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[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

Exactly, to protect the Many until Shreaper's own AI gets infected with the Kid's virus and starts having Reapers Gone Wild parties where reapers show their female frontal augmentations to the horror of the many.

You two agreeing about headcanon does not a canon make. It is no more valid than claiming all Synthetic babies are cat people with six tails. You cannot dismiss my headcanon anymore than you can dismiss six tailed cat babies because niether are shown or happened yet and either "could" happen. Actually thats a bit wrong, you can dismiss it but it just makes you look very silly since you have absolutely no evidence to go on which could dismiss it.

here, yes Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) will keep the Reapers around

Modifié par AresKeith, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

No it is not, thats your assumption. Pure headcannon and not based on anything other than your own opinion and bias.

I'm not trying to bash your ending, and the Shepard AI basically said this or something similiar in the control ending

Said will right the wrongs of the past, protect those who can not protect themselves. Says will keep watchful eye over ones cared about. This does not mean when they pass away of old age and galaxy rebuilt plus helped create peace through the galaxy that could not consider job done and end it. It did not say would be around forever, it could also change it's mind and decide it has done enough. Headcanon is what "could" happen and this "could" happen. A possiblity, one of many.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

No it is not, thats your assumption. Pure headcannon and not based on anything other than your own opinion and bias.

No, AresKeith is not head canoning this. Watch and weep: http://youtu.be/0PPBllnO8Tc?t=6m34s

[ghost9191]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

No it is not, thats your assumption. Pure headcannon and not based on anything other than your own opinion and bias.

I'm not trying to bash your ending, and the Shepard AI basically said this or something similiar in the control ending

Said will right the wrongs of the past, protect those who can not protect themselves. Says will keep watchful eye over ones cared about. This does not mean when they pass away of old age and galaxy rebuilt plus helped create peace through the galaxy that could not consider job done and end it. It did not say would be around forever, it could also change it's mind and decide it has done enough.

yeah like going all first catalyst and harvesting, more likely than having the new shepcatalyst  give up power, it is not the shepard we love, jsut a simple copy .

some of that was a joke, but also some was not

Modifié par ghost9191, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[Dragoonlordz]

ghost9191 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Said will right the wrongs of the past, protect those who can not protect themselves. Says will keep watchful eye over ones cared about. This does not mean when they pass away of old age and galaxy rebuilt plus helped create peace through the galaxy that could not consider job done and end it. It did not say would be around forever, it could also change it's mind and decide it has done enough. Headcanon is what "could" happen and this"could" happen. A possiblity, one of many.

yeah like going all first catalyst and harvesting, more likely than having the new shepcatalyst  give up power, it is not the shepard we love, jsut a simple copy .

some of that was a joke, but also some was not

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon if they ever required one because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:43 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:48 .

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

All I see is you making a lot of assumptions about something that is possible and don't want to admit.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So basically what you were doing?

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:55 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

All I see is you making a lot of assumptions about something that is possible and don't want to admit.

both the Paragon and Renegade control endings has the Shepard intending to use the Reapers, its not gonna change its mind and destroy them because its gonna use logic to keep them around since there will always be conflict

Modifié par AresKeith, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:57 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So basically what you were doing?

Your free to think that if you like. It does not change the fact it is possible. By 'what you were doing', I assume you mean the same as they just did which is provide possiblities aka headcanon of which I already mentioned was from the offset.

[plfranke]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

even paragon shepard in control sounds exactly like the star child if you listen to him. I will command the greatest army and I will protect the many at all costs. The mandate of the catalyst was to preserve life at any cost.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

All I see is you making a lot of assumptions about something that is possible and don't want to admit.

both the Paragon and Renegade control endings has the Shepard intending to use the Reapers, its not gonna change its mind and destroy them because its gonna use logic to keep them around since there will always be conflict

It's headcanon, just like what you just assume or suggested is also in the bolded section. Something you imagine will happen. You think it would not do it, I said it could do it. There is nothing that says it cannot do what I suggested. Especially if Bioware needed a canon beginning to say ME4 as it is the quickest and easiest to make happen.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...





All I see is you making a lot of assumptions about something that is possible.

Basing it on what we are told, shown, and hear.  Shepard's voice is not just his/hers.  Shepard is said to have only thoughts and memories-not emotions.  The kid's computer hardware made no allowance for emotions-it has none so Shreaper has none.  Shreaper is said to have no connection to those it knows.  So Shreaper can't ask anyone to kill it.  The kid was housed in the citadel and so it makes sense that Shreaper would be as well.  How do you shut it off?  Of course, that's a moot point because no one knows about it anyway.

It is the nature of people to not want mass murderers alive amongst them.  People even tear down the homes in which killers have lived.  Jeffrey Dahmer ate people.  His house was torn down.  Reapers have people goo inside them.  I can't see someone being overjoyed to see the reaper that "ate" half of his planet fixing anything.  I can imagine people being confused as to why the reapers have suddenly gone crazy and are fixing things instead of eating people and I can imagine people living in fear afterward.  It is the nature of people to do that.  I can't imagine anyone that had to clear the citadel of all those bodies being super happy to have reapers outside working on fixing it.  Why is this hard to understand?  Would you want a guy that killed your family fixing your car?  No human being with a shred of love for his family or for a shred of love for the planet would be welcoming the reaper patrols.  They are living nightmares and reminders.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[3DandBeyond]

plfranke wrote...
even paragon shepard in control sounds exactly like the star child if you listen to him. I will command the greatest army and I will protect the many at all costs. The mandate of the catalyst was to preserve life at any cost.

Yes, it's creepy and the music is ominous and that Shepard says things no paragon would.  Someone once said it best that if 2 groups started fighting-say the Krogan and Turians, which Many would Shreaper protect?  Might be a real fun thing for Turians to see reapers swooping in to keep the peace.

[AngryFrozenWater]

@3DandBeyond: There is no use to respond to DL. He made his point that he is opposed to your idea. And that's fine. Now he is only here to derail your thread. You can never convince him. Just ignore him.

[StrawberryRainPop]

You KNOW this wont work....just let it go guys...they will not change the ending

[3DandBeyond]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

You KNOW this wont work....just let it go guys...they will not change the ending

I understand and all-I know what you are saying and I'm not saying they will.  I can still ask.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

both the Paragon and Renegade control endings has the Shepard intending to use the Reapers, its not gonna change its mind and destroy them because its gonna use logic to keep them around since there will always be conflict

It's headcanon, just like what you just assume or suggested is also in the bolded section. Something you imagine will happen. You think it would not do it, I said it could do it. There is nothing that says it cannot do what I suggested. Especially if Bioware needed a canon beginning to say ME4 as it is the quickest and easiest to make happen.

could the Catalyst change its mind? The Shepard AI was created to serve a purpose

and saying there will always be conflict isn't headcanon

[KENNY4753]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

You KNOW this wont work....just let it go guys...they will not change the ending

It's highly unlikely that they will change the endings, yes. But does that mean that people shouldn't express what they would have liked to see the endings be like?

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

All I see is you making a lot of assumptions about something that is possible.

Basing it on what we are told, shown, and hear.  Shepard's voice is not just his/hers.  Shepard is said to have only thoughts and memories-not emotions.  The kid's computer hardware made no allowance for emotions-it has none so Shreaper has none.  Shreaper is said to have no connection to those it knows.  So Shreaper can't ask anyone to kill it.  The kid was housed in the citadel and so it makes sense that Shreaper would be as well.  How do you shut it off?  Of course, that's a moot point because no one knows about it anyway.

It is the nature of people to not want mass murderers alive amongst them.  People even tear down the homes in which killers have lived.  Jeffrey Dahmer ate people.  His house was torn down.  Reapers have people goo inside them.  I can't see someone being overjoyed to see the reaper that "ate" half of his planet fixing anything.  I can imagine people being confused as to why the reapers have suddenly gone crazy and are fixing things instead of eating people and I can imagine people living in fear afterward.  It is the nature of people to do that.  I can't imagine anyone that had to clear the citadel of all those bodies being super happy to have reapers outside working on fixing it.  Why is this hard to understand?  Would you want a guy that killed your family fixing your car?  No human being with a shred of love for his family or for a shred of love for the planet would be welcoming the reaper patrols.  They are living nightmares and reminders.

It said it is influenced by Shepards memories, past and emotions like he influenced his squadmates in the game.

It said it has connections to those Shepard cared about, and will protect them.

It can ask anyone it want's to destroy it via VI form or Keepers to do so, even the Reapers can take the citadel with them as flies into sun.

This stance of noone knows about it is just redundant since he could let anyone know about it by reaching out to the Geth or EDI even, or anyone who enters the Crucible. Your stance literally has no ground to stand on regarding this specific element.

Why are you whining about having Reapers alongside people again, it has nothing to do with what I said.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:13 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"I will command an army that none will dare oppose. I will protect, defend. I will destroy all those who oppose the will of the many."

Try that on for size. That's not even the full renegade. That's the renegon.

[Dragoonlordz]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

@3DandBeyond: There is no use to respond to DL. He made his point that he is opposed to your idea. And that's fine. Now he is only here to derail your thread. You can never convince him. Just ignore him.

Funny because I could say the same about 3D and her stance.

[Warrior Craess]

robertthebard wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Same people attacking this thread for the past 70 pages, no address/intervention by BIoware yet.

You guys will single-handedly recreate the "All Were Thematically Revolting." thread lol!

I actually got into some really good conversations in that thread.  Gained some insight, and maybe passed some out.

I enjoyed most of that thread as well. 

sadly it seems that BW skipped out on it. 

[Dragoonlordz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"I will command an army that none will dare oppose. I will protect, defend. I will destroy all those who oppose the will of the many."

Try that on for size. That's not even the full renegade. That's the renegon.

Has no impact on what I just suggested.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

both the Paragon and Renegade control endings has the Shepard intending to use the Reapers, its not gonna change its mind and destroy them because its gonna use logic to keep them around since there will always be conflict

It's headcanon, just like what you just assume or suggested is also in the bolded section. Something you imagine will happen. You think it would not do it, I said it could do it. There is nothing that says it cannot do what I suggested. Especially if Bioware needed a canon beginning to say ME4 as it is the quickest and easiest to make happen.

could the Catalyst change its mind? The Shepard AI was created to serve a purpose

and saying there will always be conflict isn't headcanon

That's the thing-Shreaper now has a purpose, to protect the Many.  There will never be a time when there is not a reason to do this, so Shreaper cannot and will not get rid of the reapers.  Shreaper may not see the synthetics as always becoming killer robots, but will always want to protect the Many supposedly-at least until that crazy AI Kid virus disrupts the programming and the reapers need to eat people again to save them from each other.