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[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


The things you want specifically conventional victory do annoy me, you attempts to invalidate the balance of the current choices. Your attempt to invalidate the catalyst and all the endings which is insulting because it in it's most basic form is telling Bioware to take all the money and time involved in creating the original endings and the EC and throw it away like mean's nothing including urinating all over their creative rights to craft the games they want even though you already have the right to not buy it if do not like it aswell as slapping the face of Chris and others in forcing them to make everything they have said pointless.

You cannot fall back on do what we want and others do not have to buy it. How about they do what I want and you do not have to buy it or do what they want and anyone can decide not to buy it. It's a logical loop that has no baring because still revolves around creating something you want or creating something I want or what Bioware wants. It is no different than saying lets all have Bioware create what I want, what you want and what they want all in one giant DLC trololo despite being possible contradictory content compared to what already produced. Or creating what I want and what Bioware wants and you don't have to buy it. Or creating what you want and Bioware want and I do not have to buy it. It is actually a fairly pointless argument to rely on.

We have that now.  I am not opposed to other content that you might like being created.  I'm not selfish like that.  I don't adhere to the standard here that some apparently do that says as long as I'm  happy, screw you.  And that is what you are saying.

I'm asking Bioware to consider something that might work out for the best for them.  How is that unfair.  The thing is it's up to them to decide what to do with it and not some who seem mired in the status quo for their own myopic reasons.  I don't feel that I am asking for this just for myself, but for you too.

If you want more DLC then you better hope EA sees $$ from what is created.  Leviathan has had lackluster reviews from those that have been staunch ME3 supporters (reviewers).  A lot of people that even somewhat or really liked the endings, have already moved on.  So, keep telling us to do so, keep telling us to be quiet, and you will help to drive BW out of business.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:22 .

[3DandBeyond]

Xellith wrote...

While I do not believe that a conventional victory in the "pound for pound" argument.  I am in favour of assets you aquire having impacts on the final battle other than just a codex entry.  Something significant needs to happen.

Playing the game over and over again while acquiring new assets should give you new outcomes (within reason).

This is something being noted in reviews from IGN to G4TV, Game Informer and so on.  They see no value in adding to assets and have said that as much as BW says they aren't touching the ending, they continue to do so even if in minor ways.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

so let me get this straight from the line I bolded, you would be annoyed if they made a pre-ending DLC that also adds on the current endings even though it would be completely optional for you to choice that said ending

The things you want specifically conventional victory do annoy me, you attempts to invalidate the balance of the current choices. Your attempt to invalidate the catalyst and all the endings which is insulting because it in it's most basic form is telling Bioware to take all the money and time involved in creating the original endings and the EC and throw it away like mean's nothing including urinating all over their creative rights to craft the games they want even though you already have the right to not buy it if do not like it aswell as slapping the face of Chris and others in forcing them to make everything they have said pointless.

You cannot fall back on do what we want and others do not have to buy it. How about they do what I want and you do not have to buy it or do what they want and anyone can decide not to buy it. It's a logical loop that has no baring because still revolves around creating something you want or creating something I want or what Bioware wants. It is no different than saying lets all have Bioware create what I want, what you want and what they want all in one giant DLC trololo despite being possible contradictory content compared to what already produced. Or creating what I want and what Bioware wants and you don't have to buy it. Or creating what you want and Bioware want and I do not have to buy it. It is actually a fairly pointless argument to rely on.

first off I'm not asking for a Conventional Victory, do I want one and feel that it could have been possible Yes, but that isn't the point. You can acting like there tell Bioware to take away the endings that you like or are ok with, when you if you actually read what we write we're not saying that. And when have Bioware ever been true to their word since pre-release of Mass Effect 3

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


The things you want specifically conventional victory do annoy me, you attempts to invalidate the balance of the current choices. Your attempt to invalidate the catalyst and all the endings which is insulting because it in it's most basic form is telling Bioware to take all the money and time involved in creating the original endings and the EC and throw it away like mean's nothing including urinating all over their creative rights to craft the games they want even though you already have the right to not buy it if do not like it aswell as slapping the face of Chris and others in forcing them to make everything they have said pointless.

You cannot fall back on do what we want and others do not have to buy it. How about they do what I want and you do not have to buy it or do what they want and anyone can decide not to buy it. It's a logical loop that has no baring because still revolves around creating something you want or creating something I want or what Bioware wants. It is no different than saying lets all have Bioware create what I want, what you want and what they want all in one giant DLC trololo despite being possible contradictory content compared to what already produced. Or creating what I want and what Bioware wants and you don't have to buy it. Or creating what you want and Bioware want and I do not have to buy it. It is actually a fairly pointless argument to rely on.

We have that now.  I am not opposed to other content that you might like being created.  I'm not selfish like that.  I don't adhere to the standard here that some apparently do that says as long as I'm  happy, screw you.  And that is what you are saying.

What your asking for I find insulting. Specifically your desire to have them create content that invalidates the work they put into the catalyst and most importantly the theme of the game which from the offset even including prior titles in trilogy implying that you cannot win conventionally the 'war' as opposed to individual single 'ships'. It is silly to me how easy you are willing to throw out the balance of current choices where each has very large consequences and desire an easy way out where you do not have to make that hard choice.

My view on the three things you most want should be at most handled in the following ways...

Conventional 'victory' is a huge, immense NO. Refuse = loss but allows a cinematic that shows a final push by the fleets in a sort of going out with fight but ultimately losing. Slow motion ships burning, maybe some touching scenes watching people die and worlds conquered. The consequence of refusal shown as a loss yet showing the humanity aspect of going out in blaze of glory. That I would find okay.

Blue babies = No Shepard trololoing off into the sunset. It would have to be seeing Liara, Ashley or whatever holding your Shepards baby maybe looking at photo of the missing or dead father of it. That is about as far as I think should go if ever had the happy ever after idiology. Having him or her alive and living happy ever after defiles the theme of ME3 which is sacrifice, loss and consequences of the war. It is a war not a stroll in the park or bicking with a single Reaper ship like Sovereign or Harbinger.

Lastly on the aspect of invalidating the hard work and time and money that went into the catalyst endings and EC is a 'hell no'. It is not something they should consider and I find it insulting. The endings must remain the same in choices and balance specifically of those choices. The game was advertised as having hard choices and I want the endgame to have very hard choices, it does shown by the fact it is so hard you cannot even make that choice and want an easier one.

The only way (imho) to balance any new choice would be to make the consequence equal to that of the others or in fact more drastic due to the happy ever after outcome. So death and extinction of the entire human race and explosion of earth if ever gave you conventional victory would be sort of consequence I would not hate as much as it does not invalidate how hard the other choices are mean't to be. You cannot have that balance when you rely on mere oooh some worlds got damaged and oooh some people died which already happens in every other choice without the additional consequences attached they have, the consequence of the current choices are much greater as should be any other win situation.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Benchpress610]

Boy...are we having a hissy fit aren’t we…

[Dragoonlordz]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Boy...are we having a hissy fit aren’t we…

Are you?

[Benchpress610]

Did I hear a retort? Should I reply? Nah…*keep minding his own business*

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


What your asking for I find insulting. Specifically your desire to have them create content that invalidates the work they put into the catalyst and most importantly the theme of the game which from the offset even including prior titles in trilogy implying that you cannot win conventionally the 'war' as opposed to individual single 'ships'. It is silly to me how easy you are willing to throw out the balance of current choices where each has very large consequences and desire an easy way out where you do not have to make that hard choice.

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Sorry, that's too silly for words.  It also indicates you have formed conclusions based upon what you think I said and not from actually reading what I did say.  You are not being genuine here and saying it's insulting is too ridiculous for words.  I also have specifically repeatedly said I'm not asking them to change what you now have or to rip apart what they have created-I've not suggested they remove the kid and I'm not suggesting they at all invalidate anything they've now done.  If you think that, then apparently Leviathan invalidated it all as well or if they ever did create an ME4 that would invalidate ME1-3 as well.

I don't think you understand the theme of ME because it was repeated time and again and I've laid that out for you.  It was repeated way more often than was the idea that a conventional victory was not possible.  You keep regurgitating your pre-conceived notions of what you want to make it look like people have said, rather than paying heed to what they actually have said.  Your whole post is a fabrication of what this thread was about.  Try again and this time if you want to actually discuss something, discuss what was said, not what you want to make it look like was said.

I am not demanding BW do anything.  I'm not telling them to take away all the things you love-little glowing boys with attitudes, immoral choices that destroy the hopes and lives within the galaxy, rainbows and bunnies in slide shows that don't address real consequences-all the things that make this seem so much like a dream or hallucination.  Wouldn't that be the kicker-if BW all along had imagined this to be a hallucination?  What would you say if all along BW had intended to finally create a "conventional" unconventional victory?  It's their story, right?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


What your asking for I find insulting. Specifically your desire to have them create content that invalidates the work they put into the catalyst and most importantly the theme of the game which from the offset even including prior titles in trilogy implying that you cannot win conventionally the 'war' as opposed to individual single 'ships'. It is silly to me how easy you are willing to throw out the balance of current choices where each has very large consequences and desire an easy way out where you do not have to make that hard choice.

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Sorry, that's too silly for words.  It also indicates you have formed conclusions based upon what you think I said and not from actually reading what I did say.  You are not being genuine here and saying it's insulting is too ridiculous for words.  I also have specifically repeatedly said I'm not asking them to change what you now have or to rip apart what they have created-I've not suggested they remove the kid and I'm not suggesting they at all invalidate anything they've now done.  If you think that, then apparently Leviathan invalidated it all as well or if they ever did create an ME4 that would invalidate ME1-3 as well.

I don't think you understand the theme of ME because it was repeated time and again and I've laid that out for you.  It was repeated way more often than was the idea that a conventional victory was not possible.  You keep regurgitating your pre-conceived notions of what you want to make it look like people have said, rather than paying heed to what they actually have said.  Your whole post is a fabrication of what this thread was about.  Try again and this time if you want to actually discuss something, discuss what was said, not what you want to make it look like was said.

I am not demanding BW do anything.  I'm not telling them to take away all the things you love-little glowing boys with attitudes, immoral choices that destroy the hopes and lives within the galaxy, rainbows and bunnies in slide shows that don't address real consequences-all the things that make this seem so much like a dream or hallucination.  Wouldn't that be the kicker-if BW all along had imagined this to be a hallucination?  What would you say if all along BW had intended to finally create a "conventional" unconventional victory?  It's their story, right?

Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Jadebaby]

Damn there are some selfish/inconsiderate people in this thread.

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

Well then I hope, for your sake, BioWare make a sequel where you can play as the Catalyst.

However, since ME3 is Shepard's story. What about their existence being invalidated by the endings?

[N7_Paragon2077]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Damn there are some selfish/inconsiderate people in this thread.

You just read my mind.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

Well then I hope, for your sake, BioWare make a sequel where you can play as the Catalyst.

However, since ME3 is Shepard's story. What about their existence being invalidated by the endings?

I find it amusing this concept people throw around of Shepards story as though they have to make content to do everything you want them to do. As with all games and with ME you have a limited framework of pre-written and pre-decided choices and you have to pick the one closest to what want in that situation within that framework but sometimes all through trilogy there will be some which do not match what your 'imagined' Shepard would do in that situation. There are thousands of parts in the trilogy which you might want to have done something different or it didn't exactly match what would like but just like now there remains that limitation in choice which has always existed. This is merely just one of those times for some people.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

I didn't demand "babies".  I said romance and reunion DLC, but it was offered to BW as something they could look at to determine if it would indeed make money.  And I used the term aftermath in relation to both-as in after ME3 DLC.  I have also suggested that it would be however they determined all of this might play out the best-whether that be using refuse and a true victory based upon unconventional means that might weaken the reapers (such as in dark energy manipulating their mass effect fields and allow their mass to be lowered which weakens their kinetic barriers).  Your implication is that I want people to keep running at them with Assault rifles blazing, when I do not.  None of my ideas at all have even totally removed the kid at all, they have merely changed him and how he might be used.  But also, most of those were dream ideas (wishes that I was not asking Bioware for because they were more invasive as I've explained). 

My request of Bioware included the kid and was not specifically directed at any one way to achieve an outcome.  I offered them ideas that have been put forth and my own was that they keep the kid and use DLC to allow us to add to EMS that creates a more intact Crucible that could be used as intended-dark energy weapon that lowers shields on reapers and makes them vulnerable, or even less invasive that merely makes destroy better at discriminating so that it would only target the reapers.  The only change after that would be that EDI and the geth live if you kept them and Shepard is pulled out of the rubble by teammates or has one reunion scene much like the memorial wall scene but maybe in a hospital with the correct LI in attendance. 

I added that this scene could feature Shepard saying the part that Hackett says about unity and the slides would reflect reality-rebuilding will be difficult.  And it would leave open the possibility for real aftermath DLC that might feature getting things needed for rebuilding-maybe combined with ME2 teammates.  Each on the team to help you face the needs of the galaxy and rebuilding and more reunions.  I do think this could be fun.

But none of this would require them to throw away all that they have done at all-it would build upon that and maybe make them some money and earn them some respect creds.

If I were to ask for the moon, I'd want a true refuse ending with an imaginative unconventional fight to loss as well as a path to victory.  Wow how horrible and insulting is that? 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[N7_Paragon2077]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

Well then I hope, for your sake, BioWare make a sequel where you can play as the Catalyst.

However, since ME3 is Shepard's story. What about their existence being invalidated by the endings?

I find it amusing this concept people throw around of Shepards story as though they have to make content to do everything you want them to do. As with all games and with ME you have a limited framework of pre-written and pre-decided choices and you have to pick the one closest to what want in that situation within that framework but sometimes all through trilogy there will be some which do not match what you imagine your 'imagined' Shepard would do in that situation. There are thousands of parts in the trilogy which you might want to have done something different or it didn't exactly match what would like but just like now there remains that limitation in choice which has always existed. This is merely just one of those times for some people.

I wouldn't say that this is just merely one of those times for some people. I think this would be more along the lines of the most important time for many people, which explains why there's quite a bit more outcry than whether or not you get to save that Batarian with medigel or whatever. This is different, because they don't give you all the options. For example, Tuchanka and Rannoch, you get all of them. You can sabotage/cure, depending on who is dead or alive, this and that. On Rannoch, you can save one, save both. The end is just underwhelming compared to those 2 huge choices. You don't get all the choices you previously did. No matter what, you basically have to do something you wouldn't do, and more often than not, you have to die. Many people don't want that.

Modifié par N7_Paragon2077, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[3DandBeyond]

I'd also prefer endings that have epilogs that truly reflect the choice you just made and the pain you have just inflicted upon the galaxy in an eagerness to choose just any old thing that finishes the game. I'd prefer epilogs that make you think about what the ramifications of these choices really are, not the bunnies and rainbows that they show. I want a possible path to true victory on the galaxy's terms, not on the reapers' or the kid's or some unknown being's terms, that galaxy's. But we have what we have-all I can do is ask BW to consider that additions or even a new way forward might fix and regain much of what has been lost here.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

I didn't demand "babies".  I said romance and reunion DLC, but it was offered to BW as something they could look at to determine if it would indeed make money.  And I used the term aftermath in relation to both-as in after ME3 DLC.  I have also suggested that it would be however they determined all of this might play out the best-whether that be using refuse and a true victory based upon unconventional means that might weaken the reapers (such as in dark energy manipulating their mass effect fields and allow their mass to be lowered which weakens their kinetic barriers).  Your implication is that I want people to keep running at them with Assault rifles blazing, when I do not.  None of my ideas at all have even totally removed the kid at all, they have merely changed him and how he might be used.  But also, most of those were dream ideas (wishes that I was not asking Bioware for because they were more invasive as I've explained). 

My request of Bioware included the kid and was not specifically directed at any one way to achieve an outcome.  I offered them ideas that have been put forth and my own was that they keep the kid and use DLC to allow us to add to EMS that creates a more intact Crucible that could be used as intended-dark energy weapon that lowers shields on reapers and makes them vulnerable, or even less invasive that merely makes destroy better at discriminating so that it would only target the reapers.  The only change after that would be that EDI and the geth live if you kept them and Shepard is pulled out of the rubble by teammates or has one reunion scene much like the memorial wall scene but maybe in a hospital with the correct LI in attendance. 

I added that this scene could feature Shepard saying the part that Hackett says about unity and the slides would reflect reality-rebuilding will be difficult.  And it would leave open the possibility for real aftermath DLC that might feature getting things needed for rebuilding-maybe combined with ME2 teammates.  Each on the team to help you face the needs of the galaxy and rebuilding and more reunions.  I do think this could be fun.

But none of this would require them to throw away all that they have done at all-it would build upon that and maybe make them some money and earn them some respect creds.

If I were to ask for the moon, I'd want a true refuse ending with an imaginative unconventional fight to loss as well as a path to victory.  Wow how horrible and insulting is that? 

The reality is you want all the things you mentioned and there is no minimum will accept that will stop you asking for the rest of the things you want of that I am sure. But from a Bioware perspective they have to have a point in time where they draw the line in the sand where to stop reconning or replacing what already exists and create new content which does not rely on doing that They made their stance on where they have drawn that line.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing this concept people throw around of Shepards story as though they have to make content to do everything you want them to do. As with all games and with ME you have a limited framework of pre-written and pre-decided choices and you have to pick the one closest to what want in that situation within that framework but sometimes all through trilogy there will be some which do not match what your 'imagined' Shepard would do in that situation. There are thousands of parts in the trilogy which you might want to have done something different or it didn't exactly match what would like but just like now there remains that limitation in choice which has always existed. This is merely just one of those times for some people.

The problem is within that limited framework they created a variety of possibilites for Shepard to choose and the endings do not validate all of those choices.  If you didn't care about the geth or EDI, you're good to go, but if you did, there's no way forward.  Apparently you think it's an awful thing to care about Shepard.  I, however don't think Shepard should die in sacrifice to ruin the galaxy and the hope for a brighter future that they forge without reaper intervention or oversight or molestation.  I do see the games and stories as about the ability to choose what is moral for you (paragon exists within it) and no end choice is moral for my Shepard-not worthy of dying for and not worthy of killing for.  Refuse as it is is a bad joke.  For a choice to make sense it must appeal to the greater good and it must have valid consequences.  The outcomes do not.  People laugh when someone says they want to see Shepard alive and then they demean it by saying that's rainbows and bunnies-well, no it wouldn't be, but what we have now is shown to be just that.  One example is that control should show at least one person unhappy about having reaper overlords-one person asking a reaper if their husband is in there in goo form.  Bunnies and rainbows.

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

Well then I hope, for your sake, BioWare make a sequel where you can play as the Catalyst.

However, since ME3 is Shepard's story. What about their existence being invalidated by the endings?

I find it amusing this concept people throw around of Shepards story as though they have to make content to do everything you want them to do. As with all games and with ME you have a limited framework of pre-written and pre-decided choices and you have to pick the one closest to what want in that situation within that framework but sometimes all through trilogy there will be some which do not match what your 'imagined' Shepard would do in that situation. There are thousands of parts in the trilogy which you might want to have done something different or it didn't exactly match what would like but just like now there remains that limitation in choice which has always existed. This is merely just one of those times for some people.

lol that's ridiculous. Shepard's invalidation isn't in the choices presented. It's in the outcome of each choice, silly .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The reality is you want all the things you mentioned and there is no minimum will accept that will stop you asking for the rest of the things you want of that I am sure. But from a Bioware perspective they have to have a point in time where they draw the line in the sand where to stop reconning or replacing what already exists and create new content which does not rely on doing that They made their stance on where they have drawn that line.

Don't presume to know what I want and will accept.  You don't know me and can't or won't even act in good faith here by quoting people accurately.  Reality is a foreign concept to one who acts like this.  I've expressed what my wishes are and I've also said in numerous places what minimum would work and it is truly very little indeed.  I've stripped my wishes to the bare bones and I'd accept any of it.  You, however can't even give an inch.  You can't accept anything beyond what we now have even if it meant that it would please the majority of those that are unhappy now.  Why is that?  Why are you acting like you have such a personal stake in this?  How could it possibly hurt you if it would not change what you now have unless you want it to?  You have yet to answer this and I know why.  You just want people to be miserable about this.  You don't care if BW loses customers, loses money, makes poorer games, and if they make people unhappy.  You just plain don't care.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Not true, you have said you want conventional victory and want the babies idiology, you have said you very much want to invalidate the catalyst. So where was I wrong in what I said about you wanting those things when you have in fact said you want them and to do that.

I didn't demand "babies".  I said romance and reunion DLC, but it was offered to BW as something they could look at to determine if it would indeed make money.  And I used the term aftermath in relation to both-as in after ME3 DLC.  I have also suggested that it would be however they determined all of this might play out the best-whether that be using refuse and a true victory based upon unconventional means that might weaken the reapers (such as in dark energy manipulating their mass effect fields and allow their mass to be lowered which weakens their kinetic barriers).  Your implication is that I want people to keep running at them with Assault rifles blazing, when I do not.  None of my ideas at all have even totally removed the kid at all, they have merely changed him and how he might be used.  But also, most of those were dream ideas (wishes that I was not asking Bioware for because they were more invasive as I've explained). 

My request of Bioware included the kid and was not specifically directed at any one way to achieve an outcome.  I offered them ideas that have been put forth and my own was that they keep the kid and use DLC to allow us to add to EMS that creates a more intact Crucible that could be used as intended-dark energy weapon that lowers shields on reapers and makes them vulnerable, or even less invasive that merely makes destroy better at discriminating so that it would only target the reapers.  The only change after that would be that EDI and the geth live if you kept them and Shepard is pulled out of the rubble by teammates or has one reunion scene much like the memorial wall scene but maybe in a hospital with the correct LI in attendance. 

I added that this scene could feature Shepard saying the part that Hackett says about unity and the slides would reflect reality-rebuilding will be difficult.  And it would leave open the possibility for real aftermath DLC that might feature getting things needed for rebuilding-maybe combined with ME2 teammates.  Each on the team to help you face the needs of the galaxy and rebuilding and more reunions.  I do think this could be fun.

But none of this would require them to throw away all that they have done at all-it would build upon that and maybe make them some money and earn them some respect creds.

If I were to ask for the moon, I'd want a true refuse ending with an imaginative unconventional fight to loss as well as a path to victory.  Wow how horrible and insulting is that? 

The reality is you want all the things you mentioned and there is no minimum will accept that will stop you asking for the rest of the things you want of that I am sure. But from a Bioware perspective they have to have a point in time where they draw the line in the sand where to stop reconning or replacing what already exists and create new content which does not rely on doing that They made their stance on where they have drawn that line.

The reality is everyone wants all of that, but she isn't telling Bioware to do all of that, which you seem to be having a hard time grasping. And the add-on she's offering isn't going to change anything from the current ending but add on. And the relays were already retconned by Bioware and not us, some much from that stance.

[plfranke]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The reality is you want all the things you mentioned and there is no minimum will accept that will stop you asking for the rest of the things you want of that I am sure. But from a Bioware perspective they have to have a point in time where they draw the line in the sand where to stop reconning or replacing what already exists and create new content which does not rely on doing that They made their stance on where they have drawn that line.

Don't presume to know what I want and will accept.  You don't know me and can't or won't even act in good faith here by quoting people accurately.  Reality is a foreign concept to one who acts like this.  I've expressed what my wishes are and I've also said in numerous places what minimum would work and it is truly very little indeed.  I've stripped my wishes to the bare bones and I'd accept any of it.  You, however can't even give an inch.  You can't accept anything beyond what we now have even if it meant that it would please the majority of those that are unhappy now.  Why is that?  Why are you acting like you have such a personal stake in this?  How could it possibly hurt you if it would not change what you now have unless you want it to?  You have yet to answer this and I know why.  You just want people to be miserable about this.  You don't care if BW loses customers, loses money, makes poorer games, and if they make people unhappy.  You just plain don't care.

qft

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing this concept people throw around of Shepards story as though they have to make content to do everything you want them to do. As with all games and with ME you have a limited framework of pre-written and pre-decided choices and you have to pick the one closest to what want in that situation within that framework but sometimes all through trilogy there will be some which do not match what your 'imagined' Shepard would do in that situation. There are thousands of parts in the trilogy which you might want to have done something different or it didn't exactly match what would like but just like now there remains that limitation in choice which has always existed. This is merely just one of those times for some people.

The problem is within that limited framework they created a variety of possibilites for Shepard to choose and the endings do not validate all of those choices.  If you didn't care about the geth or EDI, you're good to go, but if you did, there's no way forward.  Apparently you think it's an awful thing to care about Shepard.  I, however don't think Shepard should die in sacrifice to ruin the galaxy and the hope for a brighter future that they forge without reaper intervention or oversight or molestation.  I do see the games and stories as about the ability to choose what is moral for you (paragon exists within it) and no end choice is moral for my Shepard-not worthy of dying for and not worthy of killing for.  Refuse as it is is a bad joke.  For a choice to make sense it must appeal to the greater good and it must have valid consequences.  The outcomes do not.  People laugh when someone says they want to see Shepard alive and then they demean it by saying that's rainbows and bunnies-well, no it wouldn't be, but what we have now is shown to be just that.  One example is that control should show at least one person unhappy about having reaper overlords-one person asking a reaper if their husband is in there in goo form.  Bunnies and rainbows.

Geth and EDI living in mine. In fact everyone other than myself did. Galaxy was not ruined. You can stick to your morality but seems to me with your morality your not willing to stick to your morals when when you cannot get the perfect result. You have no proof Reapers mistreat or turn people to goo in control. Your bias is no better than Germany in WW2 and what they did during that yet you do not consider them monsters and assume they killing jewish people now do you? In my control ending I saw no evidence that the Reapers are still reaping and I can't see them apologising for what they were doing in the past. They aren't your buddies in control ending they are merely used as tools to fix the destruction of buildings, worlds etc.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:52 .