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[AresKeith]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

they could input it into their DLCs and make us require a large number of EMS and acquire certain War Assets, that why they wouldn't have to push back their DLC schedules

[CronoDragoon]

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

they could input it into their DLCs and make us require a large number of EMS and acquire certain War Assets, that why they wouldn't have to push back their DLC schedules

Which would in turn require multiplayer to get it, so I don't think this is a good idea.

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

they could input it into their DLCs and make us require a large number of EMS and acquire certain War Assets, that why they wouldn't have to push back their DLC schedules

Which would in turn require multiplayer to get it, so I don't think this is a good idea.

actually they'll probably just have to play MP to get their readiness up to 100%, because the new DLCs are obviously gonna give us more new War Assets, and doing every side-mission and fetch quest in the SP before Leviathan came out you would get a max EMS of over 7000

[Dragoonlordz]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

FF14 Reborn is the last MMO I play I think or specifically give a try. mainly due to the amount of years I have been enjoying Square then Squeenix titles, I think they deserve that little bit of extra time from me. But after that I doubt I will touch another MMO probably within the next few decades. Unless VR technology really takes off and can insert yourself into realistic fantasy and cyberpunk or scifi worlds to play with others in large number. I would pay subscription for that.

Fwiw, I believe the new FF14 has a chance. The dude running it was the guy put in charge of FFXI after Tanaka left for FF14, and what proceeded was the swan song of FFXI and the most fun I'd ever had playing it. Then Tanaka got demoted back to FFXI and the other guy was promoted to FF14, and FFXI sucked again and I quit after 7 years.

But now I'm playing GW2 and honestly, I can never see myself paying a subscription again, if F2P MMO's can be this good.

But we are getting pretty far off-topic, so I'll reiterate; it is extremely rare for a dev company to have something that is essentially a fountain of cash. It just isn't very imitable, even though EA has tried to imitate both Blizzard and Valve with SWToR and Origin. We've seen how that went. It is unrealistic to expect BioWare as a company to work without budgets.

I do want Origin to suceed though, not because it is so super duper amazing since I want it to have vastly more games, cheaper prices by far and more features. But the reason being I think Valve needs some serious competition against Steam. Competition is a good thing and better for customers even if Steam is quite good as it stands it cannot just be alone forever and others need to compete with it and will also keep others improving theirs.

The biggest problem with EA finance wise is they have too many projects and too many studios doing too much (I do not mean like Bioware should get less funding or anything), I mean in general according to public financial reports I have seen they invest too much and fail to recover enough which in turn reduces the viable budget for each studio and platform because it either pushes the publisher further into the red or less budget to share out.

The biggest issue with being against spending is that either way could lead to job loss. Spend too much and won't make back enough and get job loss, spend to little and you get issues with not enough funding to make best product can which leads to lost sales and then onto job loss again. It's a tough one to balance. I imagine it is also why they push so hard. The only thing I would like is less input on what EA wants and more descretion on what a developer wants to do.

This also has problems and issues, a publisher helps pay a large amount of cost of development as such they kind of deserve some say but too much say can have negative effect if what they are saying is not well recieved by the customers. But you have to remember without their backing without all the money they pour into studios, a lot of the games would not be made that people like and a lot of them would be far less quality wise due to much more limited resources and money.

Personally I am a big fan of kickstarter which is an alternative to relying on publishers funding and so are many of the Bioware team members like Mike and others, they invest in projects on there personally which is an alternative route to market and getting games and such produced but I am under no illusion that kickstarter would ever replace publishers completely, they will just remain two different routes to market.


Anyways I am off, I got work to do.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

they could input it into their DLCs and make us require a large number of EMS and acquire certain War Assets, that why they wouldn't have to push back their DLC schedules

Which would in turn require multiplayer to get it, so I don't think this is a good idea.

Not necessarilly, if each DLC will include more War Assets....

Edit:  to elaborate  it currently requires 3100 EMS to get the breath scene.  Possible in a thorough SP playthrough.  Say this hypothetical DLC adds another 400 War Assets, as LEviathan (I think) did.  Okay, now it adds teh "Shepard gets out of the garbage" addition to the breath scene  at 3300 EMS.  Problem solved.

Modifié par iakus, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[3DandBeyond]

CronoDragoon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

they could input it into their DLCs and make us require a large number of EMS and acquire certain War Assets, that why they wouldn't have to push back their DLC schedules

Which would in turn require multiplayer to get it, so I don't think this is a good idea.

Well not necessarily-they could tie certain dialogue options to increased EMS, but even now the least you need is 3100 for all endings and each DLC is adding to EMS.  It could be done without that requirement.

[AresKeith]

but they will have to play the MP to get their Galatic Readiness back up to 100%, thats a given

[MegaSovereign]

OP even if they wanted to I don't think they could release DLC that could modify existing DLC because of Microsoft or something.

[Applepie_Svk]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Yes to return to the topic, it's about asking BW to reconsider things with regard to the endings and to perhaps create additions in DLC for pay.

I think now it´s more like a begging 3D, no offense but BioWare showed how much they care for fanbase - lot of people still don´t like the endings even with EC and BioWare and their artistic hubris managed only diverse of fanbase and trolling from own consumer. They want stick with their artistic whatever - fine because we already saw that is not art so they are free to keep it but they won´t see money from that big pile of angry fans which they lied straight to the eyes.

I´ve to tell you what will be next, they will try to justify presence of the ending via variable DLCs to make it work with the lore, it doesn´t matter if it will work because it will be good or it will be suck (actually it sucks with Leviathan), and that´s it - to know more you need to pay - cutting a game to pieces and selling them later is not cool way to show a value of your consumer, but it actually doesn´t matter they have enough happy fans to ignore of those angry.
We still have a lot of unanswered question for another DLCs. like:
- Keepers
- Crucible
- Creators of Crucible
- Sovereign
- Harbinger
- Creators of Catalyst
- Catalyst

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

OP even if they wanted to I don't think they could release DLC that could modify existing DLC because of Microsoft or something.

but like you said eariler and like I PM'd her about they could add it into their planned DLCs, and make us work harder for it

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MegaSovereign wrote...

OP even if they wanted to I don't think they could release DLC that could modify existing DLC because of Microsoft or something.

Corporations have policies. All another corporation has to do to get an exception to this policy is show a plan to MS. They can get a waiver. Policies are never set in stone. Ever.

They're not going to do it, however.

Now anything added after the breath scene doesn't modify the EC at all because the breath scene is in the original ending of the game.

It's doing it in stages where you get into a hassle. Best to just do it all at once.

[Mystiq6]

3DandBeyond wrote...

@Mystiq6,

I see what you are saying-what I think could well have happened is rather than the ending being a moral (immoral) choice, contrived out of nothing prefaced in the game before, there could have even rather been some attempt to dissuade Shepard from a course of action.  A challenge of wills that could involve philosophies.  I won't go into the other perceived meaning of what the reapers were doing that came up before ME3, other than to say they were being fairly animalistic (hibernating, awakening, feeding, and reproducing-they seeded tech to fatten up the intelligence of advanced races). 

The ending very likely could have been involving the reaper collective or representative challenging Shepard regarding activating the crucible.  If it needed to be an AI overseer, fine, but not in this way.  If say Harbinger-he could try to plant the idea that indeed the reapers are a part of some cosmic plan that is beyond Shepard's comprehension and even say that the relationship is symbiotic, in that reapers advance people and let them live until the time comes for the price to be paid.  Never should it feel right to agree with the enemy, but keeping it enigmatic is not a bad thing.  Things that go bump in the night.  I don't think "why" always needs to be told, but if it does it must seem relevant to solving the conflict.  The disagreement could have led to real conflict with Harbinger or with reapers converging on the crucible, knowing they could die.  And setting off the crucible never had to mean it was some amazing destructo beam. 

The thing could well have been great if it was more a real conflict and a battle of wills.  I'm not saying this is THE way to end it, but just some ideas of things that might have been worked into it.

I don't think I would even want to try guessing what could be. I really believe Leviathan should have existed since Mass Effect 2 because it would have forced the narrative to consider how to defeat the reapers, which would prevent the deus ex machina we all dislike and prevent the tossing out of the general theme of "hope" that I think is the over-arching theme of the series (but have been told otherwise by BioWare).

If you want to get into specifics, as a character, the Leviathans have potential to provide a lesson through the narrative. They are the like the Protheans in that their arrogance became their undoing but, unlike the Protheans, have had billions of years to witness the error of their ways. That must be very damning to their egos. As far as character development goes, witnessing the wrath of their mistake can easily serve as a catalyst (pun intended) in making them rethink their place in the galaxy and what they could do to help.

Introduce the Leviathans a whole game and a half earlier and make them serve a true purpose. They would go from all-knowing badasses to humble servants of this cycle. The Crucible wouldn't need to exist. Instead, your war assets would probably be protecting the last of the Leviathans. You want to sacrifice someone? Sacrifice the Leviathans. (Unless, of course, they are the plan for Mass Effect 4.) Have them sacrifice themselves for the greater good of this cycle. Have them kill Harbinger and then destroy the Catalyst while you actually defend them along with the rest of your war assets.

Or make the sacrifice Shepard or the Leviathans. Make it so that the Leviathans are reformed. That is a sacrifice I can swallow, along with being more meaningful. Although I would probably sacrifice the Leviathans every single time, turning their story into a tragedy, and it would truly be one.

I'd pay to see that.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Not true, initial complaint may have been about server load but most of the complaints are not about that at all now. I own the gae and spend a vast amount of time on their forums for it. There is immense amount of different issues people have and just like ME3 everyone disagree's on methods to make it better just like 3D is in here saying what she wants and method willing to accept which is different to what many others are willing to accept or method to be used. They are not fixing it how the players want, they are fixing it how they want based on player feedback and while some players are willing to accept those changes others still do not.

I will also point out Blizzard are not doing any changes they are not willing to make from how to handle each complaint and how it will be change if at all in game. Just like Bioware are doing with their game, they choose how to change and what to change. Diablo 3 had just as big an issue with online single player and RMAH compared to ME3 ending, in fact it was a bigger issues by far for their fanbase. Only they did the whole cussing at dev's, threats and such but Blizzard just handled the PR differently.

I also own the game, and about the only problem I have is I can't save leah, and I can't kill her mom... yet.  I've no doubt that in their expansion pack some of this will be addressed. And I learned from WoW that the Blizzard forums are... Lively and excitable.  I never go there and find that I enjoy the games more that way. 

Blizzard is a much more maleable about their games.  And they do a good job of walking the balance beem between hard core gamers and casuals. Like I said Bioware should strive to be more like Blizzard.

[Eterna]

One last plea, from me: Never return. Nothing of value is lost with your departure.

[Applepie_Svk]

Eterna5 wrote...

One last plea, from me: Never return. Nothing of value is lost with your departure.

You can do the same...

How about goodbye? 

[Eterna]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

One last plea, from me: Never return. Nothing of value is lost with your departure.

You can do the same...

How about goodbye? 

Nah, I like trolling ending haters too much to ever leave.

[Killdren88]

Bumping.

[Warrior Craess]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

yes WoW is the flagship game for Blizzard, and Bioware had a chance to equal that. SWToR could have easily done that. But it was rushed a bit, and suffered from a lack of real support from Bioware. They were slow to respon to game issue, slow to address player issues, and bugs. 

Blizzard actually had to build up their subscriber base, it never had as large a fanboy club as star wars. Yet it's out performed bioware in about every phase (except graphics - WoW graphics arn't all that good, about par for SWToR). You gotta wonder why there is such a discrepancy in performance? 

While The Old Republic is indeed disappointing, even if every current complaint had never existed, I highly doubt that it would have matched WoW's sales. Wow was the first to do what it did, and that's why it made so much money. Especially considering how addictive MMO's are, you would have been expecting SWToR to draw massive amounts of subscribers away from WoW. I don't find that expectation realistic. Imitaters tend to make significantly less than the original; ask any 3D movie since Avatar.

Oh I doubt that 10 million active subscribers was a realistic expectation at release. But the fan base for all things Star Wars is much bigger than the Fan base for all things Blizzard. Some of that should have been able to be tapped into and held on. 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

One last plea, from me: Never return. Nothing of value is lost with your departure.

You can do the same...

How about goodbye? 

Nah, I like trolling ending haters too much to ever leave.

Here's the thing you don't understand, the people still here trying to get BW to improve their game aren't "haters" they love ME more than most, and even after all of the BS they are still clinging on to what ME should have and could have been.

[Zan51]

Logan Cloud wrote...

They really only added Refuse so you could challenge their logic, and they could shoot you down. It was kind of a dick move on Bioware's part, I'll admit, but it was a very justifiable reaction considering the attitude you all took towards them.

So no, they didn't really add any new endings. They added a counter-argument to the bullsh*t you guys have been spewing out for months.

Why does this bother you? How do you feel threatened by our views? It's our time, our space here to do just that. We have free will same as you, but why does our exercising in it this way, our direction, seem to make you unhappy and insecure? Because if it didn't, you would not be so vehement in your desire to make us stop.

Modifié par Zan51, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Calamity]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I will restate my opinion and wish. I wish for Bioware to consider taking another look at this franchise. I am demanding nothing and I'm not asking that this be forced on everyone. I am asking Bioware to consider this as a whole-reuniting vast groups of fans with the larger community by assessing the validity of their wishes. I do not want certain preferences to be removed so that other players cannot have the ending "choices" they love and worship. I am merely asking that Bioware consider truly making something additional that will be more inclusive, allowing others to have the same value that those calling me selfish now have.

I was taught what selfish means because I grew up in a large family. It meant I didn't always get my way in every possible way. So, I'm not asking for that. If I were I'd want the endings redone. I was taught that being unselfish means sharing. What this post seems to have garnered is a lot of people that even while expressing indications they themselves are not truly happy with the endings they got, somehow see it as unselfish to protest requests for an ending they might actually like.

What I see mostly is the biggest oddity of all: people are saying making an ending like I suggest would be bad because most people would want it. If that's the case, I think it should be clear to Bioware-there's money to be made in making a path forward for this galaxy.

People want to debate the rightness or wrongness of the endings. Ok, fine. But there's no real debate to be had. We can't agree and some won't listen, instead merely reveling in out-talking others through nauseating repetition. That isn't intelligent debate. But again, if you see the endings as morally sound, or as moral dilemmas that needed to beyou are not convincing anyone here, no matter what. You've built your walls. I see them as immoral choices that did not and should not have been there in place of the true goal. This was not real life, but a video game for fun and entertainment. We cannot and will not agree.

You who see these ideas as morally ok or as great moral choices that should exist should be happy. You have that. If I ask them to create additional, extra, non-core material it should not threaten you, but for some reason it does. I think a poster has repeatedly said it best for you. You have chosen an ending that so far is best for you. I am happy for you. But if another ending came along you are afraid others might want that one more. I don't get this at all. For some reason, some of you think as long as you are happy that's all that matters. If the roles were reversed, I sincerely would want as many people as possible to love the game in its entirety just like me; if some were "left out" I would worry that this might impact whether more DLC will be forthcoming-fewer sales means less money for more quality content. And perhaps you should worry, even some at IGN are not proclaiming Leviathan to be a huge success. I do want more content, but I want meaningful content of the type that can draw fans back.

Again, I don't want to change anything for you and I wasn't even asking for only one Shepard lives kind of ending. I clearly asked them to perhaps consider making a fully functioning crucible that targets reapers only and that based on what you do might indeed have real collateral damage, explosions that could destroy vast numbers of people, the Normandy, Shepard's friends, and Shepard-or even have Shepard live while the LI dies. Along with that one path, one way forward to get to a true victory where only the reapers (of all living beings) are destroyed. Destruction would still exist and horrid things will have happened-those are the costs of war, not arbitrary, contrived choices IMO.

I'm trying to be rather unselfish, because what I ask for is not some huge retcon or fix (that I could dream of), but a way to make this somewhat agreeable. I am asking for this so as to extend the life of the game, to encourage future DLC and perhaps even games of this ilk (and of quality), and yes because it's what I'd like. Others have what they like-I think it would be singularly unselfish of them to want others to be happy, too.

What could be better than even more choices at the beginning, middle and end. I think we all want more Shepard! <3

[Jadebaby]

And the top of page 90 goes too.....


EDIT: Not me

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Jadebaby]

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

One last plea, from me: Never return. Nothing of value is lost with your departure.

You can do the same...

How about goodbye? 

Nah, I like trolling ending haters too much to ever leave.

Too bad you broke one of the most fundamental rules of being a troll. Never let people realise your screwing with them.

Your "I support the Catalyst" banner makes you wear your trolldentity on your sleave.

[Jadebaby]

Zan51 wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

They really only added Refuse so you could challenge their logic, and they could shoot you down. It was kind of a dick move on Bioware's part, I'll admit, but it was a very justifiable reaction considering the attitude you all took towards them.

So no, they didn't really add any new endings. They added a counter-argument to the bullsh*t you guys have been spewing out for months.

Why does this bother you? How do you feel threatened by our views? It's our time, our space here to do just that. We have free will same as you, but why does our exercising in it this way, our direction, seem to make you unhappy and insecure? Because if it didn't, you would not be so vehement in your desire to make us stop.

Because he chose control and is mad that he can't use his Reaper minions to silence any talks of a ending threatening his tyranny.

[chasemme]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

And the top of page 90 goes too.....


EDIT: Not me

STEALING IT


EDIT: Okay, now I just feel silly.

Modifié par chasemme, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:42 .