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[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

[corkey sweet]

robertthebard wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

DLC should never be in the collectors edition.

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

there was a statement from bioware saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

Modifié par corkey sweet, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[Blueprotoss]

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

I don't think you have any proof to back up your false claims.

[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

I don't think you have any proof to back up your false claims.

Yet you should practice what you preach by trying to create a conspiracy here.

[Omega2079]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

I'm not argueing against that point.

My question is: should they offer their customers fewer options for the content they're selling?

Modifié par Omega2079, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

I don't think you have any proof to back up your false claims.

Yet you should practice what you preach by trying to create a conspiracy here.

I take that reply as me been right.

[corkey sweet]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

[Omega2079]

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Modifié par Omega2079, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[HiddenInWar]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

 

DLC regardless is just fun to me 

EDIT: Agreeing with Blueprotoss, Omega hasn't been confirmed even though its likely.

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[Omega2079]

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

How were they misleading? It seemed very clear to me what they were offering.

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

I fail to see how this is corporate deceit? Javik is most certainly not a *vital* part of the story, hes just an add to the roster and is completley optional. 

i think Javik is an important part the story. i coudn't see ME3 being very good without it. I guess its a matter of opinion

Kasumi and Zeead are also optional like Javike while it would be different if Garrus was a DLC character.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Blueprotoss]

Omega2079 wrote...

I'm not argueing against that point.

My question is: should they offer their customers fewer options for the content they're selling?

No problem.

One of the big incentives to CEs is exclusive content and the same can also be said about pre-order bonuses because most of the content isn't sold separately.

[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Well games are sold in a shop for money and not thrown at people for free.
The problem with this is that Bioware/EA cut Leviathan(Which was already finished), From Ashes and Omega( which was probably finished last November) from the main game only to sell them for $30.
Very bad business practices.

I'm pretty sure that you're taking out of your ass here since Omega is a maybe, Leviathan was just recently finished, and From Ashes was finished some time after January before March when Bioware was done with ME3.  DLC is nothing new especially when cut or unfinished content being finshed then sold as a product.  Btw Bioware has been embracing DLC since ME1.

I don't think you have any proof to back up your false claims.

Yet you should practice what you preach by trying to create a conspiracy here.

I take that reply as me been right.

You aren't right at all.

[corkey sweet]

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

How were they misleading? It seemed very clear to me what they were offering.

the original statement was that nothing of Javik was on the disc (proven false). then  they come back with another excuse. This was an obvious intent to misslead. If you can't see that, i can't help you

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

Javik isn't important and his character was only on the disc. The one thats being misleading woud be you.

corkey sweet wrote...

the original statement was that nothing of Javik was on the disc (proven false). then  they come back with another excuse. This was an obvious intent to misslead. If you can't see that, i can't help you.

Javik's character being on the disc is no more misleading then Zeead's and Kasumi's character. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[corkey sweet]

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

Javik isn't important and his character was only on the disc. The one thats being misleading woud be you.

or your logic. i vote the latter

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

Javik isn't important and his character was only on the disc. The one thats being misleading woud be you.

or your logic. i vote the latter

My logic is the truth while your logic are lies.

[corkey sweet]

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

Javik isn't important and his character was only on the disc. The one thats being misleading woud be you.

or your logic. i vote the latter

My logic is the truth while your logic are lies.

your truth is nothing but lies, Javik is on the disc (proven fact) to sit there and pretend Bioware didn't Misslead people is pretty foolish

[HiddenInWar]

Ninja Stan wrote...

There is nothing wrong with wishing that the DLC you want was part of the game to begin with. You play the game, you really like it, you want more content, that's great! That's definitely a compliment to the developers, that the people who buy their games can't get enough of it.

The thing is, some content is planned from the get-go to be DLC. As in, this content was planned all along to be extra content that costs extra money to purchase. There is no "con" here. The price and gist of the content was advertised, its price clearly stated, and its importance to the main game story ranges from optional to OMG MANDATORY, depending on who you ask.

If you want a car analogy, it's like a 100-disc CD player being offered as standard if you buy on the day of the model's release. It's nice to have, but is it mandatory? I suppose it would depend on whether you have an iPod, doesn't it? Should that 100-disc CD changer be in everyone's car?

If you want a burger analogy, it's like being offered pickles on your burger. Some people would say that pickles make the burger, that they are crucial to the enjoyment of a burger. Others say that pickles are optional and aren't necessary or can be added to the burger later by those who want them. Should pickles be on every burger?

If you want a pizza analogy, it's like having anchovies. They are not to everyone's taste, but I love them. I always order my meat lover's pizzas with anchovies and feel they are pretty crucial to my pizza experience. Other people don't like them. Should anchovies be on every pizza?

With these analogies, please keep in mind that the pre-order bonuses are clearly defined. The cost to add later is also clearly defined. People can crow all they like about what the package they purchased "should have" contained. But believing that the 100-CD changer, pickles, or anchovies should always be in every product just because you happen to like those things and/or want those things is a little misguided and completely ignores the opinions of those who may have iPods, may prefer ketchup to be the tart flavour in their burger, or may hate anchovies.

And don't go into how much money is being made or what a given company's profit margin is for which game. You don't need to worry about that. THat shouldn't even factor in to your decision-making process. What you should be considering is:

a) How much do I want this thing?
Do I think this thing is worth the money I will pay for it?
c) Will I buy it?

None of your answers to any of those questions will be wrong.

 


I like those analogies (but seriously, I cant find any pizza shop that sells anchovies. I feel like I'm missing out ) 

And the ABC I also agree with. 

[Omega2079]

corkey sweet wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

How were they misleading? It seemed very clear to me what they were offering.

the original statement was that nothing of Javik was on the disc (proven false). then  they come back with another excuse. This was an obvious intent to misslead. If you can't see that, i can't help you

Where did they actually deny Javik being on disc?

[robertthebard]

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

DLC should never be in the collectors edition.

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

I'd rather see people complaining that they can't have CE material than complaining because they offered it up for sale.  Especially considering that, under the circumstances, the most vocal complainers really are complaining that they got what I got for less money.  Barring, of course, the people that think that they should be entitled to CE material for free, even though they didn't buy it, which is even less of a good place to argue from.  It straight out reads:  My money is worth more than your money.

[corkey sweet]

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

That is exactly my point.  If you want CE material, you should have to buy the CE, not get a bone, and then an excuse to complain about it, or throw out accusations of lying.  From Ashes was CE material, if you bought CE, you didn't have to buy it, as you got it with your copy, on Day 1.  This should have been the only way it was available.

So they should offer their customers fewer choices?

Most of the CE content  aren't available on the marketplace especially when we're talking about the Collector armor and weapons in ME2 and this is also how pre-order DLC usually works as well.

corkey sweet wrote...

there was a video of them saying nothing was on the disc. turned out to be false, that (to me) is lying

All that was on the disc for ME3 was Javik not the mission just like what happened with Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2. 

telling only half the truth, is still lying in my book. (call me crazy) but the intent was to misslead

How were they misleading? It seemed very clear to me what they were offering.

the original statement was that nothing of Javik was on the disc (proven false). then  they come back with another excuse. This was an obvious intent to misslead. If you can't see that, i can't help you

Where did they actually deny Javik being on disc?

its floating around the internet, but i think it was part of the video where the guy hacked the disc and found Javik

[spirosz]

Capcom.

Content already locked on disc, yet they sell it for DLC- it's just DLC in general IMO.

Most DLC's aren't worth some of their prices, yet you know how business works. And the way some developers handle it, doesn't make it seems like a good business practice- CDPR do a really great job with their extra content, free, great quality, but again, subjective. IMO, the Javik should of been included without being DLC because of what he intertwines with Reapers and Protheans in general.

It also depends on the type of game and what the developers want to do with their product, as I believe DICE does a great job with the BF3 DLC content, planned schedule, almost expansion-like quality, etc.

I miss the days of "expansions" in gaming, where the content was worth the money.

Modifié par spirosz, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[BigTuna82]

It was the first material this forum's obligatory group of Twitter/Facebook-raised complainers could get their hands on. Rabble rabble rabble!