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[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

@3DandBeyond: There is no use to respond to DL. He made his point that he is opposed to your idea. And that's fine. Now he is only here to derail your thread. You can never convince him. Just ignore him.

Funny because I could say the same about 3D and her stance.

One of the funniest things ever.  See, if you ignored me--get it, you wouldn't be posting here.  It's a mirror in a mirror.

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's the thing-Shreaper now has a purpose, to protect the Many.  There will never be a time when there is not a reason to do this, so Shreaper cannot and will not get rid of the reapers.  Shreaper may not see the synthetics as always becoming killer robots, but will always want to protect the Many supposedly-at least until that crazy AI Kid virus disrupts the programming and the reapers need to eat people again to save them from each other.

Given how warped the Catalyst's logic became with its own purpose, who knows what Shreaper may end up doing to protect the Many.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

@3DandBeyond: There is no use to respond to DL. He made his point that he is opposed to your idea. And that's fine. Now he is only here to derail your thread. You can never convince him. Just ignore him.

Funny because I could say the same about 3D and her stance.

One of the funniest things ever.  See, if you ignored me--get it, you wouldn't be posting here.  It's a mirror in a mirror.

See the bolded section. I wont hold it against you that you thought I was refering to the ignore part but that was not the case.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[ghost9191]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

You KNOW this wont work....just let it go guys...they will not change the ending

won't they ;)or:whistle:

[Warrior Craess]

AresKeith wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have to wonder, would expanding a "Shepard lives" ending, even if it's just the Destroy+ ending, really invalidate endings where Shepard does not survive? Especially if it was an optional DLC?

No, it would not invalidate anything.

Those who wish their Shepard dead just don't download it. It's that simple. Just like those who do not wish to play "Arrival" don't download it.

I don't understand the intransigence. I'd pay for the DLC. It would make the game replayable.

At this point, this is the only DLC I would pay for. 

not even my Palaven DLC?

I'd play a palavan DLC... even pay for it, But it would have to be played from garrus's view point and with out shepard.  

I'd love to see some DLC played from old squadmate view point.  Maybe Omega DLC isn't Shep and Aria.. but just Aria. I mean really in what way could Omega really interest shepard at this point? 

Maybe aomse london action as seen via Jack, Samara, Grunt, Wrex Miranda, or Jacob? 

One of the tings I liked about DA was during the final assault you actually played as other members of your party, doing their duty.

[3DandBeyond]

I think the point is, I don't care what others do like about the endings-they have what they want. I think they do, they say they do, but come here for some reason to try and prove it. I'm not asking for BW to change what they have-that would be selfish. I'm asking for something additional that we'd pay for that would lead us to buy more content and would actually help BW and even help the fans that maybe think we're all just haters.

We aren't haters, we'd just love a better ending for us-doesn't mean the endings that exist aren't good, for the people that love them. It just means we want some that we can love too. We know that those that love the endings they have want to spread and share that love and want everyone else to be happy too. And I appreciate that warm fuzzy feeling, from one fan to another. We all want BW to make good games, unique games and this thread is one possible way to help make that happen. Now, let's all join hands and sing about the love. No haters allowed because we aren't haters.

[Dragoonlordz]

Warrior Craess wrote...

I'd love to see some DLC played from old squadmate view point.  Maybe Omega DLC isn't Shep and Aria.. but just Aria. I mean really in what way could Omega really interest shepard at this point? 

My Shepard is very interested in Aria. Getting back at her for her threats in ME2. Even if have to use someone else to do it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:27 .

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Only if you ignore most of the Extended Cut.  There's nothing at any point to suggest that the Catalyst had anything to do with the Crucible, and evidence to suggest that he didn't, so there's really no logic in saying that it seems like he did.

the Leviathan DLC suggest he does have something to do with the Crucible, especially since it needed it for Synthesis

I've said before in other threads that since it was stated that the next ME series would take place in the future, that one of the endings would become canon. I had a sick feeling my playthrough that they would go with synthesis, 
and from what I've heard about Leviathan, I'm more sure that they're planning to go with the glowing green-eyed cyborg happy ending. Add some sparkes, and they'll win the Twilight crowd, but not anyone who cares about what ME used to be.

Well I agree they have to make a canon ending, but synthesis presents a problem for a future game in that it leaves reapers intact and would create green eyed leviathans.  I actually interpret it a bit differently. The kid tries to make synthesis more appealing, but none of us likes him, right?  So, why would it become more desirable.  That has the effect of making me dislike it more (well not strictly possible).  Does that make sense?  The more he tries to make it make sense, the less sense it makes to me.

And even though the Leviathan may become a threat post-destroy it has limits.  If post-destroy EDI exists, she is the expert on QEC which is similar to what Leviathan uses for its thralls.  It also may be that Leviathan has a fear, not just of reapers but of other synthetics, like the geth and EDI, perhaps because they are immune to the thrall.

You could still choose control, but really I wouldn't ever anyway.  And again, reapers alive, I don't see that as good for a future game.

I think what I'm saying is anything with live reapers in it will be just blah.  Leviathan might be interesting as a foe and I've wonderedif that could lead to the Beings of Light.  Synthesis and Control seem to rule out Leviathan coming back and it seems strange they'd introduce him and then that's it for his cameo.

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

Umm did you not see the control ending? Shepard AI is large and in charge, and the reapers are rebuilding the galactic civilization on his say so. So if they are alive at the end of the epilogue, why wouldn't they be alive in another 50K years? It's not like they don't already survive that long... 

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

I'd love to see some DLC played from old squadmate view point.  Maybe Omega DLC isn't Shep and Aria.. but just Aria. I mean really in what way could Omega really interest shepard at this point? 

My Shepard is very interested in Aria. Getting back at her for her threats in ME2.

And just why would your shepard take time away from the reapers to secure a place with no obvious upside to his task? 

Aria I know the reapers are busy killing and ravaring the galaxy, but I'm coming to spank that naughty blue ass of yours anyway?  kinky...

[KENNY4753]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I think the point is, I don't care what others do like about the endings-they have what they want. I think they do, they say they do, but come here for some reason to try and prove it. I'm not asking for BW to change what they have-that would be selfish. I'm asking for something additional that we'd pay for that would lead us to buy more content and would actually help BW and even help the fans that maybe think we're all just haters.

We aren't haters, we'd just love a better ending for us-doesn't mean the endings that exist aren't good, for the people that love them. It just means we want some that we can love too. We know that those that love the endings they have want to spread and share that love and want everyone else to be happy too. And I appreciate that warm fuzzy feeling, from one fan to another. We all want BW to make good games, unique games and this thread is one possible way to help make that happen. Now, let's all join hands and sing about the love. No haters allowed because we aren't haters.

"Now let's all join hands and sing about the love" 

I agree with you. If they made an alternate ending dlc that is optional for purchase it would help them as a company. The fanbase is torn in half between people who like what they have and people who don't. The smart thing to do would be to make an alternate ending optional for purchase to try to make the fanbase happy because without the fanbase it wouldn't have even been possible for them to reach a third Mass Effect game.

[Warrior Craess]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Where do you get this idea Reapers have to be alive in the next title if picked control? Your headcannon of it where they are is no different to the headcannon of once finished helping rebuilt they can be destroyed. Fire on each other, power down all their ships defenses and fly into the sun. Hell you could even have yourself destroyed if required by allowing someone else to take the platform up and in VI form tell them how to destroy yourself aka the core. The end result is galaxy completely rebuilt and no Reapers and no catalyst.

because its kinda obvious the Shepard AI (Sheplyst or Shreaper) is gonna keep the Reapers around to maintain order in the Galaxy

Exactly, to protect the Many until Shreaper's own AI gets infected with the Kid's virus and starts having Reapers Gone Wild parties where reapers show their female frontal augmentations to the horror of the many.

ROFLMAO.

[3DandBeyond]

KENNY4753 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I think the point is, I don't care what others do like about the endings-they have what they want. I think they do, they say they do, but come here for some reason to try and prove it. I'm not asking for BW to change what they have-that would be selfish. I'm asking for something additional that we'd pay for that would lead us to buy more content and would actually help BW and even help the fans that maybe think we're all just haters.

We aren't haters, we'd just love a better ending for us-doesn't mean the endings that exist aren't good, for the people that love them. It just means we want some that we can love too. We know that those that love the endings they have want to spread and share that love and want everyone else to be happy too. And I appreciate that warm fuzzy feeling, from one fan to another. We all want BW to make good games, unique games and this thread is one possible way to help make that happen. Now, let's all join hands and sing about the love. No haters allowed because we aren't haters.

"Now let's all join hands and sing about the love" 

I agree with you. If they made an alternate ending dlc that is optional for purchase it would help them as a company. The fanbase is torn in half between people who like what they have and people who don't. The smart thing to do would be to make an alternate ending optional for purchase to try to make the fanbase happy because without the fanbase it wouldn't have even been possible for them to reach a third Mass Effect game.

That's why I fully support IT DLC too-give them what they want-why not?  It doesn't hurt me.  And there's a lot of people clamoring for it.  The game should be about fun-I'd buy it all, but the ending is the most important thing for me.

[Warrior Craess]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

I'd love to see some DLC played from old squadmate view point.  Maybe Omega DLC isn't Shep and Aria.. but just Aria. I mean really in what way could Omega really interest shepard at this point? 

My Shepard is very interested in Aria. Getting back at her for her threats in ME2.

And just why would your shepard take time away from the reapers to secure a place with no obvious upside to his task? 

Aria I know the reapers are busy killing and ravaging the galaxy, but I'm coming to spank that naughty blue ass of yours anyway?  kinky...

[KENNY4753]

3DandBeyond wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I think the point is, I don't care what others do like about the endings-they have what they want. I think they do, they say they do, but come here for some reason to try and prove it. I'm not asking for BW to change what they have-that would be selfish. I'm asking for something additional that we'd pay for that would lead us to buy more content and would actually help BW and even help the fans that maybe think we're all just haters.

We aren't haters, we'd just love a better ending for us-doesn't mean the endings that exist aren't good, for the people that love them. It just means we want some that we can love too. We know that those that love the endings they have want to spread and share that love and want everyone else to be happy too. And I appreciate that warm fuzzy feeling, from one fan to another. We all want BW to make good games, unique games and this thread is one possible way to help make that happen. Now, let's all join hands and sing about the love. No haters allowed because we aren't haters.

"Now let's all join hands and sing about the love" 

I agree with you. If they made an alternate ending dlc that is optional for purchase it would help them as a company. The fanbase is torn in half between people who like what they have and people who don't. The smart thing to do would be to make an alternate ending optional for purchase to try to make the fanbase happy because without the fanbase it wouldn't have even been possible for them to reach a third Mass Effect game.

That's why I fully support IT DLC too-give them what they want-why not?  It doesn't hurt me.  And there's a lot of people clamoring for it.  The game should be about fun-I'd buy it all, but the ending is the most important thing for me.

It's an optional dlc for a reason. Although trying to cater to what every fan wants is not always a smart thing to do but when your company has lost about 1/3 of the fanbase for good, 1/3 who don't like the ME3 ending and are not sure if they will continue to support the company and 1/3 who are happy with what the company is doing, obviously you need to do something to try to appeal to those who are angry your company and may not continue to purchase your products, you need to do someting.

I can see if 75% were happy and 25% weren't happy then just moving on with what you have but when you have  a massive amount of your fanbase rebelling that means something is not right and something needs to be done. If they are worried about setting a precedent where every time a fan complains a change has to be made, then they are wrong. A minoity of people will always complain no matter what you do, but as a buisness it would be a smart buisness move for Bioware to do something about the ME3 dispute. 

Modifié par KENNY4753, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Warrior Craess]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is by far the easiest way to make canon than the others. All it would require is Bioware creating one line of text saying "When it felt it's job was complete it turned off the Reapers defences and flew them into the sun then self sacrifced with the aid of <insert whomever>." That is the most likely canon because it is the easiest to accomplish and leave the entire galaxy rebuilt and as once was.

Uh insert whomever-no one knows Shepard exists in control.  Shepard is cut off from everyone, just like the kid was.  No one knew about the kid until the crucible and Shepard got there.  No one would know about Shepard-so would they destroy the citadel where Shepard now lives?

And no one would wait for that all to happen.  No single person other than someone like TIM would want living reapers near them, no matter how good they are at fixing things.  They have people goo in them.  If a mass murderer killed your family would you want him fixing your car?  I'd care a heck of a lot more about the people turned into goo than about anything else.  The reapers decimated the galaxy and have killed trillions of people-no sane person would want them around.

And Shepard the reaper god is not Shepard. 

While I don't really support the endings, I gotta disagree with Shreaper being isolated. It makes zero sense. becoming an AI in charge of the Reapers, and being housed in the citadel somehow means you can't send a radio signal? That you could duplicate EDI downloading a portion of her conciousness into robotic body?

Certainly not ideal, but also certainly very possible.  Just one of the many things that bothered me about the endings. 

[Killdren88]

Thoughtful, If you picked Destroy. I would go as far as to say Harbinger survives . I mean He saw it coming, so I would think that he would have time to jump back to Dark space, and hit his emergency shut down what not, so he would not be affected by the crucible. And then once the Crucible is done he can reactivate himself and sit in dark space and plan for the retaliation. That is My Head cannon at least.

[KENNY4753]

Killdren88 wrote...

Thoughtful, If you picked Destroy. I would go as far as to say Harbinger survives . I mean He saw it coming, so I would think that he would have time to jump back to Dark space, and hit his emergency shut down what not, so he would not be affected by the crucible. And then once the Crucible is done he can reactivate himself and sit in dark space and plan for the retaliation. That is My Head cannon at least.

That must be why he runs away from the beam after critically injuring you. He figured if Marauder Shields can't stop you he better get as far away from there as he could.

[plfranke]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Thoughtful, If you picked Destroy. I would go as far as to say Harbinger survives . I mean He saw it coming, so I would think that he would have time to jump back to Dark space, and hit his emergency shut down what not, so he would not be affected by the crucible. And then once the Crucible is done he can reactivate himself and sit in dark space and plan for the retaliation. That is My Head cannon at least.

That must be why he runs away from the beam after critically injuring you. He figured if Marauder Shields can't stop you he better get as far away from there as he could.

Why doesn't Harbinger just destroy Shepard then if he saw it coming? The sad thing is, with the introduction of Leviathan, it made it seem almost possible that Harbinger could have simply been stupid enough and arrogant enough to just fly off, assuming Shepard would be defeated.

[Killdren88]

plfranke wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Thoughtful, If you picked Destroy. I would go as far as to say Harbinger survives . I mean He saw it coming, so I would think that he would have time to jump back to Dark space, and hit his emergency shut down what not, so he would not be affected by the crucible. And then once the Crucible is done he can reactivate himself and sit in dark space and plan for the retaliation. That is My Head cannon at least.

That must be why he runs away from the beam after critically injuring you. He figured if Marauder Shields can't stop you he better get as far away from there as he could.

Why doesn't Harbinger just destroy Shepard then if he saw it coming? The sad thing is, with the introduction of Leviathan, it made it seem almost possible that Harbinger could have simply been stupid enough and arrogant enough to just fly off, assuming Shepard would be defeated.

Response, Perhaps Harbinger saw the big picture. And was looking out for himself. Maybe he did not want to risk Leviathan getting a hold of him, Reapers are all about self presivation. So I assume Harbinger decided to cut their losses, and retreated, using the other reapers as a distraction so that he may escape.

Modifié par Killdren88, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[Yakko77]

ATiBotka wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I agree 100%, but I get the feeling Chris Priestly is going to lock this down and say: Nope, sorry, we're pushing for Synthesis. Sorry you feel this way, please continue to buy our products in the future. LOCKDOWN!!!

Who's pushing synthesis?

The writer(s).  Star Brat specifically calls Synthesis "preferred". 

Not to this fan.

As for the OP, well said.  You pretty much laid out what so many fans (specifically Destroy "Good" or conventional victory Reject End) want.... but aren't going toget.  "Artistic Integrity"....

[Yakko77]

Xellith wrote...

I love how in refuse the catalyst is all "yeah my solution wont work anymore just because you are in my room. Yes. You. You being in my room means my solution I have used for a billion years which has caused the death of a few quintillion people will not work anymore. Oh you dont want the Red, Green or Blue options? "

"SO BE IT.

The cycle continues"

Oh Bioware. U so krazy

Ugh... please don't remind me of that middle finger to the fans.  Oddly enough, I still despise teh Synthesis Ending more.

I wonder, what color did the next cycle choose to defeat the Reapers since Shep wouldn't do it.

[plfranke]

Yakko77 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I love how in refuse the catalyst is all "yeah my solution wont work anymore just because you are in my room. Yes. You. You being in my room means my solution I have used for a billion years which has caused the death of a few quintillion people will not work anymore. Oh you dont want the Red, Green or Blue options? "

"SO BE IT.

The cycle continues"

Oh Bioware. U so krazy

Ugh... please don't remind me of that middle finger to the fans.  Oddly enough, I still despise teh Synthesis Ending more.

I wonder, what color did the next cycle choose to defeat the Reapers since Shep wouldn't do it.

What's even more odd is how exactly the next cycle goes on to defeat the Reapers anyway. You'd think they would prepare better the next time around.

[Yakko77]

plfranke wrote...

What's even more odd is how exactly the next cycle goes on to defeat the Reapers anyway. You'd think they would prepare better the next time around.

That's never explained or expanded upon.  All you know is that Liara's "time capsules" are used and the next cycle beats the Reapers... with destroy. 

[plfranke]

Yakko77 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

What's even more odd is how exactly the next cycle goes on to defeat the Reapers anyway. You'd think they would prepare better the next time around.

That's never explained or expanded upon.  All you know is that Liara's "time capsules" are used and the next cycle beats the Reapers... with destroy. 

You really don't even know that, unless you're taking twitter as canon, in which case we only know the crucible was used.

[Yakko77]

plfranke wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

What's even more odd is how exactly the next cycle goes on to defeat the Reapers anyway. You'd think they would prepare better the next time around.

That's never explained or expanded upon.  All you know is that Liara's "time capsules" are used and the next cycle beats the Reapers... with destroy. 

You really don't even know that, unless you're taking twitter as canon, in which case we only know the crucible was used.

You're right, I have no idea of knowing.  I was merely being snarky at the game developers expense.