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[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I like DLC, LOTSB is my favourite part of Mass Effect 2.

I have no problem agreeing with this.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Day 1 DLC of the importance of From Ashes doesn't sit right with me. Not exactly sure why yet. To me, it gives the impression that BioWare were making it, saw the deadline for final version was coming, chucked what they had on the disc, and decided to make us pay a heap extra in relative terms just because it wasn't done in time, asif it was going to be part of the whole game but obviously they couldn't finish it. I'm not entirely sure why that means they have to charge 800 points for comparitively little work.

Thats okay to feel like this while a similar scenario happened with Kasumi's Stolen Memory in ME2.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Knowing that From Ashes is based around things that were even more important to the plot in early development, it just gets me a little irritated.

To be fair far From Ashes isn't a priorty but Leviathan is a priorty when you look at overall story in ME.

[Peranor]

drayfish wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Again: you are wrong.  It is not me you are arguing with - it is language itself.

 Yet its not as accurate as you think and you aren't the embodiment of language.

drayfish wrote...

Please, I'm not trying to be a jerk.  Read any dictionary.  Any one of them.

Yet every dictionary varies from each other on wording and there are multiple definitions in every dictionary.

Okay.

What you have done there is show that you are actually incapable of argument.  Without consulting a single source to back up your claim you have dismissed the entire history of that word's application.  It is like saying 2 plus 2 equals 5.  There is literally nowhere that you will be able to find evidence for what you have just said beyond your own imagination.

There is no wiggle room - no: but sometimes 'blue' also means 'sad'. This is not about grammar.  You are not Wittgenstein.  A word like 'genocide' has a specific and deliberate meaning, and to devolve its application in the manner you are suggesting robs the term of its meaning entirely.

Honestly, I was trying to help you.  If you are headcanonning language itself - changing definitions to suit your own interpretations - you are saying to everyone who reads your posts that you are incapable of any discussion at all.  It says that what you offer is not argument, it is ignorance clouded with arrogance.

For your own sanity's sake, just give up 
If you look up the word "insane troll logic" on tvtropes you'll see what it is that Blueprotoss is trying to do.

[drayfish]

anorling wrote...

For your own sanity's sake, just give up 
If you look up the word "insane troll logic" on tvtropes you'll see what it is that Blueprotoss is trying to do.

Thank you.  Truly anorling, thank you.  I was starting to think I was losing my mind - which I guess is probably the point of such behaviour.

To everyone in this thread: I apologise.  Clearly that was a complete waste of time that threatened to derail the discusion.

(I'm a teacher so my 'crazy specious nonsense' radar was going mental.)

I will be more mindful of Blue in the future.

Modifié par drayfish, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:08 .

[ShepnTali]

drayfish wrote...

anorling wrote...

For your own sanity's sake, just give up 
If you look up the word "insane troll logic" on tvtropes you'll see what it is that Blueprotoss is trying to do.

Thank you.  Truly anorling, thank you.  I was starting to think I was losing my mind - which I guess is probably the point of such behaviour.

To everyone in this thread: I apologise.  Clearly that was a complete waste of time that threatened to derail the discusion.

(I'm a teacher so my 'crazy specious nonsense' radar was going mental.)

I will be more mindful of Blue in the future.

No, you're not alone.

[RiouHotaru]

Technically, there's NOTHING wrong with From Ashes.

Javik being a Prothean doesn't make him relevant to ME3's plot. Casey said so, a few of the devs said so, and when the game actually came out...lo and behold, he wasn't critical. Sure, he added some interesting insights to the game and made us aware of how the Asari got to where they are, but overall, Javik added NOTHING critical.

Your gameplay experience isn't diminished for NOT having him.

[Blueprotoss]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Technically, there's NOTHING wrong with From Ashes.

Javik being a Prothean doesn't make him relevant to ME3's plot. Casey said so, a few of the devs said so, and when the game actually came out...lo and behold, he wasn't critical. Sure, he added some interesting insights to the game and made us aware of how the Asari got to where they are, but overall, Javik added NOTHING critical.

Your gameplay experience isn't diminished for NOT having him.

Some people just want to let the world burn and I'm surprised about the sheer amount of negativity that appeared.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[HiddenInWar]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Technically, there's NOTHING wrong with From Ashes.

Javik being a Prothean doesn't make him relevant to ME3's plot. Casey said so, a few of the devs said so, and when the game actually came out...lo and behold, he wasn't critical. Sure, he added some interesting insights to the game and made us aware of how the Asari got to where they are, but overall, Javik added NOTHING critical.

Your gameplay experience isn't diminished for NOT having him.

 

Exactly! If he was that important he would have been on disk, not DLC. Its just a fun few missions and a roster slot added.

[The Night Mammoth]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Technically, there's NOTHING wrong with From Ashes.

Javik being a Prothean doesn't make him relevant to ME3's plot.

http://community.us....?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

Considering how the Protheans are basically one of the story's most important plot elements, that seems............... odd, to say so.

Your gameplay experience isn't diminished for NOT having him.

From experience: yes, it would have been. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[ShepnTali]

It's not absolutely necessary but Javik is a giant step in making the squad more interesting. James doesn't cut it.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[HiddenInWar]

ShepnTali wrote...

It's not absolutely necessary but Javik is a giant step in making the squad more interesting. James doesn't cut it.

 

I like both. 

They aren't perfect but they aren't bad either

[Peranor]

Don't be silly. Javik is important. So important you have to pay extra for him in fact.

[Blueprotoss]

HiddenInWar wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

It's not absolutely necessary but Javik is a giant step in making the squad more interesting. James doesn't cut it.

 

I like both. 

They aren't perfect but they aren't bad either

They're the odd couple.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[corkey sweet]

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Javik and from Ashes are one in the same. saying From Ashes isn't on the disc, is the same as saying Javik isn't on the disc. Same exact thing in my book. Only Javik is on the disc, and is part of from ashes. So in fact, parts of from ashes are on the disc. which contradicts thier statements

They're not the same. You've got a framework for a character, then you have as a sepearate download, the playable content.

If we follow your logic, any character in the main game that has a part in From Ashes, is also a part of it, therefore, the whole game is part of the dlc.

you can't get Javik without the DLC. it is not the same as other characters already in the game. Javik is a  squad member with full squad banter (hackers proved this is whats on the disc) it is not the "framework" of javik thats on the disc. its proven to be Javik himself, along with his squad banter

[Blueprotoss]

corkey sweet wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Javik and from Ashes are one in the same. saying From Ashes isn't on the disc, is the same as saying Javik isn't on the disc. Same exact thing in my book. Only Javik is on the disc, and is part of from ashes. So in fact, parts of from ashes are on the disc. which contradicts thier statements

They're not the same. You've got a framework for a character, then you have as a sepearate download, the playable content.

If we follow your logic, any character in the main game that has a part in From Ashes, is also a part of it, therefore, the whole game is part of the dlc.

you can't get Javik without the DLC. it is not the same as other characters already in the game. Javik is a  squad member with full squad banter (hackers proved this is whats on the disc) it is not the "framework" of javik thats on the disc. its proven to be Javik himself, along with his squad banter

Javik is a placeholder like Kasumi however you will still miss out on 3/4 of the content thats in From Ashes.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Omega2079]

corkey sweet wrote...
 ...its proven to be Javik himself, along with his squad banter

That is a framework. That's how they work. Programming is very modular and heavily relies on abstraction. To not make a game the size of ME3 that way is horribly ineffiecient.

Modifié par Omega2079, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:12 .