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[Ozida]

1. Plot & endings
2. Fetch quests
3. Journal - OMG, why would they even touch it in the first place?!

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

1. If you look at the crappy journal, other than the main missions most of them were fetch quests, which most of those could've been actual missions like how ME2 was

Yet you're confusing fetch quests with side missions, which means you should be talking about ME2 along with ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

2. I said they didn't matter because your trying to compare the number of side missions to the other games when that doesn't matter

Yet you're still comparing the amount of side missions even when ME1 outnumbers the balance with ME2 and ME3.

[Blueprotoss]

Ozida wrote...

1. Plot & endings
2. Fetch quests
3. Journal - OMG, why would they even touch it in the first place?!

Here's a question then are you also mad at ME1 and ME2 based on those points?

[BSpud]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

That's not how stories work.
When ME3 condradicted ME1, it was not the fault of ME1 that it got retconned as ME3 was the latest installment the reason a contradiction occured. 
Like the Mass effect book Deception, just because Deception made loads of mistakes that were said to be not true in previous books and games, doesn't mean it was the fault of them, it was Deceptions fault.
Just like the problems are Mass effect 3 fault.

Besides a lot of the plot hole don't even have anything to do with Mass effect 1 or 2.
It's just between ME3 and Mass effect Universe, mostly the fault of ME3 yet again in this case.

This is ironic when Bioware descides what happens in ME even when they didn't contradict themselves.

Omg I'm so happy you're back, Blueprotoss. I was getting bored around here without your comedy stylings.

Edit: oh sh*ts, one post with TWO yets. Yes!

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[darkway1]

Here's a question for you Blueprotoss.........this thread is about Mass3's biggest flaw's........so your thought's on this threads subject is.....?????

[fainmaca]

Blueprotoss wrote...
All I'm saying its nothing new.

I never said it was. I was pointing out that that meant ME3 wasn't the runaway success you seem determined that it is.

If March wasn't accurate then ME3 would have died in March and there are still a lot of ME3 copies being sold.

Where's your proof that ME3 is still selling so well? I have seen nothing to prove this. The market trend of rapidly descending prices contradicts this idea. Besides, saying that ME3 would have died in March is a non-argument. Just because a game underperforms does not mean it automatically dies off. In case you haven't noticed, the franchise as a whole still has a very dedicated following, and many people hang around in the hopes of improvements.

MP has far from declined especially when looking at the N7 challenges.

You know what those challenges are, don't you? Marketing tactics. Methods to boost numbers and increase revenue. Any company does it. If you find your sales numbers lagging behind, you work to promote your product and draw in more business. If MP was really doing so well, they wouldn't need to promote it so shamelessly.

Its easy to take something out of context since Gears and Uncharted were actually mentioned as inspirations based on the cover systems. 

And the other games are mentioned as additional sources of inspiration. Just because he doesn't state what they inspire doesn't make the fact that they have learned and adapted from these franchises any less valid.

But you know what? I'm done debating. This thread was not a place for you to air your defence of the game and shoot down anyone who dared to dislike it. Its a place for us to describe our criticisms of the game.

I'm sorry for taking the thread on this tangent, OP.

In my opinion, the biggest flaw of ME3 is the poor storytelling methods introduced. The story itself hinges on too many leaps of faith on the part of the readers, and prior themes are not addressed in a satisfactory matter. Secondary issues are the sidelining of characters and the lack of attention to choices and their consequences.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. If you look at the crappy journal, other than the main missions most of them were fetch quests, which most of those could've been actual missions like how ME2 was

Yet you're confusing fetch quests with side missions, which means you should be talking about ME2 along with ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

2. I said they didn't matter because your trying to compare the number of side missions to the other games when that doesn't matter

Yet you're still comparing the amount of side missions even when ME1 outnumbers the balance with ME2 and ME3.

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

2.  I'm not comparing the amount to the other games, That was you. I said they could have designed most of the fetch quests sinilar to how they did ME2's side missions

can you pls not straw-mann my comments

[Ozida]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ozida wrote...

1. Plot & endings
2. Fetch quests
3. Journal - OMG, why would they even touch it in the first place?!

Here's a question then are you also mad at ME1 and ME2 based on those points?

No, not really.
1. I could make sense of ME1 and ME2 and I had no "WTF" moments playing those games. I had a lot of "WTF" moments playing ME3, believe me. Besides, I like victorious endings and do not appreciate gloomy dark sacrifice themes.
2. I liked MAKO in ME1 and didn't mind landing on planets too. "Grab-&-run" type of quests got me so bored I couldn't wait to get over all of them in ME3 as fast as possible.
3. Journal system in ME3 is just a joke. It's not even close to ME1 or ME2. It worked so well before, why they changed it all of a sudden?

Modifié par Ozida, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Blueprotoss]

darkway1 wrote...

Here's a question for you Blueprotoss.........this thread is about Mass3's biggest flaw's........so your thought's on this threads subject is.....?????

Everything has a flaw and I'm fine with that.  Also flaws aren't usually bad.

[darkway1]

Blueprotoss wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

Here's a question for you Blueprotoss.........this thread is about Mass3's biggest flaw's........so your thought's on this threads subject is.....?????

Everything has a flaw and I'm fine with that.  Also flaws aren't usually bad.

I'm also fine with problems/issues etc........I'm asking what your issue with the game is..........that's the point of this thread.

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Is English your second language?
Your words are a bit muddled up, in fact nothing in the sentence is coherent. 

Insulting people won't help you especially when you're proven to be in the wrong.  If there was a problem then you would have mentioned it 2 pages ago.

I'm not insulting you, I'm just wondering why a lot of your sentences are not coherent.
And I notice you also have a hard time understanding English, for example in another thread I said the following.

ME3 is not just a video game, some say it is art

You reply talking about how it is a video game.
You failed to comprehend the other part to the sentence, I suggest you take extra English classes.

[Blueprotoss]

fainmaca wrote...

I never said it was. I was pointing out that that meant ME3 wasn't the runaway success you seem determined that it is.

ME3 is a huge success especially when you compare ME3 to ME1 and ME2. 

fainmaca wrote... 

Where's your proof that ME3 is still selling so well? I have seen nothing to prove this. The market trend of rapidly descending prices contradicts this idea. Besides, saying that ME3 would have died in March is a non-argument. Just because a game underperforms does not mean it automatically dies off. In case you haven't noticed, the franchise as a whole still has a very dedicated following, and many people hang around in the hopes of improvements.

NPDs are nothing new and if ME3 was bad then it would have died in its 1st month just like a game called Neverdead.

fainmaca wrote... 

You know what those challenges are, don't you? Marketing tactics. Methods to boost numbers and increase revenue. Any company does it. If you find your sales numbers lagging behind, you work to promote your product and draw in more business. If MP was really doing so well, they wouldn't need to promote it so shamelessly.

A marketing tactic would be free DLC not a multiplayer weekend.  If that was a "real" marketing tactic then Halo, Gears, Red Dead Redemption, and so on wouldn't keep on having multiplayer weekends.

fainmaca wrote...  

And the other games are mentioned as additional sources of inspiration. Just because he doesn't state what they inspire doesn't make the fact that they have learned and adapted from these franchises any less valid.

If they were really inspirations then Gears wouldn't have the only focus out of that list.

fainmaca wrote...  

But you know what? I'm done debating. This thread was not a place for you to air your defence of the game and shoot down anyone who dared to dislike it. Its a place for us to describe our criticisms of the game.

Yet you're arguing not debating.

fainmaca wrote...  

In my opinion, the biggest flaw of ME3 is the poor storytelling methods introduced. The story itself hinges on too many leaps of faith on the part of the readers, and prior themes are not addressed in a satisfactory matter. Secondary issues are the sidelining of characters and the lack of attention to choices and their consequences.

Yet you would have to say the same thing with ME1 and ME2 based on these ME3 assumptions.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Again you're confusing fetch quests with side missions, which means you should be talking about ME2 along with ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

2.  I'm not comparing the amount to the other games, That was you. I said they could have designed most of the fetch quests sinilar to how they did ME2's side missions

Again you're still comparing the amount of side missions even when ME1 outnumbers the balance with ME2 and ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

can you pls not straw-mann my comments

Yet I'm not the one using straw-men here since I'm focusing on facts not opinions.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[I am disappoint]

You will also have to show me where I was proven wrong about plot holes and such.
I'm not even sure you can be proven wrong about obvious plot holes.

[Blueprotoss]

darkway1 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

Here's a question for you Blueprotoss.........this thread is about Mass3's biggest flaw's........so your thought's on this threads subject is.....?????

Everything has a flaw and I'm fine with that.  Also flaws aren't usually bad.

I'm also fine with problems/issues etc........I'm asking what your issue with the game is..........that's the point of this thread.

I don't really have any issues wih ME3 because its the balance between ME1 and ME2.

[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

I'm not insulting you, I'm just wondering why a lot of your sentences are not coherent.
And I notice you also have a hard time understanding English, for example in another thread I said the following.

Insulting people still won't help you especially when you're proven to be in the wrong.  If there was a problem then you would have mentioned it 2 pages ago.

I am disappoint wrote... 

You reply talking about how it is a video game.
You failed to comprehend the other part to the sentence, I suggest you take extra English classes.

Yet ME isn't just a video game series especially when there's an expanded universe with comics and novels.  Its like saying that Halo, Resident Evil, Warhammer, Assassin's Creed, Starcraft, and etc are just video games based on their expanded universes.

I am disappoint wrote...

You will also have to show me where I was proven wrong about plot holes and such.
I'm not even sure you can be proven wrong about obvious plot holes.

The "plot holes" are just nippicks just like how most of the previous "plot holes" on ME3 were proven wrong with the extended explaination in the EC. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[darkway1]

......I'll say no more.

[DirtyPhoenix]

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Oh god.. I'd pay for a DLC that turns those scan quests into actual side missions. Atleast a substantial amount of them.

[v3ct0r]

I would probaly be more happier if they left planet exploring as it was in ME2. Yes it took some time but, it was kind of relax time between missions, and you could actually use minerals for upgrades.
But that's not my main "aggro" of the game. Using same key to cover/sprint/roll/use is main flaw in this game. I died many times ingame because Sheppard didn't quite understood what i was ordering him.
Haven't finished ME3 yet, but so far, i like the game. There were some hard decisions, but that just adds to the flavor.

Modifié par v3ct0r, 09 septembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Again you're confusing fetch quests with side missions, which means you should be talking about ME2 along with ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

2.  I'm not comparing the amount to the other games, That was you. I said they could have designed most of the fetch quests sinilar to how they did ME2's side missions

Again you're still comparing the amount of side missions even when ME1 outnumbers the balance with ME2 and ME3.

AresKeith wrote... 

can you pls not straw-mann my comments

Yet I'm not the one using straw-men here since I'm focusing on facts not opinions.

Blueprotoss you obviously act ignorant and straw-mann people's comment without reading it

This Exchange is over

[AresKeith]

pirate1802 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Oh god.. I'd pay for a DLC that turns those scan quests into actual side missions. Atleast a substantial amount of them.

exactly, most of the fetch quests had potential to be side-missions after you scan the planets and could have added in vehicle gameplay for some of them like Bioware said they would

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss you obviously act ignorant and straw-mann people's comment without reading it

This Exchange is over

How is that since you acting like a Refsual Shepard and I would be Harbinger based on how I'm giving you the facts and you're denying those facts.

AresKeith wrote...

exactly, most of the fetch quests had potential to be side-missions after you scan the planets and could have added in vehicle gameplay for some of them like Bioware said they would

Bioware has no reason to but if that happened then some people would demand that to also happen with ME1 and ME2.   No matter what everyone can't be happy and to expect happiness for all would be a straw-mann itself.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

AresKeith wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Oh god.. I'd pay for a DLC that turns those scan quests into actual side missions. Atleast a substantial amount of them.

exactly, most of the fetch quests had potential to be side-missions after you scan the planets and could have added in vehicle gameplay for some of them like Bioware said they would

this makes me sad/angry again. Damn..

[CannotCompute]

Saying goodbye to Shepard and the lack of blue babies.

[AresKeith]

pirate1802 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. no, I said they could made most of the fetch quests side missions because they could had us scan the planet, moon, or station and land on it

Oh god.. I'd pay for a DLC that turns those scan quests into actual side missions. Atleast a substantial amount of them.

exactly, most of the fetch quests had potential to be side-missions after you scan the planets and could have added in vehicle gameplay for some of them like Bioware said they would

this makes me sad/angry again. Damn..

and I still wanna know why they did what they did to the Journal