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[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:22 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

HiddenInWar wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

 It honestly doesn't bother me, I just want to know why other people feel this way. 

From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual. 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

The whole concept of Day One DLC is, by ALL accounts, a blatant RIPOFF/SCAM!!

To think some idiot conceived this process, and can actually still sleep at night, is unconscionable!

 

I don't think one person conceived it, DLC is simply a practice.

I didn't say DLC persay is a scam(although this can proliferate), I said as a direct response to OP, that DAY ONE DLC is a scam.

[corkey sweet]

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Javik and from Ashes are one in the same. saying From Ashes isn't on the disc, is the same as saying Javik isn't on the disc. Same exact thing in my book. Only Javik is on the disc, and is part of from ashes. So in fact, parts of from ashes are on the disc. which contradicts thier statements

Thats like saying Kasumi and Kasumi's Stolen Memory are the same.  Place holders were used as character files while the rest of the DLC wasn't on the disc. 

corkey sweet wrote...

what's changing? Javik is from ashes. comments where made that from ashes was in no way on the disc. after the accusations, all this changed.

You're position keeps on changing.

my position has been the same. Javik/from ashes (same). parts are on the disc. discounting Their (original) statements about the dlc

[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:22 .

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

my position has been the same. Javik/from ashes (same). parts are on the disc. discounting Their (original) statements about the dlc

From Ashes is nothing different from Kasumi's Stolen Memory with the whole DLC thing.  If you hate one then you must hate the other as well.

[Blueprotoss]

ohupthis wrote...

I didn't say DLC persay is a scam(although this can proliferate), I said as a direct response to OP, that DAY ONE DLC is a scam.

Day 1 DLC is nothing new whether its Warden Keep in DA, gun skins in Gears of War 3, or extra cases in LA Noire.  

[corkey sweet]

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

my position has been the same. Javik/from ashes (same). parts are on the disc. discounting Their (original) statements about the dlc

From Ashes is nothing different from Kasumi's Stolen Memory with the whole DLC thing.  If you hate one then you must hate the other as well.

Kasumi wasn't day 1 dlc. (the title of this tread), but you are correct, i didn't like Kasumi, and i didn't buy it. for me2 i bought shadow broker and Arrival

[HiddenInWar]

ohupthis wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

 It honestly doesn't bother me, I just want to know why other people feel this way. 

From Ashes was a nice add-on so I guess it depends on on the individual. 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

The whole concept of Day One DLC is, by ALL accounts, a blatant RIPOFF/SCAM!!

To think some idiot conceived this process, and can actually still sleep at night, is unconscionable!

 

I don't think one person conceived it, DLC is simply a practice.

I didn't say DLC persay is a scam(although this can proliferate), I said as a direct response to OP, that DAY ONE DLC is a scam.

 

I see two reactions to finding out a game has Day 1 content: 

• Buying the game, seeing it has day 1 DLC and being excited that the game you bought has even more content and even more replay value
• Seeing that after you bought the game, it has Day 1 DLC, and thinking that the corporation is trying to swindle you out of an extra 5-10 dollars.  
  
  To me its just opinions. 

[DarthSliver]

From Ashes shouldve been incentive to buy the game new

[lynch108]

Just a way for them to get a few more bucks. Personally, i think sixty bucks is cheap and would have had no problems paying a hundred for ME3. I paid more money for inferior quality games in the eighties and nineties. Game prices have gotten chapter over the last thirty years. If people don't like it, don't buy it and company will adjust accordingly. I'm not buying dlc due to crappy endings, and i'd pay a hundred bucks for a dlc that fixed them.

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

my position has been the same. Javik/from ashes (same). parts are on the disc. discounting Their (original) statements about the dlc

From Ashes is nothing different from Kasumi's Stolen Memory with the whole DLC thing.  If you hate one then you must hate the other as well.

Kasumi wasn't day 1 dlc. (the title of this tread), but you are correct, i didn't like Kasumi, and i didn't buy it. for me2 i bought shadow broker and Arrival

Yet you're changing your story again because its actually about the Day 1 part even when thats an old practice when ME3 comes out.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

[Blueprotoss]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

If From Ashes was just Javik and his mission then I could see it as a "free" DLC like Zaeed.

[Lennyoh]

www.youtube.com/watch

That pretty much sums up what I feel is wrong with Day one DLC when it's something like From Ashes

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

If From Ashes was just Javik and his mission then I could see it as a "free" DLC like Zaeed.

So, what business model do you prefer?

[Blueprotoss]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

If From Ashes was just Javik and his mission then I could see it as a "free" DLC like Zaeed.

So, what business model do you prefer?

I'm fine with both models.

[Blueprotoss]

Lennyoh wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

That pretty much sums up what I feel is wrong with Day one DLC when it's something like From Ashes

$10 is $10 and From Ashes isn't required to play ME3.

[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

If From Ashes was just Javik and his mission then I could see it as a "free" DLC like Zaeed.

So, what business model do you prefer?

I'm fine with both models.

So, as a consumer, you have no problem with paying 10$ for D1-DLC when you could get it included in the price of the game?

Ok.

[Omega2079]

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Omega2079 wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

When businesses sell products, they're not really giving away things for free. Calling it free is just a way to spin it. Any costs to them -things like charge card fees, shipping, etc- if they don't add them to the price of the products at the time of purchase, are accounted for and integrated into the price before you make the purchase.

I prefer the model where businesses guage the market to the best of their abilities, and based on consumer demand, products either sell well or they don't. I prefer this because it puts responsiblity on the consumer to make decisions based on their preferences. This allows me to make decision for myself, rather than a politician (someone that can never fully understand what's demanded in a market) and it puts presure (scrutiny) on businesses to make the best offers they can.

Yes, Zaeed was included in the price of the game, why wasn't From Ashes treated like that? Bioware, and the industry, is shifting strategies, and I don't like what they're doing.  But fair enough. I stil see something dishonest in removing something as integral as Javik from the main game. Because of how it impacts the story. Before he had been removed, as seen in the leaked script, Javik was written to be the catalyst. How much does that say about Bioware's art if their willing to butcher their script so much for cash?

I have no problem whatsoever with DLC like Warden's Keep for DA:O. That, in my opinion, is how it should be handled. It's a fun side-quest, which was clearly developed in the interim between the game going gold and release. It's optional, Javik clearly isn't.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Paying extra for stuff that is already on the disk you just bought is bull****. That's the bottom line. If a company is going to charge extra for it, don't put it on the disk.

This is like what happened with Leviathan, they put a Liara romance patch in the paid DLC. Right. A game patch that should have been downloadable free that fixed a bug in the game now comes with a paid DLC. Did they issue a patch to fix it otherwise? No.

Zaeed was free.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Omega2079 wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask something to the people defending these crappy business practices here:

Would you, as a consumer, prefer paying for Day-one DLC like you did for "From ashes", or would you like it being given for free with new purchases like Zaeed? As a thank you to people who bought the game?

No "EA isn't a charity", "It's perfectly ok!", "It's been done before" excuses, just tell me, what business model do you prefer?

If From Ashes was just Javik and his mission then I could see it as a "free" DLC like Zaeed.

So, what business model do you prefer?

I'm fine with both models.

So, as a consumer, you have no problem with paying 10$ for D1-DLC when you could get it included in the price of the game?

Ok.

Bundling it all together just makes the price of the game higher. Businesses account for their costs. Making parts in dlc gives you a discount if you don't want certain parts.

ME2's price wasn't higher. Both sold for the same amount. ME2 included Zaeed, ME3 did not include Javik. They're trying to increase their already insane profit margins, but I'm not expected to like it. Hopefully the market will react negatively.

[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:24 .