So much for your "technological dark ages" blather.Emzamination wrote...
Skyrim? Buggiest game of 2011, dragons flying backwards and all that? Yes I may of heard something of it.
I'm not. I'm talking about the Spell system in Skyrim, not the powers, shouts, or Perks system.I can't believe your comparing 'powers' to the bg and nwn's venetian magic system.
Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .
Yrkoon wrote...
I'm not. I'm talking about the Spell system in Skyrim, not the powers, shouts, or Perks system.
Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:10 .
Yrkoon wrote...
Again, I'm not talking about Shouts or Perks.
I'm talking about the SPELL system.
And "memorization" is not required for a system to be defined as Vancian, otherwise, BG2 and NWN wouldn't be considered Vancian, since both have the Sorcerer class, which doesn't need to memorize spells at all.
Yrkoon wrote...
Again, I'm not talking about Shouts or Perks.
I'm talking about the SPELL system.
And "memorization" is not required for a system to be defined as Vancian, otherwise, BG2 and NWN wouldn't be considered Vancian, since both have the Sorcerer class, which doesn't need to memorize spells at all.
Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:26 .
Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:23 .
Yrkoon wrote...
It's a variaion of the vancian system
You have to purchase or find spells. You also have to "prepare" the spell(s) you're going to be using, (equipping them, and choosing which ones you're going to favorite for quick-use, as opposed to just placing them all in a quickbar like you do in games like Dragon Age)
There's also one-time use Scrolls
Yrkoon wrote...
Yes, people like me who have played Skyrim, know skyrim's magic system. We know it far better than someone who's total exposure to it is limited to you tube.
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Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:52 .
wsandista wrote...
Oh god Emzamination is talking out her ass again.
Anyways....
Vancian magic systems are quite good.(They aren't a "cancer") I find that they can actually help to balance the classes actually.
See, in DA Mages can toss out insanely powerful spells that made other classes look like ****s and just wait for the cooldown to be able to throw them out all over again. This made them quite a bit overpowered. In NWN2, mages could throw out insanely powerful spells also, but after they were used up for the day, most foes could kick their scrawny asses without breaking a sweat. So having a Warrior character and a Rogue character in the party looks more appealing, since they can protect the mages and deal with threats so the mage conserves their spells.
Since DA will almost certainly not be using a vancian system, I have a suggestion.
Significantly reduce the recovery rate for mana regeneration, have OMGWTF spells with very long cooldowns, and make mages much frailer than rouges and toothpicks compared to warriors. Also more varied spells with a variety of uses.
That will create a different kind of party balance(one where every class has it's proper role), and make magic more interesting.
Emzamination wrote...
Pausanias wrote...
Hurray for progress!
Indeed, gaming must keep moving ever forward and never look back
Emzamination wrote...
venetian magic system.
Emzamination wrote...
ventian spell system
Emzamination wrote...
The spell system bares no semblance to Venetianin design
Modifié par Mr Fixit, 03 septembre 2012 - 11:39 .
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Emzamination wrote...
Pausanias wrote...
Hurray for progress!
Indeed, gaming must keep moving ever forward and never look back
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I'm pretty sure he meant Frail in relation to the signficantly unfrail nature of other classes, like Warriors, who thrive on the front lines of the battlefield going toe to toe . But to answer your question, They should be physically weaker because they don't work out 16 hours a day like warriors. They don't rely on their muscles and reflexes to kill opponents. They don't carry heavy shields and swing massive steel blades and chop people's heads off for a living. Instead, they wear robes. They use their staves as walking sticks, and destroy people with magical energy they channel from another plane of existance.Realmzmaster wrote...
Why should mages be frail? What prevents a mage from being as fit as a warrior?
Yeah, those would be fighter-mages., or "spellswords". On the balance scale, Fighter-mages are not as frail as pure mages, and not as physically imposing and invunrerable as pure fighters of the same level, (dual-class fighter-mages can't cast spells while wearing armor) they're something in between.D & D allowed fighters to dual class as a mage or vice versa.
Totally agreed, but were we discussing leveling?The gamer should have the ability to level the mage as the gamer sees fit.
Because Bioware said so. That's why. In DA2, you can indeed take your mage and pump your strength and Constitution in order to wear Heavy armor, but then you'd suck ass as a mage. And to add insult to injury, you wouldn't even receive the offense benefits that a warrior with equal strength gets.If the gamer wants to pump up stength and constitution to wear plate armor and still cast spells with the mage why should that be limited?
Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:46 .
Mr Fixit wrote...
How can anyone take anything you write seriously, when not only you're incessantly rude, but you can't even express your thoughts in a consistent manner.
Emzamination wrote...
Mr Fixit wrote...
How can anyone take anything you write seriously, when not only you're incessantly rude, but you can't even express your thoughts in a consistent manner.
Do you have nothing better to do than to try and bait me? Don't get me wrong, the attention makes me blush but troll bait just isn't my thing
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