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[plfranke]

Bump to keep this on the front page

[Haargel]

You know, the original endings is what brought me here.
The EC was satisfying, but it wasn't like the HELL YEA ME1or2 endings.

Just finished a PT with Jack romanced, man that was a dull romance, I have one left with Miri. Should I do that?

Reunion, more squadmate DLC and a happy ending would be a nice thing you know.

I still love this game and franchise. But it could be done. Happy - Ending ! Hell yea feeling, not, damn it's over feeling.

Not a hater, but the OP is right. It's all about the characters.

Modifié par Haargel, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Xellith]

I wouldnt bother doing an ME2 romance. Those chareacters got neglected so that we could have characters like Allers. >.>

[Warrior Craess]

alleyd wrote...

 I've read many posts requesting a change to the ending format, but none seem to actually suggest anything other than "I don't like this I want something different". The biggest issue I see when something is made to be divisive it is much harder to be reconciled into a cohesive whole IMO. Also that the moment has gone for any additional ending content that does not damage the Bioware brand

Bioware already say that there is no canon ending and that seems a franchise killing moment given the sheer difference between current endings.  There are fans who have reconciled their choice/compromise into the belief that it is a fitting choice as an end of series, to negate this by the addition of an ending that breaks the RGB format would be more than upsetting, not only those who accepted the compromise.

The biggest issue is that if Bioware does actually give further ending content then this means they flat out lied and had been deliberately manipulative. A far more serious fault IMO and one that should not be accepted by anyone.  Deliberate and prolonged manipulation is not good buisness practice in any form, it shows a contempt for the consumer and for the Brand itself. 

many of us already think they flat out lied and were manipulative. 

If there is no canon ending, why must all the achievable endings be so poor? If there is no canon endiing why can't there be one where shepard lives? Even if the galaxy and earth are severely damaged? 

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Geth and EDI living in mine. In fact everyone other than myself did. Galaxy was not ruined. You can stick to your morality but seems to me with your morality your not willing to stick to your morals when when you cannot get the perfect result. You have no proof Reapers mistreat or turn people to goo in control. Your bias is no better than Germany in WW2 and what they did during that yet you do not consider them monsters and assume they killing jewish people now do you? In my control ending I saw no evidence that the Reapers are still reaping and I can't see them apologising for what they were doing in the past. They aren't your buddies in control ending they are merely used as tools to fix the destruction of buildings, worlds etc.

Do you honestly think no one will be unhappy that reapers that previously killed billions in the galaxy and have that goo inside them are flying around?  Consequences-they aren't real.  People would not like this.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding the Germans and the Jews-you really have fallen off a ledge.  My parents served during WWII.  I have nothing but disdain and disgust for what happened then and I have total disgust for you it you are suggesting I think that was ok-are you seriously comparing the reapers to the Jews in WWII.  Or are you comparing them to the Germans?  I can't figure out which.

Reapers have killed billions this cycle alone and they have the goo of people inside them-so why would anyone be ok with them just because they are fixing relays?  Who wants their apology?  The ones Shepard talked to in my game seemed to truly enjoy killing as far as I could tell.  I wouldn't want a serial killer or mass murderer fixing my toaster let alone everything else.  And people need to rid themselves of the reaper infection that has kept them from self-determing and from self-reliance.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:08 .

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


The things you want specifically conventional victory do annoy me, you attempts to invalidate the balance of the current choices. Your attempt to invalidate the catalyst and all the endings which is insulting because it in it's most basic form is telling Bioware to take all the money and time involved in creating the original endings and the EC and throw it away like mean's nothing including urinating all over their creative rights to craft the games they want even though you already have the right to not buy it if do not like it aswell as slapping the face of Chris and others in forcing them to make everything they have said pointless.

You cannot fall back on do what we want and others do not have to buy it. How about they do what I want and you do not have to buy it or do what they want and anyone can decide not to buy it. It's a logical loop that has no baring because still revolves around creating something you want or creating something I want or what Bioware wants. It is no different than saying lets all have Bioware create what I want, what you want and what they want all in one giant DLC trololo despite being possible contradictory content compared to what already produced. Or creating what I want and what Bioware wants and you don't have to buy it. Or creating what you want and Bioware want and I do not have to buy it. It is actually a fairly pointless argument to rely on.

We have that now.  I am not opposed to other content that you might like being created.  I'm not selfish like that.  I don't adhere to the standard here that some apparently do that says as long as I'm  happy, screw you.  And that is what you are saying.

What your asking for I find insulting. Specifically your desire to have them create content that invalidates the work they put into the catalyst and most importantly the theme of the game which from the offset even including prior titles in trilogy implying that you cannot win conventionally the 'war' as opposed to individual single 'ships'. It is silly to me how easy you are willing to throw out the balance of current choices where each has very large consequences and desire an easy way out where you do not have to make that hard choice.

My view on the three things you most want should be at most handled in the following ways...

Conventional 'victory' is a huge, immense NO. Refuse = loss but allows a cinematic that shows a final push by the fleets in a sort of going out with fight but ultimately losing. Slow motion ships burning, maybe some touching scenes watching people die and worlds conquered. The consequence of refusal shown as a loss yet showing the humanity aspect of going out in blaze of glory. That I would find okay.

Blue babies = No Shepard trololoing off into the sunset. It would have to be seeing Liara, Ashley or whatever holding your Shepards baby maybe looking at photo of the missing or dead father of it. That is about as far as I think should go if ever had the happy ever after idiology. Having him or her alive and living happy ever after defiles the theme of ME3 which is sacrifice, loss and consequences of the war. It is a war not a stroll in the park or bicking with a single Reaper ship like Sovereign or Harbinger.

Lastly on the aspect of invalidating the hard work and time and money that went into the catalyst endings and EC is a 'hell no'. It is not something they should consider and I find it insulting. The endings must remain the same in choices and balance specifically of those choices. The game was advertised as having hard choices and I want the endgame to have very hard choices, it does shown by the fact it is so hard you cannot even make that choice and want an easier one.

The only way (imho) to balance any new choice would be to make the consequence equal to that of the others or in fact more drastic due to the happy ever after outcome. So death and extinction of the entire human race and explosion of earth if ever gave you conventional victory would be sort of consequence I would not hate as much as it does not invalidate how hard the other choices are mean't to be. You cannot have that balance when you rely on mere oooh some worlds got damaged and oooh some people died which already happens in every other choice without the additional consequences attached they have, the consequence of the current choices are much greater as should be any other win situation.

can't believe I'm responding to dragoon.... but here goes.

You know what, I really no longer care what you find insulting.  All you've done this entire thread is whine about how bad we are for asking, that optional DLC be created to allow more of us to fully enjoy the ending. 

[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...


can't believe I'm responding to dragoon.... but here goes.

You know what, I really no longer care what you find insulting.  All you've done this entire thread is whine about how bad we are for asking, that optional DLC be created to allow more of us to fully enjoy the ending. 

His dictionary is broken right before the word selfish.

[Warrior Craess]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...


can't believe I'm responding to dragoon.... but here goes.

You know what, I really no longer care what you find insulting.  All you've done this entire thread is whine about how bad we are for asking, that optional DLC be created to allow more of us to fully enjoy the ending. 

His dictionary is broken right before the word selfish.

And apparently before the word optional. 

[VettoRyouzou]

Insulting him not helping, There a few members here who feed on the stuff dragoon does, ignoring him well.. does the job, if he can't debt he just stops.

[3DandBeyond]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Insulting him not helping, There a few members here who feed on the stuff dragoon does, ignoring him well.. does the job, if he can't debt he just stops.

Not insulting-he's called me selfish and seems to view optional as somehow taking things away from him.  I don't know why and he still won't answer that, but that's ok.  I am perfectly happy with him continuing to choose what he wants-I think he should show others the same respect and agree that if it was possible and agreeable to BW, that we might get something similar for us. 

But after the German-Jewish thing which I truly don't get, I think you are correct.  Ignore.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[Redbelle]

Reagarding Dragoons post, A BW script writer put it succintly.

"Here’s the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here’s the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them".

BW make games and they should know better than to make their players feel ineffectual as to how the game repsonds to our efforts and the way we, the player, shapes it's progress. Especially when we get to the climax.

Modifié par Redbelle, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[tholloway93]

this post reminds me of someone grovelling to an ex girlfriend to take them back; not sure why...

instead of a wall of text - its not gonna happen is all i gotta say really.

[3DandBeyond]

tholloway93 wrote...

this post reminds me of someone grovelling to an ex girlfriend to take them back; not sure why...

instead of a wall of text - its not gonna happen is all i gotta say really.

You may be right, but you may be wrong.  I may bet on one, but would still wish for the other.

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

Reagarding Dragoons post, A BW script writer put it succintly.

"Here’s the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here’s the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them".

BW make games and they should know better than to make their players feel ineffectual as to how the game repsonds to our efforts and the way we, the player, shapes it's progress. Especially when we get to the climax.

I'm still thinking that there are some there that understand this.  They created games that dared you to do things and find new ways and overcome obstacles, not just with guns and action, but with thoughts-you made gut level decisions sometimes and felt bad when you saw what happened, but you always felt you could ultimately effect the bigger picture even if you had to go back and do it again-and doing it over was fun.  You can re-do all 3 games and change very little except some slides and such-and you can't defeat the reapers on your terms, without capitulation of some sort.  ME was never about this.

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Geth and EDI living in mine. In fact everyone other than myself did. Galaxy was not ruined. You can stick to your morality but seems to me with your morality your not willing to stick to your morals when when you cannot get the perfect result. You have no proof Reapers mistreat or turn people to goo in control. Your bias is no better than Germany in WW2 and what they did during that yet you do not consider them monsters and assume they killing jewish people now do you? In my control ending I saw no evidence that the Reapers are still reaping and I can't see them apologising for what they were doing in the past. They aren't your buddies in control ending they are merely used as tools to fix the destruction of buildings, worlds etc.

Viewing synthetics as tools is half the problem with the organic vs synthetic conflict. Reapers gotta go, this is pretty clear after Leviathan.

[Xellith]

tholloway93 wrote...

this post reminds me of someone grovelling to an ex girlfriend to take them back; not sure why...

instead of a wall of text - its not gonna happen is all i gotta say really.

"this post" being the post I just quoted?  Im sure you meant "This thread"... figured I'd poke fun though

[Warrior Craess]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Geth and EDI living in mine. In fact everyone other than myself did. Galaxy was not ruined. You can stick to your morality but seems to me with your morality your not willing to stick to your morals when when you cannot get the perfect result. You have no proof Reapers mistreat or turn people to goo in control. Your bias is no better than Germany in WW2 and what they did during that yet you do not consider them monsters and assume they killing jewish people now do you? In my control ending I saw no evidence that the Reapers are still reaping and I can't see them apologising for what they were doing in the past. They aren't your buddies in control ending they are merely used as tools to fix the destruction of buildings, worlds etc.

Viewing synthetics as tools is half the problem with the organic vs synthetic conflict. Reapers gotta go, this is pretty clear after Leviathan.

it's part of his flawed logic.  He fails to see that it is like letting ted bundy be the security guard at your local school. That it dones't matter that nothing bad happened after (through thats the point that 3d is making, nothing bad happens after control, it's all bunnies and rainbows, and everyone just acepts that the reapers are suddenly good guys), what matters is that 0.1 second ago they were actively trying to kill us, either outright, or by making goo out of us, and creating another reaper. 

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Geth and EDI living in mine. In fact everyone other than myself did. Galaxy was not ruined. You can stick to your morality but seems to me with your morality your not willing to stick to your morals when when you cannot get the perfect result. You have no proof Reapers mistreat or turn people to goo in control. Your bias is no better than Germany in WW2 and what they did during that yet you do not consider them monsters and assume they killing jewish people now do you? In my control ending I saw no evidence that the Reapers are still reaping and I can't see them apologising for what they were doing in the past. They aren't your buddies in control ending they are merely used as tools to fix the destruction of buildings, worlds etc.

Viewing synthetics as tools is half the problem with the organic vs synthetic conflict. Reapers gotta go, this is pretty clear after Leviathan.

I don't think there's any more worry about Dragoonlordz posting-he PMed me with a nasty message and then blocked me before I could report it.  It's rather sad how he handled it but oh well.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:01 .

[plfranke]

3d is it really necessary to constantly go off on a poor me tangent every time you're in an argument?

Edit: lol I worded that very poorly just ignore this post it was meant differently

Modifié par plfranke, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[Warrior Craess]

well the down side of dragoon and Dreman not posting is the loss of lots of page bumps..

[Geneaux486]

Bioware did the right thing by releasing the Extended Cut. And then they did an awesome thing by releasing Leviathan. The ending is good, and thematically it fits the themes of sacrifice, choice, and victory against impossible odds that occur throughout all three games perfectly. Bioware has done right by their fans every step of the way. This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

[Tamayah]

Things will be much easier now if BW would of made it clear from the beginning...
- A Ending - Control (we know what will happened) + U Die
- B Ending - Synthesis (we know what will happened) + U Die
- C Ending - Destroy (confirm rather Die or Alive, even with the new EC they could of added a few more hints or an search n rescue operation and confirmed DOA, something. My gosh just leave Shepard hanging like that after sacrificing his/herself "destroying the reapers," with those creepy keepers just walking around [my assumption] trying not to rage a rant here)
- D Ending - Refusal (we know what happened) could be a good reason for future DLC's like Leviathan, The Indoctrination Theory and "IF" they do an Omega DLC.

Guessing my record is on replay LOL

[Iakus]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bioware did the right thing by releasing the Extended Cut. And then they did an awesome thing by releasing Leviathan. The ending is good, and thematically it fits the themes of sacrifice, choice, and victory against impossible odds that occur throughout all three games perfectly. Bioware has done right by their fans every step of the way. This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

That the wonderful thing:  This thread doesn't have to speak fro all fans.  It just has to speak fro a lot of fans.  The ones whom Bioware denied choice too, despite telling us our choices mattered.

The wonderful thing about having multiple endings is the ability to have a variety to choose from, all different.  But in this case, all the endings force the player down the dark path Bioware chose for us.

Go back to the ME1 and ME2 endings and tell me they're thematically similar.  You haqve your sad ending.  That's fine, i'm happy for you.  But I want one that's more representative of these two games.

[3DandBeyond]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bioware did the right thing by releasing the Extended Cut. And then they did an awesome thing by releasing Leviathan. The ending is good, and thematically it fits the themes of sacrifice, choice, and victory against impossible odds that occur throughout all three games perfectly. Bioware has done right by their fans every step of the way. This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

I never said it spoke for all fans and what lies did anyone tell here?  Did you even read a thing or did you just decide to post what you think has been said? 

[AresKeith]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bioware did the right thing by releasing the Extended Cut. And then they did an awesome thing by releasing Leviathan. The ending is good, and thematically it fits the themes of sacrifice, choice, and victory against impossible odds that occur throughout all three games perfectly. Bioware has done right by their fans every step of the way. This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

The ending doesn't fit the themes of Sacrifice because its forced Sacrifice, doesn't really fit choice because the endings themselves nullifies some of the choices you made in the series, the theme of victory against impossible odds is debatable. Bioware hasn't done right for all of their fans, and the rest of your comment is BS trying to bash people so I'll cross them out.

But thank you for the thread bump