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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Out of 15 people who played Mass Effect 3 that I personally know, all 15 said the endings were horrible, and that's 15/15. 16/16 if I include myself. Out of those 15 I'm the only one who is active on the forum. Granted that's not a statistically valid sample. It's anecdotal. All of them replayed with the EC, and repeated the same judgement. This is not good.

I agree with the OP on this. We are not asking for much. We've made peace with the fact that the main endings are going to remain the way they are. We've made peace with the fact that this is the end of Shepard's story arc. We've made peace with the fact that there were a lot of tough choices that had to be made during the war against the reapers. We really wish that Mac hadn't been so depressed, and you can hear it in his voice in the February interview, about the ending.

The player is left to do one of these things JUST TO END THE GAME:

* Totalitarianism -- Control
* Eugenics -- Synthesis
* Genocide -- Destroy
* Suicide -- this being the refuse ending which doesn't unlock the achievement and thus doesn't count as an added ending but rather is window dressing on "Critical Mission Failure" except you get a cut scene now.

Why?

I guess we can call this the TEGS ending.

The player works like crazy to gather all possible resources to defeat the reapers and we got the 1/4 second of breath in a pile of garbage as a reward because otherwise "it would have been too bleak", and then we were told it could have been Shepard's last breath by Chris Hepler and Chris Priestly. Funny. Very funny. I think the fans have a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Bioware broke my heart with this TEGS. I am not a child. I am not a teen. I am a grandmother.

Much of this is summed up in one conversation with Javik. Why do you fight, Shepard?

Without that reason there is nothing.

The anger of the community could easily be sated by fixing this one issue: let Shepard get out of the pile of garbage, call for an evac, and get rescued alive. And make sure it comes with the Chris Priestly and Chris Hepler gag order.

This way the LI holding the name plate implies the reunion actually does take place. This would have passed two months ago.

However at this point, implied isn't enough anymore. With all the jerking around we've gotten about this, Bioware's credibility is shot. We need to see it now. If DLC is made to add this content it would be worth some Microsoft points because it would make the game playable.

Rebuilding > Memorial > Get out of garbage + evac + rescue + reunion > credits.

This is the company that made "The Darkspawn Chronicles". This is the company where choices used to matter in their games.

NOTE: I don't care if "the endings are final" is the official stand of Bioware. Official stands can change. My "official stand" at this time is that I'm not buying another Bioware game until either an apology is issued for the mistreatment or something is done like a DLC is made to add this content it would be worth some Microsoft points because it would make the game playable.

NOTE II: To players who want to pick destroy and have Shepard die -- don't gather all the resources, and disconnect from the internet before you start the Cronos mission. It's that simple.

[AlanC9]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

[Ithurael]

Gogzilla wrote...

To sum it up "i don't like the endings, i am not the only one"
Can i haz return of the jedi ending plz

Any one of a differnt opnnion should be ignored right.

Dude! Return of the Jedi was a let down man! Ewoks!?! Hayden Christianson in spirit form and not the other guy (in the remastered versions) - how would luke even know that was his dad? Too much cuteness over what really would happen. How did ewoks beat the empire's best troops (a legion of them) with stones?

Return of the Jedi did have great moments though...the inner turmoil of vader, the near fall of luke and almost saintly victory against the emporer. I still get chills durng the scene where the emporer tries to tempt luke during the final battle.

But still - these kinds of responses don't help that much.

[davepissedatending]

Yea I agree its a good read LISTEN BIOWARE

[dreman9999]

Warrior Craess wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You missed my point. If I can beat the reapers by getting assiiets only from morily bad choices and I can beat the reapers getting assiets only form morily good chioces ...What does that mean?

if thats all that you get out of ME, it means you should have chosen the no dialog option, and stuck with playing a FPS.

Thankfull that option still exists for you. 


Now how about an option that allows for those of us that played it for the interpretation?

That's not what I mean in any way. My point is their is more then one way to get the assiets need to beat the reapers...not including the mp.
Nothing I stated mean the game has to be linear to get them to  beat the reapers...In fact it means the game is not linear.

I'LL ask agein...
If I can beat the reapers by getting assiets only from morily bad choices and I can beat the reapers getting assiets only form morily good chioces ...What does that mean?


Aka, If I can beat the reapers with assiets I get in any way I want, what does that mean?

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 06:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

plfranke wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Here's my plea to Bioware.

Do not do any more ending DLC, all remaining DLC should be for those who enjoy the game not spending all your time and money trying to please people who still hate it after EC. I do not want a pew pew fight with Harbinger and conventional victory is a big NO. Refuse ending should always equal loss not win.

Thanks

Lucky me, it looks like Bioware agree's with me.

I said it before and will say it again, Bioware make games they want to make and hope you enjoy them. This does not equal you have to enjoy everything they make and they are not required to fulfill your every desire in every title they make.

I just love how you've been trying to bash people's threads lately

Sadly these are the people that Bioware is giving in to.

I have been a member of this community longer than many of people in this thread, bought as much and been a fan as long as many if not more than many of people here so why should they not listen to me anymore than listen to you? Do not confuse getting my way this time around to always getting what I want. ME2 other people your side maybe got what you wanted, ME3 I got what I wanted for the most part (even if not in total as ME3 still has many things I do not like but the ending is not one of them). You do not reserve the right to get everything you want all of the time, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with the fact you did not get your way every now and again.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 août 2012 - 06:28 .

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

You probably won't hear that argument at the shareholder meeting.

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Out of 15 people who played Mass Effect 3 that I personally know, all 15 said the endings were horrible, and that's 15/15. 16/16 if I include myself. Out of those 15 I'm the only one who is active on the forum. Granted that's not a statistically valid sample. It's anecdotal. All of them replayed with the EC, and repeated the same judgement. This is not good.

I agree with the OP on this. We are not asking for much. We've made peace with the fact that the main endings are going to remain the way they are. We've made peace with the fact that this is the end of Shepard's story arc. We've made peace with the fact that there were a lot of tough choices that had to be made during the war against the reapers. We really wish that Mac hadn't been so depressed, and you can hear it in his voice in the February interview, about the ending.

The player is left to do one of these things JUST TO END THE GAME:

* Totalitarianism -- Control
* Eugenics -- Synthesis
* Genocide -- Destroy
* Suicide -- this being the refuse ending which doesn't unlock the achievement and thus doesn't count as an added ending but rather is window dressing on "Critical Mission Failure" except you get a cut scene now.

Why?

I guess we can call this the TEGS ending.

The player works like crazy to gather all possible resources to defeat the reapers and we got the 1/4 second of breath in a pile of garbage as a reward because otherwise "it would have been too bleak", and then we were told it could have been Shepard's last breath by Chris Hepler and Chris Priestly. Funny. Very funny. I think the fans have a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Bioware broke my heart with this TEGS. I am not a child. I am not a teen. I am a grandmother.

Much of this is summed up in one conversation with Javik. Why do you fight, Shepard?

Without that reason there is nothing.

The anger of the community could easily be sated by fixing this one issue: let Shepard get out of the pile of garbage, call for an evac, and get rescued alive. And make sure it comes with the Chris Priestly and Chris Hepler gag order.

This way the LI holding the name plate implies the reunion actually does take place. This would have passed two months ago.

However at this point, implied isn't enough anymore. With all the jerking around we've gotten about this, Bioware's credibility is shot. We need to see it now. If DLC is made to add this content it would be worth some Microsoft points because it would make the game playable.

Rebuilding > Memorial > Get out of garbage + evac + rescue + reunion > credits.

This is the company that made "The Darkspawn Chronicles". This is the company where choices used to matter in their games.

NOTE: I don't care if "the endings are final" is the official stand of Bioware. Official stands can change. My "official stand" at this time is that I'm not buying another Bioware game until either an apology is issued for the mistreatment or something is done like a DLC is made to add this content it would be worth some Microsoft points because it would make the game playable.

NOTE II: To players who want to pick destroy and have Shepard die -- don't gather all the resources, and disconnect from the internet before you start the Cronos mission. It's that simple.

The game was always advertized that your going to make hard choices beat the enemy...

How is it ageint the theme of ME if the ending choice do thesame thing as advertized.

[Fiannawolf]

Brava, nothing more needs to be said OP. At this point all Im really hoping for is emotional closure....someone find my Shepard in that rubble...Ill even take Conrad Verner or some Random C Sec dude digging me out....or any NPC for that matter....

[plfranke]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Here's my plea to Bioware.

Do not do any more ending DLC, all remaining DLC should be for those who enjoy the game not spending all your time and money trying to please people who still hate it after EC. I do not want a pew pew fight with Harbinger and conventional victory is a big NO. Refuse ending should always equal loss not win.

Thanks

Lucky me, it looks like Bioware agree's with me.

I said it before and will say it again, Bioware make games they want to make and hope you enjoy them. This does not equal you have to enjoy everything they make and they are not required to fulfill your every desire in every title they make.

I just love how you've been trying to bash people's threads lately

Sadly these are the people that Bioware is giving in to.

I have been a member of this community longer than many of people in this thread, bought as much and been a fan as long as many if not more than many of people here so why should they not listen to me anymore than listen to you? Do not confuse getting my way this time around to always getting what I want. ME2 other people your side maybe got what you wanted, ME3 I got what I wanted for the most part (even if not in total as ME3 still has many things I do not like but the ending is not one of them). You do not reserve the right to get everything you want all of the time, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with the fact you did not get your way every now and again.

I also reserve the right to voice my complaints over being lied to about what the game would have and criticize a horrible job done on a game. That's something you seem to not understand.

[AlanC9]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

NOTE: I don't care if "the endings are final" is the official stand of Bioware. 

Hey, you don't have to worry about that. There's nothing in your proposal that's an impossible or even a very unusual interpretation of the existing ending, so what you're proposing isn't a change in the first place, any more than Destroy was a change to the original "Critical Mission Failure" for not using the Crucible.

[Ieldra]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@3DAndBeyond:
While I feel with you and regret that you cannot take anything satisfying away from the ME series any more, and as a rule I'm always open to new options, I cannot support your plea. Why? Because what you want is an ending with no downside. No, I am not against those as a rule, but in this case, the ending you want would be perceived as canon and immediately invalidate all others in the eyes of a majority. It would unbalance the whole scenario and I know I would dislike that as much as I did the original endings.

What would you want to sacrifice to make this new option balanced with the others?

What is it with this fixation on death and destruction? I'm aware it's a war but it seems like many people here and at Bioware live very comfortable lives in suburbia where something dark and depressing is meaningful where as something good isn't.

At any rate I always assumed the final choice would come down to sacrificing Earth or the Citadel where important characters, factions, current and former squadmates, plus billions of people,  would be split evenly amongst the two.

Sacrificing Earth would certainly be meaningful. But in the end it's no different from sacrificing the geth, and 3DandBeyond wants an ending without that.

But while I'm at it: I've always thought that the destruction of the relays would be thematically appropriate for Destroy. So I'd find replacing the death of the geth with the destruction of the relays in all Destroy endings appropriate. But I get the feeling neither do people want that. So what would you all accept as "the" sacrifice for this new option - and it should be more than the war does anyway in all endings, or it would unbalance the scenario.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Here's my plea to Bioware.

Do not do any more ending DLC, all remaining DLC should be for those who enjoy the game not spending all your time and money trying to please people who still hate it after EC. I do not want a pew pew fight with Harbinger and conventional victory is a big NO. Refuse ending should always equal loss not win.

Thanks

Lucky me, it looks like Bioware agree's with me.

I said it before and will say it again, Bioware make games they want to make and hope you enjoy them. This does not equal you have to enjoy everything they make and they are not required to fulfill your every desire in every title they make.

I just love how you've been trying to bash people's threads lately

I mentioned no person in my response. I mentioned nothing about the OP, I gave my version of what I wanted in contrast what you and others want. But keep believing what you wish, if you create a thread on a public forum do not whine when others take part in it who have a different opinion.

I'm all for people posting their opinion, but your comment looks the exact opposite

[Koranis.W]

What's wrong with you people?

By asking an additional ending he's not speaking for the entire community, he's speaking for himself and for people who agree with him, people like me. An additional ending would not ruin anything for those who actually find the current endings satisfactory. Please, try to understand it.

I'm one of those who really feel that there is no point in playing this game anymore. What's the point if whatever I do I get always those 4 sad endings? I don't have a "happy" life, unfortunately, so if I want to depress myself I just go back to the real life.

In this game, I want to send the stupid brat to hell and try my chances on my own. And let's see if my war assets allow me to vanquish those sonsof****es or not.

What the hell is wrong with that?

I know that the first DLC I will buy from Bioware is the one that adds such an ending. Afterwards I will buy the rest of them to be sure I have them all.

[Xellith]

plfranke wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is this a bad argurment? You can beat the reapers with just war asseists form moraly bad choices. Same with the asseist form moraly good choice.
There is nothing wrong with my point.

I've never met someone here before that I literally thought wasn't worth my time to speak to or even acknowledge. You dreman have become the first. Good day to you.

Dont mind me. Just fixing a quote train.

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

You probably won't hear that argument at the shareholder meeting.

But that was how it was advertized form day one...


"Many hard choices, none of them easy."

[AlanC9]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

You probably won't hear that argument at the shareholder meeting.

Nope.

But I thought that sort of thinking was the problem with Bio/EA. Now it's the solution?

[dreman9999]

plfranke wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is this a bad argurment? You can beat the reapers with just war asseists form moraly bad choices. Same with the asseist form moraly good choice.
There is nothing wrong with my point.

I've never met someone here before that I literally thought wasn't worth my time to speak to or even acknowledge. You dreman have become the first. Good day to you.

If you can't state how my argument is bad. Don't say anything.

[LadyWench]

dreman9999 wrote...
 It was never stted or evern pointed to that convention victory was possible. If fact it was stated it was notpassible in ME1 by Virgil.  If fact, their is nothing wrong with betting the reapersin an unconvertional way, why is that an issue? What was stated that the reapers can't be stopped and we stopped them any way, why does it matter that itwas not in a conventional way?
Whay does it have to be a conventional way?

Everyone has always told Shepard in every game something can't be done, then he/she comes back and proves them wrong. THAT was how I assumed that conventional victory might be possible.

So, I guess you already knew about the Crucible all the way back in ME1? I didn't realize that the real reason Shep was trying to warn the Council in ME1 that the Reapers were a real threat so that they would start building defenses early, then joined Cerberus to defeat the Collectors (and therefore not only stop the attack on humans, but to take an important tool away from the Reapers) in ME2, and was forging alliances and building up war assest until the end of ME3 was ACTUALLY because he/she was secretly hoping that a plot-miracle kill switch would show up that would render all of those previous efforts moot. My bad.

But I digress. Sincere apologies to OP. This topic got off track and I was baited into another conversation altogether that has nothing to do with this thread. But because I truly believe that the ME fanbase is NOT a pack of whiners and can have disagreements, but still be rational, polite, constructive, and agree to disagree, I am ending this sidetrack. Sorry again, everyone. <3

Modifié par LadyWench, 30 août 2012 - 06:38 .

[Dragoonlordz]

plfranke wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Here's my plea to Bioware.

Do not do any more ending DLC, all remaining DLC should be for those who enjoy the game not spending all your time and money trying to please people who still hate it after EC. I do not want a pew pew fight with Harbinger and conventional victory is a big NO. Refuse ending should always equal loss not win.

Thanks

Lucky me, it looks like Bioware agree's with me.

I said it before and will say it again, Bioware make games they want to make and hope you enjoy them. This does not equal you have to enjoy everything they make and they are not required to fulfill your every desire in every title they make.

I just love how you've been trying to bash people's threads lately

Sadly these are the people that Bioware is giving in to.

I have been a member of this community longer than many of people in this thread, bought as much and been a fan as long as many if not more than many of people here so why should they not listen to me anymore than listen to you? Do not confuse getting my way this time around to always getting what I want. ME2 other people your side maybe got what you wanted, ME3 I got what I wanted for the most part (even if not in total as ME3 still has many things I do not like but the ending is not one of them). You do not reserve the right to get everything you want all of the time, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with the fact you did not get your way every now and again.

I also reserve the right to voice my complaints over being lied to about what the game would have and criticize a horrible job done on a game. That's something you seem to not understand.

Your point does not exist. I never said you could not whine about what did not like, I question reasons for the whining sometimes but not your right to do so. I never mentioned it as a subject in the first place of which you base your reply on which in itself makes no sense and 100% irrelevant to what I said. I gave my opinion, what I wanted in contrast to the OP. Ares as always whines about me and someone implied that I got what I wanted this time. I explained why shouldn't I get what I want and then you rant about something that makes no sense in reply to what I said.

[dreman9999]

plfranke wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Here's my plea to Bioware.

Do not do any more ending DLC, all remaining DLC should be for those who enjoy the game not spending all your time and money trying to please people who still hate it after EC. I do not want a pew pew fight with Harbinger and conventional victory is a big NO. Refuse ending should always equal loss not win.

Thanks

Lucky me, it looks like Bioware agree's with me.

I said it before and will say it again, Bioware make games they want to make and hope you enjoy them. This does not equal you have to enjoy everything they make and they are not required to fulfill your every desire in every title they make.

I just love how you've been trying to bash people's threads lately

Sadly these are the people that Bioware is giving in to.

I have been a member of this community longer than many of people in this thread, bought as much and been a fan as long as many if not more than many of people here so why should they not listen to me anymore than listen to you? Do not confuse getting my way this time around to always getting what I want. ME2 other people your side maybe got what you wanted, ME3 I got what I wanted for the most part (even if not in total as ME3 still has many things I do not like but the ending is not one of them). You do not reserve the right to get everything you want all of the time, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with the fact you did not get your way every now and again.

I also reserve the right to voice my complaints over being lied to about what the game would have and criticize a horrible job done on a game. That's something you seem to not understand.

...Did you miss this?

[Ithurael]

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

Or...

we could have an ending where we don't compromise with the leader of the reapers? PLs Maybe one where we actually can beat them without compromise? use crucible to send a blast that destroys citadel disabling the reapers (as the starkid was the hub of their intelligence). Why not that? Or a blast of dark energy that blows up the ciadel and causes the reaper dark energy core to hyper expand or overload or something?

In all endings we find a new solution to his problem of organics being destroyed by synthetics. No matter what. You can argue Destroy stops this dead but then why are the geth destroyed? they are syntheic (by the starkids definition they will destroy all organic life and must be killed to preserve organic life a little bit longer)

The reapers were the first solution. Then you and starkid have to find a new solution that replaces the reapers. Personally destroy makes the most sense to me but next to no sense in some cases. How did the red explosion know how to destroy the reapers as they were synthetic and organic (50/50) mix? If someone chose synthesis, would that make the reapers 75% organic and 25% synthetic (as they are already 50/50)? Why pick control when you just spent an entire game opposing TIM on this very subject?

I still shoot the tube...it is as good as it gets I suppose.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

The point of this thread is a plea to BioWare to give players a choice that is not morally repulsive and that doesn't rob a number of devoted players of an opportunity to prevail with dignity, along with your friends.  

Yep. And as I read dreman's posts, he's standing up for the irony and moral ambiguity of the existing endings.

Not everyone likes that sort of thing, obviously. Well....... it might be that Bio doesn't want you as customers.

You probably won't hear that argument at the shareholder meeting.

Nope.

But I thought that sort of thinking was the problem with Bio/EA. Now it's the solution?

no, but trying to push away customers is not a good thing business wise

[AlanC9]

Ieldra2 wrote...

But while I'm at it: I've always thought that the destruction of the relays would be thematically appropriate for Destroy. So I'd find replacing the death of the geth with the destruction of the relays in all Destroy endings appropriate. But I get the feeling neither do people want that. So what would you all accept as "the" sacrifice for this new option - and it should be more than the war does anyway in all endings, or it would unbalance the scenario.

I thought unbalancing the scenario was the whole point of the proposal.

[Jadebaby]

Chardonney wrote...

I fully agree with the OP. Listen BioWare, for once. One voice represents many.