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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

RenegonSQ wrote...

katness wrote...

Zan51, we are very much alike...

I'm a teacher too, and my husband is in the gaming industry. We both are frustrated with ME3 as it insults our intelligence. I'm hoping it gets fixed, but I'm very skeptical at this point and I don't feel for BW anymore. Now its just like watching a train wreck....

I asked if the Leviathan DLC insulted our intelligence as players, and I got ate alive by the people on this community. Saying that I couldn't have been very intelligent to begin with if this game can insult my intelligence in the first place.

If you wanna see the thread, i'll link you

Most of the people that are left  here are the hardcore rabid sheep, you'd be careful not to try and burst their bubble.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

fchopin wrote...

I like ME3 and i am reasonably happy with the destroy ending so i am not really asking for more end choices but would like more info on the Catalyst, reapers and crucible.

I know that many people would like a happier ending and if Bioware did one i would not be opposed to one because of the many number of people asking for one as long as it does not contradict the endings we have.

Because the endings we have don't contradict the previous 2.9 games.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[RenegonSQ]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

katness wrote...

Zan51, we are very much alike...

I'm a teacher too, and my husband is in the gaming industry. We both are frustrated with ME3 as it insults our intelligence. I'm hoping it gets fixed, but I'm very skeptical at this point and I don't feel for BW anymore. Now its just like watching a train wreck....

I asked if the Leviathan DLC insulted our intelligence as players, and I got ate alive by the people on this community. Saying that I couldn't have been very intelligent to begin with if this game can insult my intelligence in the first place.

If you wanna see the thread, i'll link you

Most of the people that are left  here are the hardcore rabid sheep, you'd be careful not to try and burst their bubble.

Yeah, unfortunately I see that now. So I recently made a thread asking where the "In between" fans are(meaning that they hate the ending and are willing to admit that the game is heavily flawed, but they still love the game), and somehow almost everyone claimed to be in between. It's very confusing lol

I feel like all my threads are just experiments now, just to see what people are willing to admit.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think it still can be saved.

I watched the Leviathan DLC femshep renegade edited without the combat yesterday and I thought the story was quite good. It was about an hour long without the combat sections. Played about the way I would have played it.

The unfortunate part is that it didn't impact the ending at all. It seemed to be an attempt to justify the ending.

As we've said, the way the game currently is it really isn't worth replaying. I've played through twice. Once in March, and once after the EC. Even with the EC content, I got the same sick feeling at the end. The ending is still broken because Shepard is still in the pile of garbage, and Bioware writers and staff still f*** with our heads about "it might be Shepard's last breath." So it was all for naught.

So I see no point in filling out the story before that by purchasing DLC at this point. However, if a DLC were added to have a rescue and a reunion to that breath, even if I had to buy it, it would make buying the other DLC that comes out worth it, and would make keeping ME3 worth it. It would not harm the ME3 experience for others. It would save the ME3 experience for a majority of people.

If that doesn't happen, I don't see a point in spending the money on any DLC.

[fchopin]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I like ME3 and i am reasonably happy with the destroy ending so i am not really asking for more end choices but would like more info on the Catalyst, reapers and crucible.

I know that many people would like a happier ending and if Bioware did one i would not be opposed to one because of the many number of people asking for one as long as it does not contradict the endings we have.

Because the endings we have don't contradict the previous 2.9 games.

The endings do not contradict the games for me.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

fchopin wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I like ME3 and i am reasonably happy with the destroy ending so i am not really asking for more end choices but would like more info on the Catalyst, reapers and crucible.

I know that many people would like a happier ending and if Bioware did one i would not be opposed to one because of the many number of people asking for one as long as it does not contradict the endings we have.

Because the endings we have don't contradict the previous 2.9 games.

The endings do not contradict the games for me.

I suppose...but unfortunately it isn't really just a matter of perspective.

[ghost9191]

i am actually trying to play through all three games now. after putting it down months ago. Was doing fine at the beginning of ME1 but when i saw sovereign in that distress signal from ash i kinda just lost the "will" to play. trying to finish but hard. and not because it is on insanity. But just when i think about the ending kinda get turned off. reasons have been said

but be nice to have something, if only to expand on the breath scene, other then bioware staff saying it could just be his last breath before a beam falls on him or her

[Malckeor]

Please, BioWare. Listen to this plea. Listen to us. Do the right thing.

[Crysis I]

Reality Check!

[plfranke]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Malckeor wrote...

Please, BioWare. Listen to this plea. Listen to us. Do the right thing.

Bioware did the right thing.

Bioware created something they loved, something they put blood, sweat, and tears into for five years. They ended it how they planned to. 

Then they were slapped in the face, spit upon, cursed by many on here who demanded, not asked, but DEMANDED that Bioware change what Bioware did, that Bioware conform to what they felt was the "theme" of Mass Effect.

It was putrid, really. Such selfishness makes me a little sick to my stomach.

They weren't paid to make something "THEY loved". They were paid to make what their fans loved. If this thread is any indicator, the majority of those fans wanted better.

[ghost9191]

i thought ppl were just asking them to add to it, not change it. and i am talking about this thread. And plus it would be good business to do so, Money yay

[plfranke]

ghost9191 wrote...

i thought ppl were just asking them to add to it, not change it. and i am talking about this thread. And plus it would be good business to do so, Money yay

Correct. I don't see how showing me my war assets in London, would be a crime against Bioware's artistic integrity.

[plfranke]

@Angel
I think it's a little unfair for you to bring that into the equation right now, in a thread, where the OP is clearly asking for Bioware to re evaluate the endings. This is something entirely different from what was going on immediately after the endings, and many of those people aren't even here anymore.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Malckeor wrote...

Please, BioWare. Listen to this plea. Listen to us. Do the right thing.

Bioware did the right thing.

Bioware created something they loved, something they put blood, sweat, and tears into for five years. They ended it how they planned to. 

Then they were slapped in the face, spit upon, cursed by many on here who demanded, not asked, but DEMANDED that Bioware change what Bioware did, that Bioware conform to what they felt was the "theme" of Mass Effect.

It was putrid, really. Such selfishness makes me a little sick to my stomach.

Yeah, not giving paying customers what they want is a safe bet, supply and demand can go bite a fat one.

You should run your own company.

[ghost9191]

EntropicAngel wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i thought ppl were just asking them to add to it, not change it. and i am talking about this thread. And plus it would be good business to do so, Money yay

 

I take it you weren't anywhere near BSN for the three months at least after the ending? Because they weren't asking, they were demanding a change.

well that is why i said this thread. i was here for that stuff.

[plfranke]

EntropicAngel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Angel
I think it's a little unfair for you to bring that into the equation right now, in a thread, where the OP is clearly asking for Bioware to re evaluate the endings. This is something entirely different from what was going on immediately after the endings, and many of those people aren't even here anymore.

I brought it up because the OP's talking about Bioware doing "the Right Thing," as if there IS some "right thing" on something that THEY created. There is no "right thing." There is only what they made. Like it, great. Don't, great. But don't turn this into some moral flaw.

What is right and wrong is decided by the individual. The majority of the individuals in this thread, believe, at the least, an addition is the right thing to do from Bioware. You're angry about the OP trying to define what is right and wrong, but you're doing the same thing. How about we just discuss why exactly you believe it's right or wrong, instead of jumping down each other's throats?

[plfranke]

EntropicAngel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Angel
I think it's a little unfair for you to bring that into the equation right now, in a thread, where the OP is clearly asking for Bioware to re evaluate the endings. This is something entirely different from what was going on immediately after the endings, and many of those people aren't even here anymore.

I brought it up because the OP's talking about Bioware doing "the Right Thing," as if there IS some "right thing" on something that THEY created. There is no "right thing." There is only what they made. Like it, great. Don't, great. But don't turn this into some moral flaw.

ghost9191 wrote...

well that is why i said this thread. i was here for that stuff. 

Same response as this ^^

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Yeah, not giving paying customers what they want is a safe bet, supply and demand can go bite a fat one.

You should run your own company.

Tell that to every author in the world. Or movie maker, I suppose.

Movies that fans don't like, don't do too well. And, it is a lot less common practice to make additions to books and movies, than games. You can't release a dlc for everyone that bought any given movie that impacts the ending, but you can do that for Mass Effect 3. Bioware will no doubt make money off of Mass Effect 3 from loyal fans who for whatever the reason didn't care too much about the ending. I admit, about 5 years ago, I wouldn't have cared too much about the ending, but I would have absolutely loved Leviathan, and the Rannoch arc, and the Genophage arc. Now, I absolutely hate it, and I hate that it ruined replayability for me. However, what will be the larger implications? How many fans will they lose, if too many people feel they didn't do "the right thing"

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Yeah, not giving paying customers what they want is a safe bet, supply and demand can go bite a fat one.

You should run your own company.

Tell that to every author in the world. Or movie maker, I suppose.

ME isn't a book or a movie,it is a completely seperate medium that can be altered on a whim. also plenty of authors and directors have changed movies and books based on customer feedback.

Sherlock.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:35 .

[plfranke]

EntropicAngel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

What is right and wrong is decided by the individual. The majority of the individuals in this thread, believe, at the least, an addition is the right thing to do from Bioware. You're angry about the OP trying to define what is right and wrong, but you're doing the same thing. How about we just discuss why exactly you believe it's right or wrong, instead of jumping down each other's throats?

This isn't a right or wrong issue. That's where the mistake is. I'm not angry at all. Disgusted at the selfishness of the people who were demanding changes, perhaps, but not angry.

The bolded is why I wrote what I did, about Bioware doing the right thing: trying to show that this isn't an issue of right or wrong. There's nothing "moral" about this.

It would appear that many disagree with you. I believe they feel betrayed by Bioware, and let down. A lot of that stems from things independent from the ending as well. Many people are upset about some pre release statements that were made after the game was already finished with development, statements that were deviously worded at best and outright lies at worst. A company that was once based on fan feedback has seemingly abandoned its fans and won't so much as discuss the ending with them.

I can't say that I believe it's "wrong" of bioware not to change the endings. Stupid , and an insult to the Mass Effect franchise, yes, but wrong? That's a tough one, and I see where you're coming from, but I also see where others are coming from.

Edit: Hey Typhoon, did you see my post in the omega thread? I thought you'd appreciate that.

Modifié par plfranke, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Archonsg]

@entropicangel
No, the majority didn't demanded a change but asked why the ending boiled down to an "A, B, C" (literally) ending. We wanted to know why the entire game played out almost catering to one style of play (Renegade) and why Shepard had to have his or her character, his soul murdered in those last 10 or so mins, to be replaced by a broken automaton blindly accepting solutions from an obviously insane and murderous AI without even so much a fight. That he chose to commit suicide, and suicide it was hidden behind the veneer of control - power, synthesis - dead messiah, destroy - victory at any cost, three themes.

We were asking, where was the fourth theme, victory and survival.

I see the term "selfish" thrown around alot, but perhaps my understanding of that term, being someone who ALREADY HAS SOMETHING BUT DOES NOT WANT ANY ONE ELSE TO HAVE THE SAME, is flawed.
Pro-current-enders are happy with what they have. How is adding ANOTHER ending, one they don't have to play towards make those who want such an ending make them "selfish"?

Ps: edited for spelling, BSN hates smartphones

Modifié par Archonsg, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:45 .