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[AresKeith]

Logan Cloud wrote...

I use the term bullies, because most people who want the endings changed are using petty insults against Bioware and their staff. Some have even threatened. You challenge their competence and intelligence. You try to make them do what you want because you feel like you're entitled, and somehow superior to them.

The term "bully" is appropriate, because that's all most of you are. You continuously harass and insult Bioware because they did something you don't like. That's the very definition of a bully.

so your gonna generalize everyone who's against the endings because of a few people who acted like. Personally I could same thing to a handful of pro-enders who just throws insults

Oh and nice way of using of the word entitled wrong

[Arcadian Legend]

EntropicAngel wrote...

TIM was doomed before he began, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't read the books at all, but looking at his eyes in ME2 and talking to the Catalyst about Control, it's clear TIM was never in control. 

FYI, TiM was exposed to a Reaper artifact in the ME: Evolution comic before he even created Cerberus and was known as his current moniker.

[Warrior Craess]

EntropicAngel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Asura's Wrath, Fallout 3

Expected, my friend. Expected.

And I don't know anything about that first one, but I do know the fallout one was made in response to fans complaining. It wasn't an unrelated DLC like Leviathon, which is what we were talking about.

Actually we are talking about asking bioware to create a DLC (not leviathan) that will expand the endings. We've said we'd even pay for it. Placing it in exactly the same category as the broken steel DLC for Fallout 3. 

The fact that the implications of Leviathan, and the possiblities it creates should impact the endings and doesn't is just another instance of poor story telling. A demonstration that they don't think about the consequences of what they are doing. 

As an exercise in "what if" lets consider the miricale of Palaven, as it concerns indoctrinated reaper forces. How badly could the reapers be hurt if their own forces carried warp bombs, fission weapons, aniti matter bombs etc? 

What if Normandy went around to a few places and attacted the attention of reapers, only to lure them into a place with a few Leviathans? 

What if a Life ship was converted to carry Leviathans instead of produce crops? If some shuttles or drones were loaded with the artifcats? How would the battle for earth have gone then? 

I didn't make the leviathan DLC, but I can certainly see, quite easily how the revelations it had, could easily effect the ending.

[Dragoonlordz]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Azura's Wrath, Fallout 3 Broken Steel, Alan Wake, to an extent. Prince of Persia epilogue, I'm sure there's more.

Again, "we are each a nation" - Sovereign
"We help them live on, in Reaper form" - Catalyst

I'm taking the games quotes over you and DragonHorde's interpretation anyday.

And it's not grey, it's orang-y.

Read what I said to the other fellow. Expected.

And, live on doesn't necessarily mean they are individually sentient, and I'm taking the GREY (Chakwas calls it grey) goo for goo and not somehow containing a fully formed human mind--you know, frontal lobes, occipital, etc., neurons, synapses, etc.

I am still waiting on her response to my reply about this element. Personally seems to me she wants to mass murder them despite them never asking for such, no proof want to be butchered by her. Now the Reapers exist to prevent people like her mass murdering others based on her own beliefs in my chosen ending. They protect all races equally from such views being carried out that one race or species or group should be butchered just because someone holds a different view.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:43 .

[Arcadian Legend]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

FYI, TiM was exposed to a Reaper artifact in the ME: Evolution comic before he even created Cerberus and was known as his current moniker.

Is that when he became indoctrinated?

It made him a sleeper agent most likely. Everything I know about the comic is through summaries. It just went into TiM's life as a merc before Cerberus.

[AresKeith]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Read the post that's right at the top of the page.

Once again, distracting from my main point because you have nothing to say.

your the one missing the point. This thread isn't demanding anything, its a suggestion to EA/Bioware that can help them make more money without changing any of the endings since there is no canon ending anyway

[Warrior Craess]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Um pretty sure that TIM started out trying to resist, and defeat the reapers. Mordin's assistant was attempting (succeding) in curing the genophage. Mordin was having a crisis on conscienousness at the beginning of ME2, it was the reason why he was running the clinic. 

I will grant that Bioware wrote the rest of the galaxy as complete idiots. Even people that believed Shepard didn't do anything to prepare for an invasion.  But that poor writing and story telling. Which is why they are backed into the corner of no way of winning a conventional war. Leaving us with the abhorent 3 color choices.

TIM was doomed before he began, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't read the books at all, but looking at his eyes in ME2 and talking to the Catalyst about Control, it's clear TIM was never in control.

Maelon, not Mordin. Mordin didn't do anything. I can give you Maelon. But that's one person.

Granted TIM was doomed, however that doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything. How much he was indoctrinated prior to ME3 is debatable. I can't really see the reapers allowing him to bring back shepard for any reason. 

Just becuase Mordin didn't attempt to cure it in ME2 doesn't mean he would do anything. He was after all ther reason that wrex knew about the cured female krogan. It's obvious he was leaning towards the cure from that point onward. 

Maelon was definately trying to cure the genophage. Wrex was busing saving the Krogan inspite of the genophage. Garrus was actively working to prepare for the reapers. 

So there were people doing things that Shepard helped along, it wasn't shepard doing it. He simply cleared away some resistance. 

[Ghost Lightning]

So the ending was ass. Get over it.

[Dragoonlordz]

One thing I find funny about the Wrex thing is if you kill him in ME2 over the cure in that game, what a bummer it must be to know he could of lived and still have his race cured in the next.

Sucks to be him I guess.

I kept him alive though in ME2.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:59 .

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Stopped reading here, not getting into debates about which endings are better as I feel they are all equally bad.

However;

Sovereign "we are each a nation, free of weakness"
Catalyst: "We don't kill them, we help to preserve them by ascending them to Reaper form."

The Human Reaper became alive at the end of ME2 despite not being completely built because why? Because most of the minds had already been 'uploaded' to it.

I know for a fact that their minds live on in Reaper form, it doesn't matter in what way or manner, they are there. Period.

Lastly, I saw you type "double-standards" and I know what you're going to say about how people can't say Shepard isn't alive in control and then turn around and say these peoples mind live on. They are totally different things. The catalyst already existed before Shepard uploaded their consciousness to it.

Whereas a Reaper's existence requires organics minds to fuel it from the get go.

Bolded part, yes it does matter. You missed my entire point if did not pick up on that. You wish to butcher and mass murder them even in your idea. My Reapers protect people, save lives, prevent war and never start one anymore. They do not cull races, do not mass murder, they protect every race from such atrocities ever happening again. The galaxy runs itself the people alive are free and nothing about that has changed. The only freedom I took away was the freedom to mass murder or wipe out another species.

In your happy ever after your races war with each other, your races mass murder each other just like always have done. You only have to look at human history to know this, let alone millions of years in ME universe. People come together to fight a common foe but when that foe is no longer they fight amongst themselves over resources, beliefs or strong pick on the weak because they can plus more. Mine protects them all does not harvest or wipe out races in order to do so anymore once I took control (whatever I may be).

Now seems to me out of your happy ever after and my ending more people live, more races are protected from harm in mine than yours. In fact you want to mass murder these people who became Reapers long ago without any idea of whether they wish to be culled by you or whether they even are self aware or have any individuality anymore, to you in your own words it doesn't matter you would kill aka butcher them all anyways.

I'll take a stab at this one. 

Lets take a similiar villian and compare them. The N.a.z.i.'s (grrrr hate that world is filtered) committed many of the same crimes. They destroyed whole people. The threated all civiliations as we knew them. Now What if Audie Murphy took Hitlers place, and suddenly the N.a.z.i.'s became the policemen of the world? How would people feel about the war crimes that they had committed? How would anyone be able to trust them? 

The fact is the reapers are much worse the WW2 Germany, Each one is physical representation of genocide. They can not exist with out an entire advanced species being brutally murdered and broken down into goo, and used to create a single reaper. How could the rest of the galaxy ever look at that with out trepidation? How could you be comfortable knowing that the person providing your protection was the worse mass murdered in the hitory of the universe? 

It doesn't matter that shepard is in charge of the reapers. No one will ever be able to trust them, or to feel comfortable around them. governments will build weapons specifically to counter the reaper threat (which they will believe in). War is an inevitable conclusion of the control ending. 

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

One thing I find funny about the Wrex thing is if you kill him in ME2 over the cure in that game, what a bummer it must be to know he could of lived and still have his race cured in the next.

Sucks to be him I guess.

I kept him alive though in ME2.

Wreav is a buzz kill anyway lol

[jkflipflopDAO]

How many millions upon millions of dollars has EAware made off of Mass Effect and all the associated DLC? Take the time to rewrite the game from the Cerberus base assault forwards. Do what's right for the series and for the fans. Forget about MAXIMUM PROFITS just this once.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Again, you pull that out to distract from my main point.

"You" is referring to people like you specifically. People who come into threads like these and demand something be done about something you don't like because you don't like it.

Again, you know exactly who and what I was referring to.

This exchange seems to be getting very nasty. This gets us nowhere and just causes animosity that I think no one wants. Sorry for singling you out. Others can take a similar lesson.

A lot of this flaming could be avoided by changing of a few words like this. I took the liberty of copying a couple of your earlier posts for illustration. The corrections are capitalized for clarity. The reason for the inclusion of "some of" is because just saying "you" in a group discussion like this implies everyone when in truth it is only some of us wanted X or had Y attitude.

They really only added Refuse so SOME OF you could challenge their logic, and they could shoot SOME OF you down. It was kind of a dick move on Bioware's part, I'll admit, but it was a very justifiable reaction considering the attitude SOME you all took towards them.

So no, they didn't really add any new endings. They added a counter-argument to the bullsh*t SOME you guys have been spewing out for months.

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That's another good point. Most SOME people are actually somewhat satisfied now. If they didn't change the endings during the sh*t storm, why would they do it now that it's all over?

The reason I changed the "most" to "some" in the second example is that
we don't know for certain that most people are satisfied with the EC endings, but we
do know that some people are. You can even scratch out "somewhat" because you've eliminated trying to champion a majority without even anecdotal facts to back it up. Most can be debated while some cannot.

There. Now it makes the same point, and no one can take offense.

:runs for cover from the rotten tomatoes being thrown:

[Warrior Craess]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Granted TIM was doomed, however that doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything. How much he was indoctrinated prior to ME3 is debatable. I can't really see the reapers allowing him to bring back shepard for any reason. 

Just becuase Mordin didn't attempt to cure it in ME2 doesn't mean he would do anything. He was after all ther reason that wrex knew about the cured female krogan. It's obvious he was leaning towards the cure from that point onward. 

Maelon was definately trying to cure the genophage. Wrex was busing saving the Krogan inspite of the genophage. Garrus was actively working to prepare for the reapers. 

So there were people doing things that Shepard helped along, it wasn't shepard doing it. He simply cleared away some resistance. 

It was obvious he was leaning towards the cure...after he went with Shepard to see Maelon, and after he saw what all Maelon did in an attempt to create a cure. I don't believe he would have made a cure without that happening.

You have a point with Wrex, and with Garrus. But this is all after Shepard has personally worked with them over an extended period of time, and changed their worldview. Wrex had given up on the Krogans in ME1. But Shepard was able to convice him that they were worth trying to save. Garrus hedn't done anything in ME1, he wasn't proactive at all. And even after two years all he's doing is fighting mercs on Aria's planet. But after a great great deal of time with SHepard does he change.

Oh with out a doubt Shepard is a catalyst, and if I could muster the desire to I would play the whole series again, with out adding Garrus, Wrex or Tali just to see what happens. Sadly the endings and how badly I perceive them will prevent me from doing so. 

I will add that even if you kill off mordin in ME2 that another Salarian completes the cure, and is the leak to Wrex (wreave). And I might not like what the Qaurrians do, but they did do something about their situation, even with out shepard.