From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual.
What exactly is wrong with Day 1 DLC?
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HiddenInWar
, août 30 2012 08:16
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:16
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It honestly doesn't bother me, I just want to know why other people feel this way.
From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual.
From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:19
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from ashes should have been in the game any way that the point dlc should be extra stuff a bonus that you have to pay for
the game should be the only focus dlc should be made once the game is up and running they should be only thinking about making the game work right
the dlc in mass effect 2 was a bonus
the game should be the only focus dlc should be made once the game is up and running they should be only thinking about making the game work right
the dlc in mass effect 2 was a bonus
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:20
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The question is whether or not From Ashes is something that, had DLC not existed as an option, would have been included in the original game to begin with. If you think it would have been, then devs are gutting games to make more money. If you think this was something that they could not have included in the main game because of time/resources without selling it for DLC, then there's no problem.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:24
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It bothers me because:
1. The Prothean race was all over the place during ME1 and even 2, by which I mean it was an important part of the story. The last living Prothean should not be DLC (even though they completely marginalized and dumbed down the Protheans later.)
- This is a cheap shot. They've taken advantage of their fans, knowing they wouldn't pass up the chance to meet a living Prothean.
2. It was finished alongside the game. How does additional content come out the same day as the game? I've never seen anyone do that before. Again, cheap shot.
1. The Prothean race was all over the place during ME1 and even 2, by which I mean it was an important part of the story. The last living Prothean should not be DLC (even though they completely marginalized and dumbed down the Protheans later.)
- This is a cheap shot. They've taken advantage of their fans, knowing they wouldn't pass up the chance to meet a living Prothean.
2. It was finished alongside the game. How does additional content come out the same day as the game? I've never seen anyone do that before. Again, cheap shot.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:25
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Sion1138 wrote...
It bothers me because:
1. The Prothean race was all over the place during ME1 and even 2, by which I mean it was an important part of the story. The last living Prothean should not be DLC (even though they completely marginalized and dumbed down the Protheans later.)
- This is a cheap shot. They've taken advantage of their fans, knowing they wouldn't pass up the chance to meet a living Prothean.
2. It was finished alongside the game. How does additional content come out the same day as the game? I've never seen anyone do that before. Again, cheap shot.
Didn't Fable 3 do that?
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:25
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People assume anything available on launch day should be included in the vanilla game for 60 dollars. Its pretty much just uninformed consumers choosing to assume the worst and then blame and criticize others for the assumptions they made.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:26
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Day One optional DLC? Nothing.
Something of From Ashes' caliber of contextual/thematic relevance? A lot.
Something of From Ashes' caliber of contextual/thematic relevance? A lot.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:28
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dreamgazer wrote...
Day One optional DLC? Nothing.
Something of From Ashes' caliber of contextual/thematic relevance? A lot.
I admit it wasn't as great as Leviathan.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:28
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Imagine you buy an expensive car and when you want to collect it you realize that there are no seats in it. You can drive without seats but you know that something is missing.
Then the salesman talks to you and offers you the seats for an additional amount of money.
What would you think?
Then the salesman talks to you and offers you the seats for an additional amount of money.
What would you think?
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:29
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It's like buying a burger only to find out that the sauce, without which it tastes rather bland, costs extra.
Plus, there's the argument that content made during main development should not be cut out of the product to be sold separately later. Go read the about Prothy's involvement in the earlier leaks.
Plus, there's the argument that content made during main development should not be cut out of the product to be sold separately later. Go read the about Prothy's involvement in the earlier leaks.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:30
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From Ashes was removed from the main game. That much is obvious from the leaked script and from the fact that Javik is a damn Prothean.
Something akin to the Warden's keep DLC, a new adventure with new loot that doesn't majorly affect the plot, and is clearly developed in the interim between the game going gold and release, is fine. Because it's optional, Javik clearly wasn't. Making him DLC was a cheap move.
Something akin to the Warden's keep DLC, a new adventure with new loot that doesn't majorly affect the plot, and is clearly developed in the interim between the game going gold and release, is fine. Because it's optional, Javik clearly wasn't. Making him DLC was a cheap move.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:30
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Bfler wrote...
Imagine you buy an expensive car and when you want to collect it you realize that there are no seats in it. You can drive without seats but you know that something is missing.
Then the salesman talks to you and offers you the seats for an additional amount of money.
What would you think?
I wouldn't count From Ashes as the seats to the car.
The cupholder? Sure.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:30
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HiddenInWar wrote...
Sion1138 wrote...
It bothers me because:
1. The Prothean race was all over the place during ME1 and even 2, by which I mean it was an important part of the story. The last living Prothean should not be DLC (even though they completely marginalized and dumbed down the Protheans later.)
- This is a cheap shot. They've taken advantage of their fans, knowing they wouldn't pass up the chance to meet a living Prothean.
2. It was finished alongside the game. How does additional content come out the same day as the game? I've never seen anyone do that before. Again, cheap shot.
Didn't Fable 3 do that?
yes it did and fable 3 is worse then the first 2 games
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:34
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HiddenInWar wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Day One optional DLC? Nothing.
Something of From Ashes' caliber of contextual/thematic relevance? A lot.
I admit it wasn't as great as Leviathan.
I think he meant that Javik and all the info we get about the Protheans, not to mention how closely tied with the overall philosophy of ME3 Javik's conversations seem to be, are too important as plot points to relegate to DLC. In other words, it was too relevant to be optional. I have to agree.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:38
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What an incredibly stupid question.HiddenInWar wrote...
It honestly doesn't bother me, I just want to know why other people feel this way.
From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:41
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It used to be an incentive to buy the game new and not second hand.
Didn't the previous Bioware games do this?
Seems someone realised it was an easy way to increase the price.
Didn't the previous Bioware games do this?
Seems someone realised it was an easy way to increase the price.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:41
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Nah, it's like ordering a large pizza from Papa John's. When you get the pie you notice that two slices are missing, so you call up the restaurant asking what gives. The employee tells you some bs that the pies are priced on size, not the number of slices, and if you want the two slices then you'll have to shell out some extra cash.HiddenInWar wrote...
Bfler wrote...
Imagine you buy an expensive car and when you want to collect it you realize that there are no seats in it. You can drive without seats but you know that something is missing.
Then the salesman talks to you and offers you the seats for an additional amount of money.
What would you think?
I wouldn't count From Ashes as the seats to the car.
The cupholder? Sure.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:43
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blueumi wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
Sion1138 wrote...
It bothers me because:
1. The Prothean race was all over the place during ME1 and even 2, by which I mean it was an important part of the story. The last living Prothean should not be DLC (even though they completely marginalized and dumbed down the Protheans later.)
- This is a cheap shot. They've taken advantage of their fans, knowing they wouldn't pass up the chance to meet a living Prothean.
2. It was finished alongside the game. How does additional content come out the same day as the game? I've never seen anyone do that before. Again, cheap shot.
Didn't Fable 3 do that?
yes it did and fable 3 is worse then the first 2 games
Well, thankfully I don't give a rat's ass about Fable 3. Lost Chapters was a pretty good game though.
I think I'm just never going to come to terms with the new Bioware.
Oh, and I just hate DLC, no getting around it. It's like, you finish reading a book and then the writer gives you a few new pages somewhere in the middle. What the hell is that about? In ME3, it's the worst. You go through the story and are left baffled and frustrated at the end. Then they sell you some more content somewhere in the story to make sense of things (and they do it poorly).
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:51
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Many people seem to believe they should get all the content created during the development of the game at no extra cost.
Developers tend to avoid any controversies by holding DLCs back for some time, but it hurts the sales as many people move to another game by the time the content is released.
Developers tend to avoid any controversies by holding DLCs back for some time, but it hurts the sales as many people move to another game by the time the content is released.
I would not say that, some things are better, some things are worse. Iconsider it on par with the previous games.blueumi wrote...
yes it did and fable 3 is worse then the first 2 games
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:53
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It was funny how BioWare said it was developed completely separately from ME3.
Like, somebody just accidentally spilled the fully finished character of Javik on the entirely separate ME3 discs.
Like, somebody just accidentally spilled the fully finished character of Javik on the entirely separate ME3 discs.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 08:57
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From Ashes should have been exclusive to the Collectors Edition as a bonus. Bioware gets their extra money and hardcore fans get extra lore. Everybody wins except people who didn't pre-order on time. FYI I pre-ordered a year in advance.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 09:03
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Day 1 DLC makes it seem like consumers don't get the full amount of what they paid for.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 09:08
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Nothing is strictly wrong with Day 1 DLC as a concept, I'd prefer it if the dev wasn't trying to bilk more money out of me before I've opened the box, but that's beside the point.
Where things start to get murky and unethical is when they deliberately slash out content, which is already stored on the disc, and or feature complete before launch, in order to produce this day 1 DLC.
Where things start to get murky and unethical is when they deliberately slash out content, which is already stored on the disc, and or feature complete before launch, in order to produce this day 1 DLC.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 09:11
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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
From Ashes should have been exclusive to the Collectors Edition as a bonus. Bioware gets their extra money and hardcore fans get extra lore. Everybody wins except people who didn't pre-order on time. FYI I pre-ordered a year in advance.
That is idiotic.
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Posté 30 août 2012 - 09:14
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uzivatel wrote...
Many people seem to believe they should get all the content created during the development of the game at no extra cost.
Developers tend to avoid any controversies by holding DLCs back for some time, but it hurts the sales as many people move to another game by the time the content is released.I would not say that, some things are better, some things are worse. Iconsider it on par with the previous games.blueumi wrote...
yes it did and fable 3 is worse then the first 2 games
no fable 1 was really good
2 was a fun game as well
3 was where they messed with everyhting and took away from the things people liked best about the first 2 games
which sure feels like what bioware is now doing with mass effect 3 only mass effect was a much better game so it sucks even more that it is doing a number on it's plot
the enidng undoes all the good work they did before it's a shame
