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[Warrior Craess]

Geneaux486 wrote...

we will avoid acting like condescending pricks if you can avoid insulting us in your very first post. Being called a liar doesn't really sit well with many of us.

 
First of all, I don't feel like sifting through your post to figure out which of your points responds to which of my points.  I organize mine in a point-by-point response format, you can do it to.  Secondly, I didn't insult anyone in my first post.  If you haven't been lying about the ending, then I wasn't talking to you.  If you have been lying, then I was simply being honest.  In neither case should you feel insulted

 Shepard and Leviathan did not create the crucible plans. So, who did?

Well it was either the Catalyst or one or more of the trillions of other sentient beings that have existed through time.  Since the Catalyst is stated to have barely known about the thing, pretty safe bet it wasn't him.

It also says that the Galaxy is its experiment and we all know that its Synthesis. Plus the Catalyst knows about the Crucible, and it calls it a power source. For something that doesn't have anything to do with it he sure knows alot about it

Actually he knows about as much as any advanced AI construct that wasn't invovled in the thing's creation process.  The galaxy is its experiment, yes, the end result being a cycle in which the inhabitants have created a solution superior to the Reaper solution and made it possible.  Subtext, mang.

it would be easier for you, if you would simply reply to one person at a time, rather than take snipets of conversation from multiple sources.

For example, there are at least two posters that you are replying to in the above quote. 

[3DandBeyond]

Geneaux486 wrote...

 Shepard and Leviathan did not create the crucible plans. So, who did?

Well it was either the Catalyst or one or more of the trillions of other sentient beings that have existed through time.  Since the Catalyst is stated to have barely known about the thing, pretty safe bet it wasn't him.

Not an answer and not my full explanation as to why no other sentient being could possibly have created the plans.  The Protheans did not know about the kid, so no one before them knew about him either.  And the catalyst did not say he barely knew about it-he said he had been aware of its existence and thought it was gone (to paraphrase).  He didn't actually answer the specific question.  And the catalyst may have created it-you think so, yourself.  That means the choices are questionable at best and not to be trusted.  And, they all are geared to solving the catalyst's goal and not Shepard's.

The goal of 3 games was to destroy the reapers.
The goal at the end of ME3-solve the catalyst's problem, the synthetics vs. organics, killer robots problem.

[Geneaux486]

Xellith wrote...
So basically you admit you never even read the OPs first post?  k

My previous statement is no more an admission of that than your response is an admission that you once open-mouth kissed a horse.

it would be easier for you, if you would simply reply to one person at a time, rather than take snipets of conversation from multiple sources.

In other words, one post for each person I'm replying to?  That's not easier than putting them all in the same thread, that's objectively more complicated.

For example, there are at least two posters that you are replying to in the above quote.

 
Only two?  I hope I didn't miss someone.

And the catalyst may have created it-you think so, yourself.

 
The Catalyst admitted that he had nothing to do with the thing's creation.  He thought it was eradicated.

That means the choices are questionable at best and not to be trusted. And, they all are geared to solving the catalyst's goal and not Shepard's.

They're geared towards solving everyone's problems, and, and yes, I'm metagaming here, they do, in fact, solve everyone's problems.

The goal of 3 games was to destroy the reapers.

My Shepard's goal was to save everyone.  I fulfilled that completely.  In fact, we get the chance to state Shepard's goals in numerous dialogue choices throughout the three games.  Everyone's got a different motive.  If yours was to destroy the Reapers, then destroy them.  If you wanted to save everyone, choose control or synthesis.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[AresKeith]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Actually he knows about as much as any advanced AI construct that wasn't invovled in the thing's creation process.  The galaxy is its experiment, yes, the end result being a cycle in which the inhabitants have created a solution superior to the Reaper solution and made it possible.  Subtext, mang.

um no that's not subtext, because he tells you about the two "temporary" solutions and his main solution that is his idea Synthesis. He calls the Crucible a power source because it gives him what he needs to do Synthesis sucessful.

[Warrior Craess]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Xellith wrote...
So basically you admit you never even read the OPs first post?  k

My previous statement is no more an admission of that than your response is an admission that you once open-mouth kissed a horse.

it would be easier for you, if you would simply reply to one person at a time, rather than take snipets of conversation from multiple sources.

In other words, one post for each person I'm replying to?  That's not easier than putting them all in the same thread, that's objectively more complicated.

For example, there are at least two posters that you are replying to in the above quote.

 
Only two?  I hope I didn't miss someone.

Since you can not seem to follow the various thread of your own conversations it's obviously not more complicated to reply to a single person at a time. Or maybe you've forgotten that in your first post to this topic that you called the anti-enders liars? 

Regardless, your really proving yourself to be the exact same type of pro-ender that has responded to this topic from the begining.  You seem hell bent on making us conform to your understand of the game, and to your desires for the endings. 

We accept neither option. 

[Geneaux486]

AresKeith wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Actually he knows about as much as any advanced AI construct that wasn't invovled in the thing's creation process.  The galaxy is its experiment, yes, the end result being a cycle in which the inhabitants have created a solution superior to the Reaper solution and made it possible.  Subtext, mang.

um no that's not subtext, because he tells you about the two "temporary" solutions and his main solution that is his idea Synthesis. He calls the Crucible a power source because it gives him what he needs to do Synthesis sucessful.

Evolution is its tool, and it's looking for something.  Each cycle comes a little bit closer to perfecting the Crucible, which stops the Reapers and solves the problem of the rift between synthetics and organics.  Evolution.  In this case evolution on a galactic scale.  I actually suspected as early as the first game that the Reapers were waiting for a cycle strong enough to resist them, at which point they would surrender and cooperate.  As early as the first game we saw the signs, the Protheans surviving in the dozens to throw a small wrench in the Reapers plans, the modern day races delaying the cycle completely, it's all there, and in my opinion, it was deliberate foreshadowing for the Catalyst's (at the time just the Reapers') admission that its methods were no longer valid.

Since you can not seem to follow the various thread of your own conversations it's obviously not more complicated to reply to a single person at a time. Or maybe you've forgotten that in your first post to this topic that you called the anti-enders liars?

 
I called the anti-enders who lie liars.  If you're taking offense to that, well, what does it say about you?  HMM!?

Regardless, your really proving yourself to be the exact same type of pro-ender that has responded to this topic from the begining. You seem hell bent on making us conform to your understand of the game, and to your desires for the endings.

 
No, I formulate my opinion on the endings based on what actually happens in the endings, as opposed to what doesn't happen in the endings.  Not everyone in this thread can say the same thing honestly.

we accept neither option

Considering I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything, that means nothing to me.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[3DandBeyond]

I think, once again this is just derailment of the thread, purposely. It's irrelevant if this person likes the endings or not-they exist and I'm not asking to change that. If he thinks it's just great to force his will on the galaxy and do things they wouldn't want then so be it. That's his opinion. Mine is in disgreement and I'm not asking to have his choices be invalidated. He can keep them and play them again and again and he should be happy. He does not sound happy to me.

Why so sad and angry Geneaux486? I don't want to take anything away from you at all.  That's actually rhetorical, no need to answer.

Moving on, my request is for Bioware to take another look and consider adding to the endings-one ending, a way forward for those of us that want it and would pay for it.  A way to possibly achieve a real victory that does not require we choose to kill people (a whole race) and a friend (EDI) and that allows Shepard to come home-that would bring Shepard up out of the rubble.  Yes, it could also include a real death for Shepard as the downside, a true sacrifice.  And I do also wish that further you might consider showing the true consequences of all this-this Shepard lives ending.  I believe that such an aftermath would be a great epilog to the story and show how far the galaxy came, how close to being destroyed. It might also show that people at last would be free from reaper infection (internal and external) and they could forge their own future.  I think this would be uplifting.  I also think that it would appeal to a lot of people.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[Tamayah]

iakus wrote...

Bunanah wrote...

iakus wrote...

Bunanah wrote...

- C Ending - Destroy (confirm rather Die or Alive, even with the new EC they could of added a few more hints or an search n rescue operation and confirmed DOA, something. My gosh just leave Shepard hanging like that after sacrificing his/herself "destroying the reapers," with those creepy keepers just walking around [my assumption] trying not to rage a rant here)

Wait, you wanted the Expanded Cut to add Clarity and Closure to the endings?  

How ridiculous!  

well give me something else  

Believe me. I'm laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside...

EC promised clarity and closure, but Destroy+ got squat.  We were totally screwed.

I know right 

[Geneaux486]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I think, once again this is just derailment of the thread, purposely.

And, once again, you're wrong. 

If he thinks it's just great to force his will on the galaxy and do things they wouldn't want then so be it. That's his opinion.

Your assesment of my opinion is terrible.  And inaccurate.  Both based on what I've said I support and what actually happens in the game. 

Mine is in disgreement and I'm not asking to have his choices be invalidated. He can keep them and play them again and again and he should be happy.

Generally speaking my happiness isn't dependant on video games.  They can add in an ending where Shepard destroys the Reapers, spares the synthetics, and changes nothing about the galaxy, and I won't be unhappy.  I'd simply point out how it defeats the purpose of having a choice in the end by creating an objectively perfect choice and therefore invalidating the choices where something has to be sacrificed.  You're seeing certain emotions in my post where there are none.  My responses to this thread aren't emotionally driven beyond the fact that I enjoy discussing the game, especially with people who disagree with me.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[AresKeith]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Evolution is its tool, and it's looking for something.  Each cycle comes a little bit closer to perfecting the Crucible, which stops the Reapers and solves the problem of the rift between synthetics and organics.  Evolution.  In this case evolution on a galactic scale.  I actually suspected as early as the first game that the Reapers were waiting for a cycle strong enough to resist them, at which point they would surrender and cooperate.  As early as the first game we saw the signs, the Protheans surviving in the dozens to throw a small wrench in the Reapers plans, the modern day races delaying the cycle completely, it's all there, and in my opinion, it was deliberate foreshadowing for the Catalyst's (at the time just the Reapers') admission that its methods were no longer valid.

The first line I bolded, I know your making that up since Sovereign basically talked about killing organics and hinted at nothing.

And for the Protheans surviving that harvest but ended up dying anyway, thats the same boat as the Leviathans some of the was able to escape the Harvest, so what you said doesn't mean anything.

The last line I bolded, that is also headcanon because there was no foreshadow to the Catalyst or someone controlling the Reapers, Sovereigns words "We are each a nation, Independent"


This Exchange is over

Modifié par AresKeith, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[3DandBeyond]

Geneaux486 wrote...

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Generally speaking my happiness isn't dependant on video games.  They can add in an ending where Shepard destroys the Reapers, spares the synthetics, and changes nothing about the galaxy, and I won't be unhappy.  I'd simply point out how it defeats the purpose of having a choice in the end by creating an objectively perfect choice and therefore invalidating the choices where something has to be sacrificed. 

Yet you seem singularly unhappy and bitter.  You should be satisfied then with what you have-you certainly knew what I meant but I understand you have to be extremely precise with anyone who won't read and merely likes to start arguments.

Apparently though you think it's necessary to deny others the chance to ask for what they'd like.  If it isn't in your game, how would it hurt you?  You didn't read my OP.  So please stop proving that.  I've requested optional at cost additions to the game-explain how that ruins your game and defeats anything within it when you'd never have to see it.

And please explain how ending a war with choices offered by your enemy is a victory when each choice fundamentally invades and invalidates what makes life worth living?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Geneaux486]

The first line I bolded, I know your making that up since Sovereign basically talked about killing organics and hinted at nothing.

And the following line, the one you didn't bold, explained the evidence behind that thought process and gave my statement credibility. Good job every media outlet ever.

And for the Protheans surviving that harvest but ended up dying anyway, thats the same boat as the Leviathans some of the was able to escape the Harvest, so what you said doesn't mean anything.

It means exactly what I say it means, that each cycle does progressively better against the Reapers, and that maybe, just maybe, that's what the Reapers were waiting for.

The last line I bolded, that is also headcanon because there was no foreshadow to the Catalyst or someone controlling the Reapers, Sovereigns words "We are each a nation, Independent"

I like how you take the statement that follows "In my opinion," and call special attention to it not being fact. It wasn't a secret.

Apparently though you think it's necessary to deny others the chance to ask for what they'd like.

 
That's the exact opposite of apparent, since I've never said I wanted to deny anyone of anything of the sort.  I'm expressing my opinions, same as everyone else here.

If it isn't in your game, how would it hurt you?

 
Why does something have to hurt me before I can talk about it?

You didn't read my OP.

 
I totally read your OP before I posted anything in your thread.

I've requested optional at cost additions to the game-explain how that ruins your game and defeats anything within it when you'd never have to see it.

When did I say it would ruin my game?  I'm arguing that it would be a waste of time on Bioware's part, mostly because it would be.  We already know they can't satisfy everyone, so for them to try to make brand new endings that not only don't contradict the plot, but adress everyone's individual wishes, AND ask already angry fans to pay for it?  All I'm saying is that I think it would blow up in their faces. 

And please explain how ending a war with choices offered by your enemy is a victory when each choice fundamentally invades and invalidates what makes life worth living?

Choices offered by the Crucible, designed by organics*

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:23 .

[3DandBeyond]

@Geneaux486, you are free to post here. I'm going to respectfully ask that you don't. You quote people out of context, using small snippets of what they've said, you won't say who you're quoting, you did not read my OP, and are just arguing.

I am sure you have better things to do. You have the game you wanted-this thread is not directed at you or to you. Again, you can post, but I don't know why you need to.

[Geneaux486]

3DandBeyond wrote...

@Geneaux486, you are free to post here. I'm going to respectfully ask that you don't.

You're not respectfully asking me anything.
 

You quote people out of context,

I don't.   I have, however, been quoted out of context myself, and I don't see you calling out those people.

using small snippets of what they've said,

Yeah, because each portion gets its own reply. 

you won't say who you're quoting,

I assume people remember the things they've said.

you did not read my OP,

Yes I did. 

and are just arguing.

That is one of many things I'm doing.  Also there's no such thing as a one person argument.

I am sure you have better things to do.

You can't claim to be respectful of someone then patronize them.

Again, you can post, but I don't know why you need to.

It's not terribly complicated.  I posted my opinion in what came off as an open letter from the fans, which I'm free to do.  People responded to me specifically, so I responded to them, and the conversation ball has been rolling back and forth ever since.  If you don't want to talk to me, don't talk to me, it won't hurt my feelings. 
I will honor your request that I not continue to post here so long as nobody here says something directed at me, at which point I will do the polite thing and respond to them.  That's more than I owe you.  Which is nothing.  Because I broke no rules.  Basically you made a big scene here, and singled me out because my opinion disagrees with yours.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[3DandBeyond]

Never said you broke any rules and never implied you did. I merely asked you nicely to stop arguing or posting if you were just going to argue.

This thread is about asking for additional content from BW and not specifically about the endings, but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it. That is argumentative for the sake of being so.

[Geneaux486]

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[Kel Riever]

Geneaux486 wrote...

... it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Hey, well, I agree with it, and so there

[3DandBeyond]

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

[Warrior Craess]

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Because blanket statements are not actually meant to cover everyone.

This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

I'm a fairly smart person. I can read the implication of your words. Let me remove the negatives for you so that you can understand what your actually saying. 

This thread does not speak for all fans, as not all fans accept the bull**** anti-ender hyperbole that in most cases outright lies about what happens in the ending. That is all.

So by your statement anyone that supports this thread supports the anti-ender hyperbole that lies about the ending.  

Again thank you for insulting us with your very first post on this topic. Why should we listen to anything you have to say if this is your view about us?  If you want to engange in healthy debate about what you felt the endings were compared to what we felt they were, I'm sure people would actually enjoy that.. However thats not what you've done. It's been "I'm right, your wrong" from the initial post with you. 

Modifié par Warrior Craess, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

Clearly it is not the right thing to do when time and time again other 'fans' come in and say they think that it would be the wrong thing to do. The fact you keep telling those people to leave suggests to me personally that the only people you want in this thread is the people who agree with you but this is a community forum where fans of all types express and discuss other fans ideas. For some reason you take offense when it is not in agreement. Gen was not flaming, he posed a different opinion on the right thing to do and got ganged up on then told to leave when you or others could not defeat his logic and reasoning. The trying to imply he would be banned or even should be for having a different opinion is a very low route to take by you.

[plfranke]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

You know, I've never been to a Synthesis support thread, reason being, I find the idea repulsive. So, I don't understand why these people feel the need to constantly come to your thread if they don't agree with what you're saying. Though, truthfully, less than half of the ones arguing with you even understood what the OP was about.

[plfranke]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

Clearly it is not the right thing to do when time and time again other 'fans' come in and say they think that it would be the wrong thing to do. The fact you keep telling those people to leave suggests to me personally that the only people you want in this thread is the people who agree with you but this is a community forum where fans of all types express and discuss other fans ideas. For some reason you take offense when it is not in agreement. Gen was not flaming, he posed a different opinion on the right thing to do and got ganged up on then told to leave when you or others could not defeat his logic and reasoning. The trying to imply he would be banned or even should be for having a different opinion is a very low route to take by you.

But it's like just you dreman and this gen guy. Then there was that one guy saying the nanites caused synthesis. It's probably less than 10 of you and none of you really have any good arguments. You by far post the best arguments but even much of what you say is questionable.

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

Clearly it is not the right thing to do when time and time again other 'fans' come in and say they think that it would be the wrong thing to do. The fact you keep telling those people to leave suggests to me personally that the only people you want in this thread is the people who agree with you but this is a community forum where fans of all types express and discuss other fans ideas. For some reason you take offense when it is not in agreement. Gen was not flaming, he posed a different opinion on the right thing to do and got ganged up on then told to leave when you or others could not defeat his logic and reasoning. The trying to imply he would be banned or even should be for having a different opinion is a very low route to take by you.

And yet more people have expressed support of this topic than have expressed a lack of support. based on that simple to verify information I could assume that anti-enders still out number the pro-enders. I won't though, I'll simply say that based on posts about the OP there is more support for optional DLC than there is opposition. 

No he didn't voice an opinion, he stated "fact", when there is nothing factual about anyones opinion of the endings. He got ganged up of for being dismissive about our request, when to date no one has been able to provide a valid reason why optional, paid for DLC would ruin their gaming experience. Or waste biowares time. 

Modifié par Warrior Craess, 03 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[Dragoonlordz]

plfranke wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

but calling us liars in your first post here is not the most pleasant way to start a discussion and you know it.

I do know that, which is why I didn't call everyone liars.  Like I've said at least twice before, if you didn't lie, then I wasn't referring to you.  For someone who seems to take issue with statements being taken out of context, you're quick to do it yourself.  Furthermore, this thread isn't simply a request for additional content, it's a statement claiming that additional content is the "right" thing to do, which I disagree with, therefore I expressed that.

Your opinion and I expressed mine.  The point was using that term was meant to be argumentative.  I can imagine the crapstorm I'd get if I went into a pro-synthesis thread and said that it would be great if there weren't so many (choose your defamatory term)s who liked synthesis.  Oh, but I could just walk it back and say I wasn't calling all of them that name.  You know what you did and you did it on purpose to incite and inflame.  I've modded forums before for game sites and for game devs, and that kind of stuff happens all the time and is often bannable.

Clearly it is not the right thing to do when time and time again other 'fans' come in and say they think that it would be the wrong thing to do. The fact you keep telling those people to leave suggests to me personally that the only people you want in this thread is the people who agree with you but this is a community forum where fans of all types express and discuss other fans ideas. For some reason you take offense when it is not in agreement. Gen was not flaming, he posed a different opinion on the right thing to do and got ganged up on then told to leave when you or others could not defeat his logic and reasoning. The trying to imply he would be banned or even should be for having a different opinion is a very low route to take by you.

But it's like just you dreman and this gen guy. Then there was that one guy saying the nanites caused synthesis. It's probably less than 10 of you and none of you really have any good arguments. You by far post the best arguments but even much of what you say is questionable.

There has only been like few dozen people who have come in and supported the OP's stance, so about 10 people coming in opposition actually says a lot about how much support this idea has. Most of the thread content is disagreement between those two small groups. People should be free to come in and express a dislike for someone else's idea, give their reasons which to them are valid and Bioware can decide whether or not they agree.

The validity of opinions is based on each individuals bias towards what they do or do not accept as reasonable. To me what I want is reasonable, my arguments are valid. To the OP her or his arguments are reasonable and to them is valid. The reality is what the OP thinks is the right thing to do has been over and over disagreed with by other fans. It might be the right thing for her but it is not the right thing for others.

One of the most annoying things is when I asked about the validity of the very thread title content, that is it or is it not her or his "one last plea"... The fact is the answer was no and that no matter what Bioware says their stance is, it will be ignored or tuned out because said will continue to ask regardless. "One last plea" is an actual lie therefore complaining about being called a liar seems moot, "Do the right thing" is subjective as shown in this very thread by me and others.

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Clearly it is not the right thing to do when time and time again other 'fans' come in and say they think that it would be the wrong thing to do. The fact you keep telling those people to leave suggests to me personally that the only people you want in this thread is the people who agree with you but this is a community forum where fans of all types express and discuss other fans ideas. For some reason you take offense when it is not in agreement. Gen was not flaming, he posed a different opinion on the right thing to do and got ganged up on then told to leave when you or others could not defeat his logic and reasoning. The trying to imply he would be banned or even should be for having a different opinion is a very low route to take by you.

Your opinion.  I never told you to leave, you sent me hatemail and said you were leaving.  I asked Geneaux to either leave or quit trying to be argumentative-and he was being so since his first post was insulting.

I don't mind respectful disagreement and discussion at all, but you have come here and repeatedly called me names-should I then want to talk to you?  Do you do that in real life and still keep friends?  Do you think that's the way to try and actually communicate?  "Gen's" first post called people liars.  That is flaming-I have modded and he would have at least been warned for it on any other board.  How could he get ganged up on if most people don't agree with me?  And he was the one creating posts with quotes from multiple people in them.  If he didn't want to participate in discussion with multiple people, he could easily have responded to one person at a time.  I never implied he'd be banned-I was stating it was not civil to enter a thread in the way he did and I explained what would happen if I did that in other people's threads which is exactly what I don't do.  I discuss the topic.  I read the OP and discuss what it says, not what I think it says or what I want other people to think it says.

I took offense at you calling me names.  I don't mind decent disagreement.  You called me selfish repeatedly.  I am not and you, on the other hand have shown that you indeed are.  You act like I want to shoot your dog or your child when I am asking Bioware to do what I think is the right thing.  I've explained why, partly because I think it might add to their resources and it might bring fans back that would make DLC even more viable and might help them keep creating unique games.  On the other hand, you've told people to leave which actually would take money away from Bioware (if people took your advice) and might mean they'd decide more DLC is not cost effective.

I also explained that even now reviewers that were on BW's side over the ending (and helped you decide that people that don't agree with you deserve to be called all kinds of hateful names) aren't enthusiastic about Leviathan.  Even people that "liked" the endings have said they don't care to buy it and are done with ME3.  Compare that to fans of ME1 and2 who couldn't wait for more DLC and were not done with them even a couple years after release or even now, 5 years after ME1's release.  ME is over for a lot of people-that may mean that creating new content that does not bring back a large segment of ME's core group of fans might doom any DLC and even any further ME or ME-type games.  You are the one telling people to go away and shut up about it-if they take your advice BW itself could be gone.  SWTOR lost at least 400k subscribers partly due to the ME3 debacle and BW had to lay off employees because of it.  So I'm asking for BW to find a way to help me give them my money and you are telling me and others like me to go away.  Good one.