)  I don't want Bioware to go the way of Square for me.  I am not as eloquent as you were in your post.  Without knowing me you were able to express how I, and I'm sure many others, feel.

[Moirai]

3DandBeyond wrote...

SarcasmRealist wrote...

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

I am appealing to them to see us as we are: fans, customers, and people who've really cared about what they've done.  No other company thus far has created such a compelling thing as they have.  I don't want them to stop creating them either.  I want to encourage them to set themselves apart.  Lead, don't follow.  Don't create games that are just like other games because they are mind-numbing, brainless activities.  ME appealed to something better in us, a great many of us.  We fully fell into this thing BW created-and the themes resonated with us.  You don't necessarily get to be the hero in real life, but you got a glimpse of that in ME.  And people cared about that, in a game.

I'm asking for myself, but believe I'm expressing the thoughts of many others.  Please.

Once again, very well put. I fully agree.

[3DandBeyond]

SarcasmRealist wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

SarcasmRealist wrote...

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

I am appealing to them to see us as we are: fans, customers, and people who've really cared about what they've done.  No other company thus far has created such a compelling thing as they have.  I don't want them to stop creating them either.  I want to encourage them to set themselves apart.  Lead, don't follow.  Don't create games that are just like other games because they are mind-numbing, brainless activities.  ME appealed to something better in us, a great many of us.  We fully fell into this thing BW created-and the themes resonated with us.  You don't necessarily get to be the hero in real life, but you got a glimpse of that in ME.  And people cared about that, in a game.

I'm asking for myself, but believe I'm expressing the thoughts of many others.  Please.

I agree with you.  For me Bioware became the go to for RPG's, for their compelling story and signature gameplay.  (It used to be Square Enix but I think all hope is lost for them now, though I do get excited when I hear a new FF is coming out.  Then I get sad again.)  I don't want Bioware to go the way of Square for me.  I am not as eloquent as you were in your post.  Without knowing me you were able to express how I, and I'm sure many others, feel.

Thank you very much.  Kind words do truly matter to me.  My thoughts kind of come from talking to some people on my friend's list who have told me they wanted something more.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[3DandBeyond]

Moirai wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

SarcasmRealist wrote...

This is a compelling plea.  If someone from Bioware has read this I'm sure it made them pause.  Many fans feel the same way.  I still have my copy of ME3 but I cannot play it nor do I want to trade it in. Upon reading your thoughts I hope something is being done.  There is still hope Bioware do not let all of your fans down.

I am appealing to them to see us as we are: fans, customers, and people who've really cared about what they've done.  No other company thus far has created such a compelling thing as they have.  I don't want them to stop creating them either.  I want to encourage them to set themselves apart.  Lead, don't follow.  Don't create games that are just like other games because they are mind-numbing, brainless activities.  ME appealed to something better in us, a great many of us.  We fully fell into this thing BW created-and the themes resonated with us.  You don't necessarily get to be the hero in real life, but you got a glimpse of that in ME.  And people cared about that, in a game.

I'm asking for myself, but believe I'm expressing the thoughts of many others.  Please.

Once again, very well put. I fully agree.

Thank you as well for kind words.

[Zan51]

raw6666 wrote...
The only way I can see it was the Reapers themselves that release them, since they have true nano-technology. Seeing how they can break down a human very fast into liquid, the dragon teath and able to sluaghter people 10.4 million a day. Of course that brings up a new problem is why didn't reapers just show up and eliminate a entire planet by just being there, other then  the fact a slow harvest would allow more people to kill into reapers. Oh well, everything has plot holes, it just more obvious when its rushed and not give time to clean up.

But if that was true, then Shepard's essece being essential is a big, fat lie, since they do not have his/her essence, and it cannot be given to them in a non-physical way since even the star brat needs Shep to jump in the beam...

[Vigilant111]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

The fact that an immoral person does not have an internal conflict does not mean that a moral conflict does not exist. I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp, except for the fact that it disproves your already very shaky argument.

You keep saying that all of the choices are immoral, but at the same time that there is no moral conflict. You can't have it both ways.

You can always choose to refuse, but isn't letting all organic life in the galaxy be wiped out when you could have prevented it also immoral.

My point is that it is unrealistic to expect all of your choices to have no negative consequences. I will go back to the WW2 argument again because it fits the situation perfectly. The United States could have taken Japan without dropping the atomic bombs. We had them over matched and were driving them back. However, when they weighed the possible losses of each option, they chose the option that would cause the least overall loss of life.

This is the same choice that is presented to you at the end of ME3, and the complaints that you are giving only serve to prove that the writers got the exact reaction from the endings that they wanted. I get it, you didn't like it, but just because you are too narrow minded to understand the concept, it doesn't make it bad.

It is not that the OP does not understand the concept, and you do not need to preach about what OP wants is unrealistic

The threat of the Japanese was very real during WW2, but the ending introduced some OTHER "threat" at the last ten minutes and was asking you to make an immensely immoral decision to this "threat" without an exit strategy

You (and many others) sound like you are saying that oh its not your story, it is BW's story, therefore it has to be made in this way, but this is a RPG game...if this really is BW's story, then I will have no problem whatsoever choosing any of the endings, because you know, its BW's story, they are the ones that suffer post ending depression, not me, hooray