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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No, it would not invalidate anything.

Those who wish their Shepard dead just don't download it. It's that simple. Just like those who do not wish to play "Arrival" don't download it.

I don't understand the intransigence. I'd pay for the DLC. It would make the game replayable.

[Iakus]

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

I don't think it does, especially when Bioware said there is no canon ending. IMO I don't think any new add-ons will invalidate the endings because everyone can still pick the endings they want

You wouldn't think so given how...adamant...some folks have been on how this would be a horrible thing.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

I understand where your coming from. Even though the Starbrat may have tried other experiments, the fact that he tries to push Synthesis again and knows the Crucible can give enough power for it, and sorta considers Destroy and Control as "termporary" solutions, that is very suspicious.

As I see it, no solution is permanent, each is temporary but may last longer than another.  Destroy actually could take a long time to see killer robots occur (as the catalyst sees it).  Control-well, the robots exist but are under the iron thumb, er tentacle of the reapers-they could become the real threat and are very likely to.  Synthesis-well, that gives full understanding (Ugh) of organics to synthetics.  What organics?  They essentially no longer exist.  However, understanding does not negate killer robots.  And people still could create organic or synthetic life and more killer robots.  Even the reapers are or were a temporary solution-the solution will no longer work (whatever that means-if that's true then the best solution is to do nothing).

Destroy, Synthesis, and Control actually just seem like splintered parts of the reaper solution, the reapers through a prism-RGB.  What did you learn in school-the light spectrum?  ROYGBIV.  RGB.  The kid is light and RGB is him through a prism.  Control is what he does.  Synthesis is what he's tried to do with his creators and "himself", the reapers, Destroy is what he has the reapers do.

It's fun to speculate.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No that specific action would not, however as expressed by the OP she or he actually wants the catalyst invalidated. Even as optional DLC, invalidation of the time and money spent by Bioware and hard work of the person who created it is not something reasonable to ask for regardless of whether you like it or not.

no, she said Bioware can keep the brat in the ending, but she and the rest of us does want him gone but were not gonna to

[BearlyHere]

AresKeith wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Only if you ignore most of the Extended Cut.  There's nothing at any point to suggest that the Catalyst had anything to do with the Crucible, and evidence to suggest that he didn't, so there's really no logic in saying that it seems like he did.

the Leviathan DLC suggest he does have something to do with the Crucible, especially since it needed it for Synthesis

I've said before in other threads that since it was stated that the next ME series would take place in the future, that one of the endings would become canon. I had a sick feeling my playthrough that they would go with synthesis, 
and from what I've heard about Leviathan, I'm more sure that they're planning to go with the glowing green-eyed cyborg happy ending. Add some sparkes, and they'll win the Twilight crowd, but not anyone who cares about what ME used to be.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You have the PM in your inbox, my blocking you has no impact on what you do except not being able to respond to me personally via a PM. You can report me but the real reason you did not is not because I blocked you, but because you know it was not a hate mail.

Ha, once you blocked me, it would not let me do anything with your profile.  I tried to report you so I know and figure you have had this happen before so you know it.

[robertthebard]

iakus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

I don't think it does, especially when Bioware said there is no canon ending. IMO I don't think any new add-ons will invalidate the endings because everyone can still pick the endings they want

You wouldn't think so given how...adamant...some folks have been on how this would be a horrible thing.

I am neither for, nor against such content.  I would not, howver, buy it.  I would much prefer a legend save at the beam in London, asking if you wish to continue, which would negate it, or import that Shepard into a new game.  If the game had ended there, I'd have been ecstatic with the whole thing.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You have the PM in your inbox, my blocking you has no impact on what you do except not being able to respond to me personally via a PM. You can report me but the real reason you did not is not because I blocked you, but because you know it was not a hate mail.

Ha, once you blocked me, it would not let me do anything with your profile.  I tried to report you so I know and figure you have had this happen before so you know it.

What are you talking about, you can report me without clicking on my profile, you have the PM in your inbox feel free to copy and paste it or quote it ofcourse I will find out if contacted whether or not you altered from the moderator so keep that in mind. What I sent was not hate mail no matter how much you pretend it was and that is the sole reason you never reported me.

Report button on my profile has nothing to do with a PM because it would still not contain what your 'claiming' was hate mail. It would be like reporting me for being me if click report button on my profile. That won't get you anything. Look at the bottom of the page, see all those names of moderators? Click on one and tell them what this so called hate mail contained via send a message button. Ofcourse when or if they get back to me I will make sure you made nothing up because if did would not be good for you and it will backfire on you. As there was no hate in the PM at all feel free to do so, I even told you how.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[AresKeith]

iakus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

I don't think it does, especially when Bioware said there is no canon ending. IMO I don't think any new add-ons will invalidate the endings because everyone can still pick the endings they want

You wouldn't think so given how...adamant...some folks have been on how this would be a horrible thing.

I'm thinking from both sides, because personally I want the whole ending change and the Earth Mission to be Suicide Mission 2.0. But that would take away the endings that some people liked, so why can't we get an add on ending that makes us like it or feel content since there is no canon ending

[Bolt-Action]

3D
Nail-on-head, as usual.
Thanks for taking the time to write/post it all.
Now, fingers crossed lol

[BearlyHere]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No, it would not invalidate anything.

Those who wish their Shepard dead just don't download it. It's that simple. Just like those who do not wish to play "Arrival" don't download it.

I don't understand the intransigence. I'd pay for the DLC. It would make the game replayable.

At this point, this is the only DLC I would pay for. 

[AresKeith]

BearlyHere wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No, it would not invalidate anything.

Those who wish their Shepard dead just don't download it. It's that simple. Just like those who do not wish to play "Arrival" don't download it.

I don't understand the intransigence. I'd pay for the DLC. It would make the game replayable.

At this point, this is the only DLC I would pay for. 

not even my Palaven DLC?

[3DandBeyond]

BearlyHere wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Only if you ignore most of the Extended Cut.  There's nothing at any point to suggest that the Catalyst had anything to do with the Crucible, and evidence to suggest that he didn't, so there's really no logic in saying that it seems like he did.

the Leviathan DLC suggest he does have something to do with the Crucible, especially since it needed it for Synthesis

I've said before in other threads that since it was stated that the next ME series would take place in the future, that one of the endings would become canon. I had a sick feeling my playthrough that they would go with synthesis, 
and from what I've heard about Leviathan, I'm more sure that they're planning to go with the glowing green-eyed cyborg happy ending. Add some sparkes, and they'll win the Twilight crowd, but not anyone who cares about what ME used to be.

Well I agree they have to make a canon ending, but synthesis presents a problem for a future game in that it leaves reapers intact and would create green eyed leviathans.  I actually interpret it a bit differently. The kid tries to make synthesis more appealing, but none of us likes him, right?  So, why would it become more desirable.  That has the effect of making me dislike it more (well not strictly possible).  Does that make sense?  The more he tries to make it make sense, the less sense it makes to me.

And even though the Leviathan may become a threat post-destroy it has limits.  If post-destroy EDI exists, she is the expert on QEC which is similar to what Leviathan uses for its thralls.  It also may be that Leviathan has a fear, not just of reapers but of other synthetics, like the geth and EDI, perhaps because they are immune to the thrall.

You could still choose control, but really I wouldn't ever anyway.  And again, reapers alive, I don't see that as good for a future game.

I think what I'm saying is anything with live reapers in it will be just blah.  Leviathan might be interesting as a foe and I've wonderedif that could lead to the Beings of Light.  Synthesis and Control seem to rule out Leviathan coming back and it seems strange they'd introduce him and then that's it for his cameo.

[vixvicco]

I have my fingers crossed too.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Only if you ignore most of the Extended Cut.  There's nothing at any point to suggest that the Catalyst had anything to do with the Crucible, and evidence to suggest that he didn't, so there's really no logic in saying that it seems like he did.

the Leviathan DLC suggest he does have something to do with the Crucible, especially since it needed it for Synthesis

I've said before in other threads that since it was stated that the next ME series would take place in the future, that one of the endings would become canon. I had a sick feeling my playthrough that they would go with synthesis, 
and from what I've heard about Leviathan, I'm more sure that they're planning to go with the glowing green-eyed cyborg happy ending. Add some sparkes, and they'll win the Twilight crowd, but not anyone who cares about what ME used to be.

Well I agree they have to make a canon ending, but synthesis presents a problem for a future game in that it leaves reapers intact and would create green eyed leviathans.  I actually interpret it a bit differently. The kid tries to make synthesis more appealing, but none of us likes him, right?  So, why would it become more desirable.  That has the effect of making me dislike it more (well not strictly possible).  Does that make sense?  The more he tries to make it make sense, the less sense it makes to me.

And even though the Leviathan may become a threat post-destroy it has limits.  If post-destroy EDI exists, she is the expert on QEC which is similar to what Leviathan uses for its thralls.  It also may be that Leviathan has a fear, not just of reapers but of other synthetics, like the geth and EDI, perhaps because they are immune to the thrall.

You could still choose control, but really I wouldn't ever anyway.  And again, reapers alive, I don't see that as good for a future game.

I think what I'm saying is anything with live reapers in it will be just blah.  Leviathan might be interesting as a foe and I've wonderedif that could lead to the Beings of Light.  Synthesis and Control seem to rule out Leviathan coming back and it seems strange they'd introduce him and then that's it for his cameo.

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:08 .

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No, the Geth/EDI dying consequence is more than enough to balance Destroy with Control/Synthesis. Besides Shepard sort of "lives" in Control.

I honestly think their motivations behind not expanding on the breath scene has to do with wanting players to speculate. Also expanding on the breath scene may outright deny the IT. It's likely that Bioware likes the fact that ITers talk about their game and boost up its publicity.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

[BearlyHere]

AresKeith wrote...

not even my Palaven DLC?

I'd love your Palaven DLC , and the retake Omega DLC, once they give us a destroy ending with more than a few seconds of breath. I'm holding the line. Bioware can send me emails announcing Leviathan every day, and it's not going to change my mind until they treat the customers right.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

No it is not, thats your assumption. Pure headcannon and not based on anything other than your own opinion and bias.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

Exactly, to protect the Many until Shreaper's own AI gets infected with the Kid's virus and starts having Reapers Gone Wild parties where reapers show their female frontal augmentations to the horror of the many.

[ghost9191]

BearlyHere wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

not even my Palaven DLC?

I'd love your Palaven DLC , and the retake Omega DLC, once they give us a destroy ending with more than a few seconds of breath. I'm holding the line. Bioware can send me emails announcing Leviathan every day, and it's not going to change my mind until they treat the customers right.

agree , i mean ME3 was suppose to be a end to shepards story, but as it is destroy does not offer much in the way of closure. Synthesis and control shepard dies, but with destroy as it is  , it is up in the air, doesn't really have a conclusiion to shepard story, though i suppose it is easier to just kill off the person rather than have a future

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

No it is not, thats your assumption. Pure headcannon and not based on anything other than your own opinion and bias.

I'm not trying to bash your ending, and the Shepard AI basically said this or something similiar in the control ending

[3DandBeyond]

BearlyHere wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

not even my Palaven DLC?

I'd love your Palaven DLC , and the retake Omega DLC, once they give us a destroy ending with more than a few seconds of breath. I'm holding the line. Bioware can send me emails announcing Leviathan every day, and it's not going to change my mind until they treat the customers right.

Yes, to the point.  Why not even create eventually IT DLC?  It's got a huge following and I wouldn't be opposed to it.  It's not my preferred ending, but why not?  I'd probably buy it too.  If BW fixed this I'd buy it all just for the fun of it.  If they wanted to go back and answer all the questions in the codex that are left unanswered, I'd buy it all.  I want to know what happened to the time capsules from a previous cycle left on that one planet.  If they fixed this, I'd buy tutus for Shepard and all of them so they could create their own Follies.  I'd buy decorations for the Normandy.  I'd buy it all.  That's what they have not understood.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

Exactly, to protect the Many until Shreaper's own AI gets infected with the Kid's virus and starts having Reapers Gone Wild parties where reapers show their female frontal augmentations to the horror of the many.

You two agreeing about headcanon does not a canon make. It is no more valid than claiming all Synthetic babies are cat people with six tails. You cannot dismiss my headcanon anymore than you can dismiss six tailed cat babies because niether are shown or happened yet and either "could" happen. Actually thats a bit wrong, you can dismiss it but it just makes you look very silly since you have absolutely no evidence to go on which could dismiss it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

Exactly, to protect the Many until Shreaper's own AI gets infected with the Kid's virus and starts having Reapers Gone Wild parties where reapers show their female frontal augmentations to the horror of the many.

...I'll admit, I'd hit that.