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[Kathleen321]

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I don't have a problem with day one DLC as long as it is DLC and not content that should have been included with the $60 game I already bought.

From Ashes is just DLC.

Nope. you're wrong.

I got From Ashes with my collector's edition and I can't imagine playing the game without Javik. He is such an inegral part of the stroy line it would feel empty in some scenes without his imput.

[paul165]

Blueprotoss wrote...


I, I you know what screw it. Either you are not reading what I'm writing, you enjoy playing peculiar little semantic games or you really are as bad as the people on the boss fights thread say you are.

There are potentially valid arguments you can make in favour from ashes. Those stupid little games you're playing around whether Zaeed is free or not isn't one so just like Chaotic before me I give up in having this conversation rather than having enduring your strawmaning.

[robertthebard]

Guglio08 wrote...

My issue with this specific instance of Day 1 DLC is that I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition purely because it said "bonus character and mission," only to discover later that I was paying $20 for something everyone else could buy for $10. What else did the CE really provide? A dog you can barely interact with, a few bonus weapons that you couldn't unlock in MP for some time (and irrespective of whether you owned the CE or not), a hoodie, an art book that itself was a smaller version of one they were selling for $40, a Velcro thing that doesn't really work, a "special" case that held the disc in a vice grip which was known to damage or destroy the discs...

ME3's CE was literally pointless, and it's one saving grace was DLC that was then released on the first day. Not only was it removed from the core game and sold after the fact, but people who bought the CE didn't receive any true benefit for that cost.

Shh, we're not supposed to point that out, it takes the fire from their arguement.

[Blueprotoss]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I don't have a problem with day one DLC as long as it is DLC and not content that should have been included with the $60 game I already bought.

From Ashes is just DLC.

 

I imagine people who are against it wouldn't have a problem with it if it didn't come out Day 1, but to each their own. 

This is true while it shouldn't recieve that much hate for being Day 1 DLC even when ME3 is far from the 1st game to do so.

I am disappoint wrote...

Nope. you're wrong.

Yet it is just DLC.  Were you forced to purchase From Ashes with a threat of physical violence? 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:40 .

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I don't have a problem with day one DLC as long as it is DLC and not content that should have been included with the $60 game I already bought.

From Ashes is just DLC.

 

I imagine people who are against it wouldn't have a problem with it if it didn't come out Day 1, but to each their own. 

This is true while it shouldn't recieve that much hate for being Day 1 DLC even when ME3 is far from the 1st game to do so.

So to justify bad things you say other people do it too.
Honestly TIM gets too much hate for his husk project, the Reapers and geth did it too.

[Blueprotoss]

[quote]I am disappoint wrote...

[/quote]So to justify bad things you say other people do it too.[/quote]When something is bad or good its based on opinion.  Either way DLC is still optional.

[quote]I am disappoint wrote.. 

Honestly TIM gets too much hate for his husk project, the Reapers and geth did it too.[/quote]Thats random.

[robertthebard]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I got From Ashes with my collector's edition and I can't imagine playing the game without Javik. He is such an inegral part of the stroy line it would feel empty in some scenes without his imput.

That's odd, because I got him with my game too, and for 6 games, I didn't use him much, and didn't talk to him beyond the initial dialog.  It wasn't until that 6th game, maybe 7th, that I figured out there was more to him than there was to Zaeed and Kasumi in ME 2, you know, cannon fodder with a weapon here and there?  Garrus got a new rifle the first 6 times or so, and that was all I got out of it.  If he had died in the pod, I wouldn't have missed him at all for the longest time.

[Eterna]

I didn't like the from ashes dlc debacle either. But I'm not stupid enough to blame Bioware, if it was removed from the main disk I know it wasn't their decision, that decision came from their greedier higher ups AKA EA overlords.

Modifié par Eterna5, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:51 .

[drayfish]

From what I understand, the Javik character was in the original design concepts and script of the primary game (as was indicated in the Art Book included in the EC). His dialogue was written and recorded at the same time as the primary cast, and his narrative feeds directly into the main narrative, offering a singular account of a race of beings we were tasked with trying to understand, and the cycles of extermination that we were compelled to stop.

Again - I'm not weighing in on whether it is wrong for Bioware to sell him separately, that is their right - but it is misleading to suggest that he was wholly additional to the original game in the manner that Zaeed and Kasumi (whose narratives were insulated from the main quest) were. His story, character interactions and impact upon the primary plot were by necessity integrated into the overall game structure.

Again: Bioware/EA have every legal right to sell whatever they want as they please, and we the option to choose not to purchase. I do however think it's wrong for them to make clear promises not to sell such core-narrative materials separately, then go ahead to do so anyway, pretending to be surprised at the backlash of fans expressing their disappointment.

[Blueprotoss]

paul165 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I, I you know what screw it. Either you are not reading what I'm writing, you enjoy playing peculiar little semantic games or you really are as bad as the people on the boss fights thread say you are.

I didn't know that you were me while you should be mimicing me instead of acting like yourself.

paul165 wrote... 

There are potentially valid arguments you can make in favour from ashes. Those stupid little games you're playing around whether Zaeed is free or not isn't one so just like Chaotic before me I give up in having this conversation rather than having enduring your strawmaning.

I'm not strawmanning at all.  Either way Zaeed isn't "free" and if you hate Javik then you must hate Kasumi as well.

[Blueprotoss]

 

robertthebard wrote...

Guglio08 wrote...

My issue with this specific instance of Day 1 DLC is that I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition purely because it said "bonus character and mission," only to discover later that I was paying $20 for something everyone else could buy for $10. What else did the CE really provide? A dog you can barely interact with, a few bonus weapons that you couldn't unlock in MP for some time (and irrespective of whether you owned the CE or not), a hoodie, an art book that itself was a smaller version of one they were selling for $40, a Velcro thing that doesn't really work, a "special" case that held the disc in a vice grip which was known to damage or destroy the discs...

ME3's CE was literally pointless, and it's one saving grace was DLC that was then released on the first day. Not only was it removed from the core game and sold after the fact, but people who bought the CE didn't receive any true benefit for that cost.

Shh, we're not supposed to point that out, it takes the fire from their arguement.

Please explain because most people that buy CEs are to get the extra content whether its physical or digital.  Either way its up to make a choice on optional things like CEs and DLC.

robertthebard wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I got From Ashes with my collector's edition and I can't imagine playing the game without Javik. He is such an inegral part of the stroy line it would feel empty in some scenes without his imput.

That's odd, because I got him with my game too, and for 6 games, I didn't use him much, and didn't talk to him beyond the initial dialog.  It wasn't until that 6th game, maybe 7th, that I figured out there was more to him than there was to Zaeed and Kasumi in ME 2, you know, cannon fodder with a weapon here and there?  Garrus got a new rifle the first 6 times or so, and that was all I got out of it.  If he had died in the pod, I wouldn't have missed him at all for the longest time.

Its your choice to use Javik just like paying the DLC in the 1st place.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[HiddenInWar]

I am disappoint wrote...

DLC should never be in the collectors edition.

 

Didn't pay that much attention to the CE, might have to check it out.

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

So to justify bad things you say other people do it too.

When something is bad or good its based on opinion.  Either way DLC is still optional.

I am disappoint wrote.. 

Honestly TIM gets too much hate for his husk project, the Reapers and geth did it too.

Thats random.

So genocide being good or bad, is based on opinion?

Modifié par I am disappoint, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[I am disappoint]

Needless to say, I am right.

[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

So genocide being good or bad, is based on opinion?

Genocide is a part of nature just like death itself.

I am disappoint wrote...

Needless to say, I am right.

Thats an opinion not a fact on that topic. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[HiddenInWar]

I am disappoint wrote...

Needless to say, I am right.

 

Everyone is right in this thread, no one is wrong because everyone has opinions and so on 

[Omega2079]

 

Modifié par Omega2079, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:25 .

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Genocide is a part of nature just like death itself.
Thats an opinion not a fact on that topic. 

That's just your opinions. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

So genocide being good or bad, is based on opinion?

Genocide is a part of nature just like death itself.

I've never heard of genocide being conducted by anything but humans with some sort of agenda or prejudice. 

It's most certainly not just a part of nature and regardless it's not something to be condoned. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Blueprotoss]

 

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Genocide is a part of nature just like death itself.
Thats an opinion not a fact on that topic. 

That's just your opinions.

Is the Neanderthal still around?  Nope because they were killed off by our homosapien ancestors.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I've never heard of genocide being conducted by anything but humans with some sort of agenda or prejudice.

It's most certainly not just a part of nature and regardless it's not something to be condoned.

Mass extinctions can be labeled as genocides and one example is the Neanderthal.

I don't codon genocide while its happens in nature.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[HiddenInWar]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

So genocide being good or bad, is based on opinion?

Genocide is a part of nature just like death itself.

I've never heard of genocide being conducted by anything but humans with some sort of agenda or prejudice. 

It's most certainly not just a part of nature and regardless it's not something to be condoned. 

 

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I've never heard of genocide being conducted by anything but humans with some sort of agenda or prejudice.

Mass extinctions can be labeled as genocides and one example is the Neanderthal.

Eh what? A genocide is a deliberate action. The Neanderthals were not systematically destroyed because some jerks didn't like them.

Mass extinctions are only genocides if they're carried out with intent. 

So unless you're arguing that something divine is responsible, it's always going to be humans doing it to other humans. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[HiddenInWar]

Okay, enough about genocide, that is off topic...and quite frankly a little unsettling.

[Seneva]

Day 1 DLC smells like "we didnt had enough time to script it properly in the game before shipping so we just gonna say it's a day 1 dlc"

DLC's shouldnt start untill a month after release day.
Bug fixing should have 100% priority after release day and not a 5 euro day1 dlc.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eh what? A genocide is deliberate. The Neanderthals were not systematically destroyed because some jerks didn't like them.

Mass extinctions are only genocides if they're carried out with intent. 

So unless you're arguing that something divine is responsible, it's always going to be humans doing it to other humans. 

Most of the mass extinctions aren't done on purpose and humans aren't the only thing in nature.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:41 .