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[MerchantGOL]

you know op iam sorry this thread just turned into another never ending cat fight over opinions

[brettc893]

If you need help to like the ending, then you should probably just NOT like it and move on like the rest of us.

Or flamebait people.

[Hudathan]

MerchantGOL wrote...

you know op iam sorry this thread just turned into another never ending cat fight over opinions

No kidding.

[movieguyabw]

Didn't really enjoy the ending, myself, but from everything I've read, the people who do like the ending tend to:

1. Enjoy bittersweet/tragic ends. Nothing wrong with that; I'm more of a "happy ending" sort of person, myself, but occasionally do enjoy the catharthis which comes from a darker ending
2. Have headcanoned, either the ending, or various things about the story, which allows the ending to make sense to them. This may be as simple as Roleplaying Shepard as having a natural distrust towards synthetics, during the span of the 3 games
3. Have taken something different away from the previous titles, that a lot of us ending-haters have not. *shrug* I, personally, never saw the previous games as being about sacrifice and loss, because I didn't lose anyone (except for Kaiden), who I didn't already see as a Red Shirt.

[Kamfrenchie]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...


Dude, I have some scientific backgound,

  I'm having a real hard time beliving



Saren and TIM didn't have ther DNA changed, your comparison is irrelevant, and impant don't appear with energy alone

Except they do read the evolution comic book, those implants came from the energy, the implants gave T.I.M the abiity to understand the languages of every species






I've studied science a fair bit, the amount of enzymes and other chemical substance in your  body would mess you up badly if your DNA changed abruptly.

Since no one is sick or dying the Wave adjusts for that obviously

Andhah, you don't know what the shockwave iss, care to ell me how you can justify it then ? Somehow the cruibl can generate an almost endless amount of super intelligent nanomachines, spread them in al direcction at high speed through space an make em use the mass relays ? please.

Well if their nano machines being carried on the energy wave that spans entire galaxies they dont need Direction as for how their genrated  i imagine the tech in the crucible/Catalyst is advanced enough to create them

Thats quite a higher tech than what the reaper use.

Well 1. the reapers didn't build the crucible, 2 i dont agree with this statment.


You need to instruct all the nanomachines, that's why you need to know where evryone is and what their DNA is, because various factors like the solar radiation, pollution and stress would affect the process too. Do your research.

They wouldnt because of how its carried the energy cant be stoped it effects every thing  it u get shocked you get "iinfected"

Oh, but silly me, thesenanomachines know everything, hurray ! I just wonder how, with all ths tec, the reapers couldn't do their own cruciblen or find the plans for it and destroy them, or ot find lios, nor the various prothean artifact, nor the leviathans, and I think you get the point

 those things arent related, also again they didnt build the crucible, the reapers found asolution that worked and didnt do any hting diffrent till an outside factor introduced a diffrent varriable, they kept tech at the same level so they could controll it. what ever race made the crucible or atleast came up with using the citadel and mass relays as a deliver system were ingenuisly using the reapers own short sightedness as  a loophole

ll, i tell you about scientific background an you answer with a meh comic, really that's hilarious

first, the evolution comic book is never aluded to ingame, thy don't even recommnd you to read it, game should be self suficient in storytelling. 2nd, this comic is mediocre and the story is pretty meh. And if a comictold you apple could dvour you, i'd become a fact ?
t's bs, energy don't reate implant, and memory isn't stored in DNA, basic science for you

You can't justify the synthesis with what  we se after it hs happened, that's part of the thing i'm refuting. I'm saying his conclusion is wrong ad makes no sense


The reapers built the citadel, the crucible is a an energy source, remember ? L2 ME3
Therefore synthesis is he work of reaper tech



Oh my, nnomachines don't need instructions ? dude, all machines/computers require instructions to work.



And sigh, you don't even know wha you're talking about, you're describing space magic. Pollution and solar  radiation can  effect  the DNA in nefarious ways, so they ar important factors.


And right, a race designed a weapon to work wih something they would never hav access to anymore and didn't know in detail...riight




I'm sorry dude, but its obvios you don't know what you're talkin about

[MerchantGOL]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...


Dude, I have some scientific backgound,

  I'm having a real hard time beliving



Saren and TIM didn't have ther DNA changed, your comparison is irrelevant, and impant don't appear with energy alone

Except they do read the evolution comic book, those implants came from the energy, the implants gave T.I.M the abiity to understand the languages of every species






I've studied science a fair bit, the amount of enzymes and other chemical substance in your  body would mess you up badly if your DNA changed abruptly.

Since no one is sick or dying the Wave adjusts for that obviously

Andhah, you don't know what the shockwave iss, care to ell me how you can justify it then ? Somehow the cruibl can generate an almost endless amount of super intelligent nanomachines, spread them in al direcction at high speed through space an make em use the mass relays ? please.

Well if their nano machines being carried on the energy wave that spans entire galaxies they dont need Direction as for how their genrated  i imagine the tech in the crucible/Catalyst is advanced enough to create them

Thats quite a higher tech than what the reaper use.

Well 1. the reapers didn't build the crucible, 2 i dont agree with this statment.


You need to instruct all the nanomachines, that's why you need to know where evryone is and what their DNA is, because various factors like the solar radiation, pollution and stress would affect the process too. Do your research.

They wouldnt because of how its carried the energy cant be stoped it effects every thing  it u get shocked you get "iinfected"

Oh, but silly me, thesenanomachines know everything, hurray ! I just wonder how, with all ths tec, the reapers couldn't do their own cruciblen or find the plans for it and destroy them, or ot find lios, nor the various prothean artifact, nor the leviathans, and I think you get the point

 those things arent related, also again they didnt build the crucible, the reapers found asolution that worked and didnt do any hting diffrent till an outside factor introduced a diffrent varriable, they kept tech at the same level so they could controll it. what ever race made the crucible or atleast came up with using the citadel and mass relays as a deliver system were ingenuisly using the reapers own short sightedness as  a loophole

ll, i tell you about scientific background an you answer with a meh comic, really that's hilarious

  You  verry suspect "scientific backround only acounts for so far in a  universe that had diffrent rules  suck as eezo and mass effect feilds

first, the evolution comic book is never aluded to ingame, thy don't even recommnd you to read it, game should be self suficient in storytelling.

Irelevant its still presented there as a fact.

2nd, this comic is mediocre and the story is pretty meh. Even more irrelevent

And if a comictold you apple could dvour you, i'd become a fact ?

For the universe it was in yes.

t's bs, energy don't reate implant, and memory isn't stored in DNA, basic science for you

1. Energy dose implant in mass effect.

2. i don't know where gnetic memory came up but that is a scientific theroy.

You can't justify the synthesis with what  we se after it hs happened

Accept you can, the enrgy field spreads through out the galaxy and alterds the celurar structure of all organics, we have the means to as established that the energy from a single mass realy can effect an entire system. we and have a president Via Evolution.

The reapers built the citadel, the crucible is a an energy source, remember ? L2 ME3
Therefore synthesis is he work of reaper tech

Iam not saying the crucible dosen't stem from reaper tech it still wasn't made or designed by reapers.


Oh my, nnomachines don't need instructions ? dude, all machines/computers require instructions to work.

befor they are sent out they are givven a simple order what ever u  hit  thats organice change it. after that  they just need to ride the energy


And sigh, you don't even know wha you're talking about, you're describing space magic. Pollution and solar  radiation can  effect  the DNA in nefarious ways, so they ar important factors.

Were not talking about DNA were talking about energy.

And right, a race designed a weapon to work wih something they would never hav access to anymore and didn't know in detail...riight

multiple races made it, iam sure who ever came up with  that  innovation probly planned a  last suicide attempt  to get there that didnt go as well as it did for shepard




I'm sorry dude, but its obvios you don't know what you're talkin about

First of all i know exactly what your talking about and your wrong, 

second of all if your gonna attempt to talk down to some one learn how to ****ing spell, it will goo along way to avoid you looking like a person who talks big but  actualy knows very little.

[Hudathan]

movieguyabw wrote...

Didn't really enjoy the ending, myself, but from everything I've read, the people who do like the ending tend to:

1. Enjoy bittersweet/tragic ends. Nothing wrong with that; I'm more of a "happy ending" sort of person, myself, but occasionally do enjoy the catharthis which comes from a darker ending
2. Have headcanoned, either the ending, or various things about the story, which allows the ending to make sense to them. This may be as simple as Roleplaying Shepard as having a natural distrust towards synthetics, during the span of the 3 games
3. Have taken something different away from the previous titles, that a lot of us ending-haters have not. *shrug* I, personally, never saw the previous games as being about sacrifice and loss, because I didn't lose anyone (except for Kaiden), who I didn't already see as a Red Shirt.

First, the ending isn't some grim dark thing that people hyped them up to be. It's certainly 'gritty' but no more than your average war story simply taken to galactic proportions. It's certainly even more upbeat since the release of the Extended Cut. Unless the protagonist dying in two out of three endings is just that devastating to some people.

Secondly, the ending makes plenty of sense for plenty of people within the context of the story itself especially now that EC and Leviathan are out. No headcannon is required to take the ending at face value for those people. This whole concept of 'make sense' is honestly just a baseless opinion to me at this point.

And third, sacrifice and loss has always been a major part of the story but would naturally come to the forefront in ME3 because IT'S A GALACTIC WAR. Suffice to say that everything would be amplified in a conflict as epic as fighting against the Reapers. Of course ME3 does something different from the previous titles: it's about something that wasn't in those games.

Modifié par Hudathan, 31 août 2012 - 03:42 .

[MerchantGOL]

Hudathan wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Didn't really enjoy the ending, myself, but from everything I've read, the people who do like the ending tend to:

1. Enjoy bittersweet/tragic ends. Nothing wrong with that; I'm more of a "happy ending" sort of person, myself, but occasionally do enjoy the catharthis which comes from a darker ending
2. Have headcanoned, either the ending, or various things about the story, which allows the ending to make sense to them. This may be as simple as Roleplaying Shepard as having a natural distrust towards synthetics, during the span of the 3 games
3. Have taken something different away from the previous titles, that a lot of us ending-haters have not. *shrug* I, personally, never saw the previous games as being about sacrifice and loss, because I didn't lose anyone (except for Kaiden), who I didn't already see as a Red Shirt.

First, the ending isn't some grim dark thing that people hyped them up to be. It's certainly 'gritty' but no more than your average war story simply taken to galactic proportions. It's certainly even more upbeat since the release of the Extended Cut. Unless the protagonist dying in two out of three endings is just that devastating to some people.

Secondly, the ending makes plenty of sense for plenty of people within the context of the story itself especially now that EC and Leviathan are out. No headcannon is required to take the ending at face value for those people. This whole concept of 'make sense' is honestly just a baseless opinion to me at this point.

And third, sacrifice and loss has always been a major part of the story but would naturally come to the forefront in ME3 because IT'S A GALACTIC WAR. Suffice to say that everything would be amplified in a conflict as epic as fighting against the Reapers. Of course ME3 does something different from the previous titles: it's about something that wasn't in those games.

Well said

[Kamfrenchie]

Hudathan wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Strategically speaking (yes i'm into strategy aswell), the reapers behaviour is objectively stupid. And i mean really stupid, like Gamelin's plan in WW2

The council is still at the citadel, thy can still block the relay and gain instant win by docking with it. It should be their priority numbr 1, it's only basic logic. It has always worked for them.


Again, why are we gathering fleet whn the objective is to build to cucible and we cant face a serious assaultby th reapers ? It's like gthering men to shot at a tank with  SMG, you on't achieve anything. If the reapers attack the crucble we can't defend it because they ar much stronger, hence why gthering flets in the first place makes no sense

How does taking the Citadel equate with instant win? Their goal is to harvest all advanced organic species. That takes time and effort no matter where they start. If they wanted to instantly win then they could have just showed up before we even had starships and killed everyone when they're defenseless.

The Reapers are not interested in winning a war as human beings would understand it. They have a specific plan to implement and taking our worlds is basically the crux of that plan. Again, why fly by all the systems you're going to harvest when you can just get right to the harvesting? What's more crippling than losing all your bases right off the bat rather than just your capital?

The same plan no longer works this cycle, that's already been proven in ME1 and further explain in ME2 Arrival. The Reapers no longer had a back door into the galaxy, they gotta fly there the old fashioned way. They deviated from their usual logic because it has already failed by the end of ME1, it's time for a different but equally effective plan. They simply brute forced their way into the galaxy and it's the same result as if they had came through a relay.

What do you mean why the galaxy is combining its fleets? Just because you don't plan on winning a long term war conventionally doesn't mean you dont need weapons for the hail mary plan you came up with. That's like saying the Rebels shouldn't need ships because all they can do is try to blow up the Death Star while the Emperor is on it. The Rebels can't beat the Empire in a straight up fight so they shouldn't try to mobilize for their one daring strike for victory?

well i'll make it simple for you since you seem to be missing the point.

the reaper have the surprise adantage because no one believe sheprd, tel me the attacks didn't take eeryone with their pants down

Here are 2 plans, guess which one is better ?

A) the current reaper plan : hit earth first, let shepard go about hhis business freely because mass relays are open. Let the galaxy gather forces, build the crucible and kill several reapers. and you know th rest

take the citadel first: the council is killed, they get data on all system of every race AND THEY CAN SHUT DOWN  THE MASS RELAY. Shepard is stuck in whatver system he was atm. No big allie fleet, no escape for hacket, no krogan reinforcements for the turians. Everyone is trapped and ready to be harveted, isolated, litteraly lambs to the slaughter.

Which is best ?


And the rebel alliance doesn't use  a hail mary solution, hey shoot the weakpoints of thir ennemy, hey don't build crucible, and tey can reliably tak down star destroyers, irrlevant comparison.

But yeah, had the been making a crucible andif they could barly take down 1 sta destroyer, gathherin a hug fleet ispretty much pointless

[Kamfrenchie]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...


Dude, I have some scientific backgound,

  I'm having a real hard time beliving



Saren and TIM didn't have ther DNA changed, your comparison is irrelevant, and impant don't appear with energy alone

Except they do read the evolution comic book, those implants came from the energy, the implants gave T.I.M the abiity to understand the languages of every species






I've studied science a fair bit, the amount of enzymes and other chemical substance in your  body would mess you up badly if your DNA changed abruptly.

Since no one is sick or dying the Wave adjusts for that obviously

Andhah, you don't know what the shockwave iss, care to ell me how you can justify it then ? Somehow the cruibl can generate an almost endless amount of super intelligent nanomachines, spread them in al direcction at high speed through space an make em use the mass relays ? please.

Well if their nano machines being carried on the energy wave that spans entire galaxies they dont need Direction as for how their genrated  i imagine the tech in the crucible/Catalyst is advanced enough to create them

Thats quite a higher tech than what the reaper use.

Well 1. the reapers didn't build the crucible, 2 i dont agree with this statment.


You need to instruct all the nanomachines, that's why you need to know where evryone is and what their DNA is, because various factors like the solar radiation, pollution and stress would affect the process too. Do your research.

They wouldnt because of how its carried the energy cant be stoped it effects every thing  it u get shocked you get "iinfected"

Oh, but silly me, thesenanomachines know everything, hurray ! I just wonder how, with all ths tec, the reapers couldn't do their own cruciblen or find the plans for it and destroy them, or ot find lios, nor the various prothean artifact, nor the leviathans, and I think you get the point

 those things arent related, also again they didnt build the crucible, the reapers found asolution that worked and didnt do any hting diffrent till an outside factor introduced a diffrent varriable, they kept tech at the same level so they could controll it. what ever race made the crucible or atleast came up with using the citadel and mass relays as a deliver system were ingenuisly using the reapers own short sightedness as  a loophole

ll, i tell you about scientific background an you answer with a meh comic, really that's hilarious

  You  verry suspect "scientific backround only acounts for so far in a  universe that had diffrent rules  suck as eezo and mass effect feilds

first, the evolution comic book is never aluded to ingame, thy don't even recommnd you to read it, game should be self suficient in storytelling.

Irelevant its still presented there as a fact.

2nd, this comic is mediocre and the story is pretty meh. Even more irrelevent

And if a comictold you apple could dvour you, i'd become a fact ?

For the universe it was in yes.

t's bs, energy don't reate implant, and memory isn't stored in DNA, basic science for you

1. Energy dose implant in mass effect.

2. i don't know where gnetic memory came up but that is a scientific theroy.

You can't justify the synthesis with what  we se after it hs happened

Accept you can, the enrgy field spreads through out the galaxy and alterds the celurar structure of all organics, we have the means to as established that the energy from a single mass realy can effect an entire system. we and have a president Via Evolution.

The reapers built the citadel, the crucible is a an energy source, remember ? L2 ME3
Therefore synthesis is he work of reaper tech

Iam not saying the crucible dosen't stem from reaper tech it still wasn't made or designed by reapers.


Oh my, nnomachines don't need instructions ? dude, all machines/computers require instructions to work.

befor they are sent out they are givven a simple order what ever u  hit  thats organice change it. after that  they just need to ride the energy


And sigh, you don't even know wha you're talking about, you're describing space magic. Pollution and solar  radiation can  effect  the DNA in nefarious ways, so they ar important factors.

Were not talking about DNA were talking about energy.

And right, a race designed a weapon to work wih something they would never hav access to anymore and didn't know in detail...riight

multiple races made it, iam sure who ever came up with  that  innovation probly planned a  last suicide attempt  to get there that didnt go as well as it did for shepard




I'm sorry dude, but its obvios you don't know what you're talkin about

First of all i know exactly what your talking about and your wrong, 

second of all if your gonna attempt to talk down to some one learn how to ****ing spell, it will goo along way to avoid you looking like a person who talks big but  actualy knows very little.

I've studied chemistry and i follow scintific news smartass, nd yes this is about a new DN, don't yo remeber th catayst speech ?
Yo don't know that you're talking about.

that comic isn't in he gam, it's never lluded to, it doesn't work. They even have the sam rifles they ue way after the end of the war between turian and humans inthis comic, talk about a paradox

BUt hey, impress me with your undrstanding. Do you know how "evolutio"n works when a specie is confronted to say, a new climate/disease/condition/environment ? Let's see if you know how things work

[LiarasShield]

The Only way the ending can be ok is if you can somehow trust the reaper intelligence in the last 10 minutes of the story but before we go any further

Remember all the people who trusted the reapers beforehand

The illusive man and saren the doctor and her men from arrival

The collectors

Anyone who has ever tried to trust the reapers have been idoctrinated or only perished before even for the leviathans this no different I can't believe the reaper intelligence since it has only tryed to cause harm to me and the entire galaxy during the whoie series

[NM_Che56]

plfranke,

Lets tackle your core issue: 
it abandoned the core themes of Mass Effect.

What are the themes that you've identified?

[hostaman]

MerchantGOL wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Are you gonna actually listen to the feed back and accept the validity of the opinions of others or are you just argue if you see some thing you don't agree with?

I'm not going to argue. If I see something you say though that I don't understand I will question it though. For instance if some just says "I Love Synthesis!" and their explanation of it is something like it's just beautiful. I'll ask How do you deal with Husks and Cannibals having self awareness now. Stuff like that. But no I'm through with arguing.

well ill start with broad reasons.

It is shot and scored epicly for starters, angles used, dialouge spoken, the music the imagery is all grand.

moving on to the more complex story reasons. i find it to be the perfect ender to the serise,  its always been about choice, big  Choices and they aren't easy, they cant be Betrayal and genocide has always been presented as a viable option as far back as me1. Futher more The first me game set the tone for the serise perfectly where in the span of an half an hour you not only are forced to sacrafice a squad mate and potential love intrest, but you can gun down a freind in some what cold blood. These are the stakes and main themes the game was founded on Choice, Sacrafice, and questionable methods. and the ending lives up to the promise the first  game made completley to me.

Shepard Sacrafices himself, making the choice he feels is the best for every one he fights for, it cant and should not be an easy choice. vicotry should not be some thing easily and completly acomilished when facing the threat they did. Shepard giving every thing for every one is the perfect cap to his character and his story [even if he survies  he still went into it beliving he would die]

The choices all have their pros and cons, and they both have some forshadowing.

Alot of Critisim comes from syntheisi  for having it no Explenation [it dose It is a confirmed fact  people can be implanted via energy] forshadowing [It dose: Saren, Shepard himself]. and that  it may rid  gnetic diversity no these are debatable, but  people  fail to see the overwhelming postive the races of the galaxy now have a bridge and a path to a true lasting  peace via understanding.

Control is the best ending for me because shepard lives on in way but  he can also safegaurd the galaxy, i do not belive a paragon shepard will become a dictator, after the rebuilding the most i see him doing out side construction [even thats a maybe] is steping in to stop an armed conflict. Leaving shepard as the eternal garudian makes for a fitting end to my  cannon shepard.

+1000000   Very well written, and some of the reasons why I also enjoyed the ending.

I would add, that it also writes the story of how biotics will always want to create AI. This starts with the EDI's goes through the Geth and ends up with the Reapers. That is the one thing the Catalyst is designed to do, to stop Biotics from making that leap, by keeping them in thier place - like controlling animal populations.  Through Shepherds ability to bring together different races and synthetics the Catalyst realises that it's role is redundant, and gives Shephard the choice to change the cycle.

Of course this is just my interpretation, which is one of the other reasons the ending is so satisfying. I love that not every question is anwered. Like great films and TV with ambiguous endings like Bladerunner, 2001, Inception, BSG, Lost, the endings fire up your imagination.

Oh and yes the music is fantastic, and the stargazer scene is inspired.


I am prepared to be trolled into oblivion by one line writers. Bring it on. 

[wafflez]

Don't fight it. Let the hate flow through you.

[Ranger1337]

Just play Gangnam Style while you watch the ending .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Can't help you there OP

[Ithurael]

OP My sig will help you...It helped me

Trust me

Modifié par Ithurael, 31 août 2012 - 12:41 .

[Kamfrenchie]

hostaman wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Are you gonna actually listen to the feed back and accept the validity of the opinions of others or are you just argue if you see some thing you don't agree with?

I'm not going to argue. If I see something you say though that I don't understand I will question it though. For instance if some just says "I Love Synthesis!" and their explanation of it is something like it's just beautiful. I'll ask How do you deal with Husks and Cannibals having self awareness now. Stuff like that. But no I'm through with arguing.

well ill start with broad reasons.

It is shot and scored epicly for starters, angles used, dialouge spoken, the music the imagery is all grand.

moving on to the more complex story reasons. i find it to be the perfect ender to the serise,  its always been about choice, big  Choices and they aren't easy, they cant be Betrayal and genocide has always been presented as a viable option as far back as me1. Futher more The first me game set the tone for the serise perfectly where in the span of an half an hour you not only are forced to sacrafice a squad mate and potential love intrest, but you can gun down a freind in some what cold blood. These are the stakes and main themes the game was founded on Choice, Sacrafice, and questionable methods. and the ending lives up to the promise the first  game made completley to me.

Shepard Sacrafices himself, making the choice he feels is the best for every one he fights for, it cant and should not be an easy choice. vicotry should not be some thing easily and completly acomilished when facing the threat they did. Shepard giving every thing for every one is the perfect cap to his character and his story [even if he survies  he still went into it beliving he would die]

The choices all have their pros and cons, and they both have some forshadowing.

Alot of Critisim comes from syntheisi  for having it no Explenation [it dose It is a confirmed fact  people can be implanted via energy] forshadowing [It dose: Saren, Shepard himself]. and that  it may rid  gnetic diversity no these are debatable, but  people  fail to see the overwhelming postive the races of the galaxy now have a bridge and a path to a true lasting  peace via understanding.

Control is the best ending for me because shepard lives on in way but  he can also safegaurd the galaxy, i do not belive a paragon shepard will become a dictator, after the rebuilding the most i see him doing out side construction [even thats a maybe] is steping in to stop an armed conflict. Leaving shepard as the eternal garudian makes for a fitting end to my  cannon shepard.

+1000000   Very well written, and some of the reasons why I also enjoyed the ending.

I would add, that it also writes the story of how biotics will always want to create AI. This starts with the EDI's goes through the Geth and ends up with the Reapers. That is the one thing the Catalyst is designed to do, to stop Biotics from making that leap, by keeping them in thier place - like controlling animal populations.  Through Shepherds ability to bring together different races and synthetics the Catalyst realises that it's role is redundant, and gives Shephard the choice to change the cycle.

Of course this is just my interpretation, which is one of the other reasons the ending is so satisfying. I love that not every question is anwered. Like great films and TV with ambiguous endings like Bladerunner, 2001, Inception, BSG, Lost, the endings fire up your imagination.

Oh and yes the music is fantastic, and the stargazer scene is inspired.


I am prepared to be trolled into oblivion by one line writers. Bring it on. 

you meant, organics, not biotics. Why is th catalyst even letting civilisations arise when his goal is to preserve organic life (a rabbit is as much organic life as you are ) and when they are the root of the problem ?

Kill every civilisation that arise, it's much more efficient.

+ the endings don't solve the synthetic problem at all. Dstroy don't, as more synthetic can be created.

Same for control, eventually the galaxy will grow strong enough to get rid of the reapers/telll sheprd to bug off.
Not to mention we were fighting aginst that idea the whole game.

Synthesis won't solve it without brainwashing. + true organics no longe exist. The hybrid will still ned tools fo their tasks, tool that wll become more an more complex and intelligents, eventually someone wil creae new "pure" synthetics an or make something like the geth.
Alsso, forced eugenics...


Let the galaxy burn

[I am disappoint]

I'm too tired, but I can't help you, too many of your brain cells would need to die first.

[SpamBot2000]

Certainly not, I would never advocate the use of illegal intoxicants.

[Kamfrenchie]

Hudathan wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Didn't really enjoy the ending, myself, but from everything I've read, the people who do like the ending tend to:

1. Enjoy bittersweet/tragic ends. Nothing wrong with that; I'm more of a "happy ending" sort of person, myself, but occasionally do enjoy the catharthis which comes from a darker ending
2. Have headcanoned, either the ending, or various things about the story, which allows the ending to make sense to them. This may be as simple as Roleplaying Shepard as having a natural distrust towards synthetics, during the span of the 3 games
3. Have taken something different away from the previous titles, that a lot of us ending-haters have not. *shrug* I, personally, never saw the previous games as being about sacrifice and loss, because I didn't lose anyone (except for Kaiden), who I didn't already see as a Red Shirt.

First, the ending isn't some grim dark thing that people hyped them up to be. It's certainly 'gritty' but no more than your average war story simply taken to galactic proportions. It's certainly even more upbeat since the release of the Extended Cut. Unless the protagonist dying in two out of three endings is just that devastating to some people.

Secondly, the ending makes plenty of sense for plenty of people within the context of the story itself especially now that EC and Leviathan are out. No headcannon is required to take the ending at face value for those people. This whole concept of 'make sense' is honestly just a baseless opinion to me at this point.

And third, sacrifice and loss has always been a major part of the story but would naturally come to the forefront in ME3 because IT'S A GALACTIC WAR. Suffice to say that everything would be amplified in a conflict as epic as fighting against the Reapers. Of course ME3 does something different from the previous titles: it's about something that wasn't in those games.

the slides pretty much show you a happy  ending with rainbows and all if you have dcent ems, the cot is barely touched. HOw many plnets in ruins ? how many refugees lacking basic supplies ?

That's how it should look like

Modifié par Kamfrenchie, 31 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[TJBartlemus]

 If you don't like the ending then look at it in another perspective. Like WNT.  (For those who don't know click link) 

http://social.biowar.../index/13474338

[Xamufam]

Remove your brain, otherwise it's not possible

Modifié par Troxa, 31 août 2012 - 09:02 .

[D24O]

No, OP! You must never like the ending, I will stop at nothing to keep you from it.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

plfranke wrote...

I hate the ending so much. I feel as if it abandoned the core themes of Mass Effect. However, I've seen some people that like it. If there is one logical, intelligent person on this board that liked the ending, please come here and give me your reasons why. I'm tired of the arguing between ending haters and ending lovers. I already know all the reasons to hate the ending, now I want to know the reasons to like it.

The breath scene.  But don't blink or you'll miss it. 

That's pretty much all I got.....