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[Taddl]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
Choosing one of the
three(original) ending requires your Shepard to suddenly believe the
catalyst is telling him/her the truth and this is belief that have
absolutely no foundation in what Shepard have experienced so far, The
reapers are manipulative and deceitful and Shepard knows that, So why
would he/she ever trust the catalyst..oh right for meta gaming
reasons.

But even if you dont trust the catalyst, why would doing nothing be a better option than trying something. The game (sadly) established that you cant win a conventional war. And a big part of the galactic fleet and army is already destroyed when you are on the citadel so believing in a conventional victory is pretty hard.

Whats the worst thing that could happen if the catalyst lies to you? You could lose. But you lose if you do nothing.

[blueumi]

no destroy is the only option bioware want to make us pick the ending they like even though it's the worst option

[Anacronian Stryx]

Taddl wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
Choosing one of the
three(original) ending requires your Shepard to suddenly believe the
catalyst is telling him/her the truth and this is belief that have
absolutely no foundation in what Shepard have experienced so far, The
reapers are manipulative and deceitful and Shepard knows that, So why
would he/she ever trust the catalyst..oh right for meta gaming
reasons.

But even if you dont trust the catalyst, why would doing nothing be a better option than trying something. The game (sadly) established that you cant win a conventional war. And a big part of the galactic fleet and army is already destroyed when you are on the citadel so believing in a conventional victory is pretty hard.

Whats the worst thing that could happen if the catalyst lies to you? You could lose. But you lose if you do nothing.

It's ****ty situation but it is only logical for your Shepard to believe that whatever the catalyst (and by proxy) the reapers offers is going to make everything worse, Shepard has no reason to believe anything else except if you're meta gaming. so yeah refuse is the only option.

It's kind of like if the joker had batman cornered - would batman believe anything the the joker said or offered?

[Inprea]

Leviathan didn't change my choice of endings. It just gave Shepard something else to do after taking control of the reapers in my head cannon. Drag them up from the depths and put them on trial for assault, murder, genocide well I guess the genocide sort of trumps all the other charges but just the same. Use the ship logs you discovered as proof of the malicious intent of their crimes as well as call in Bryson's daughter for further evidence.

I guess the jury would need to be all geth though to insure the leviathan didn't tamper with their minds.

[Little Princess Peach]

The dlc made me want to destroy everything even more the dlc made casper more stupid/and dangerous

[Taddl]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
It's ****ty situation but it is only logical for your Shepard to believe that whatever the catalyst (and by proxy) the reapers offers is going to make everything worse, Shepard has no reason to believe anything else except if you're meta gaming. so yeah refuse is the only option.

It's kind of like if the joker had batman cornered - would batman believe anything the the joker said or offered?

My point was: How could it possibly get worse?

/edit: You cant compare the catalyst to the joker. The only goal for the joker is to destroy. The AI has a goal: peace between organics and synthetics. If there was a more practical solution than doing the cycles the AI would most likely do it because it was programmed for it.

Modifié par Taddl, 31 août 2012 - 04:45 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Nope. The galaxy needs defending more than ever. Control is still a go.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Taddl wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
It's ****ty situation but it is only logical for your Shepard to believe that whatever the catalyst (and by proxy) the reapers offers is going to make everything worse, Shepard has no reason to believe anything else except if you're meta gaming. so yeah refuse is the only option.

It's kind of like if the joker had batman cornered - would batman believe anything the the joker said or offered?

My point was: How could it possibly get worse?

Crucible is one big powersource, We are told this several times, and you just handed it over to the reapers so it's not hard to imagine that it would somehow grant the reapers instant victory, In fact it is far more believable than any of the options the catalyst offers.

[Taddl]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
Crucible is one big powersource, We are told this several times, and you just handed it over to the reapers so it's not hard to imagine that it would somehow grant the reapers instant victory, In fact it is far more believable than any of the options the catalyst offers.

Why isnt Synthesis believable? The leviathans themselves stated that they created the AI to stop the conflict between organics and synthetics. So synthesis is a permanent solution to the AIs core programing.

[garrusfan1]

Destroy is the only choice in my opinion (unless refuse is changed). So no it did not change it

[Elorin Silverblade]

Nope, still going Destroy.

[Blackvista]

The Leviathan says that the Catalyst has been speeding the cycles up to improve the efficiency of an "experiment" that the Catalyst is running as it tries to find something to "fulfill its purpose." This "clarifies" one thing for me: Synthesis is the Catalyst's choice. It's the option its leading you to pick... because Shepard is that "something."  Shep is the template that the Catalyst can use to force synthesis on the rest of the galaxy. So yeah, if you pick synthesis, in my mind, at least.. you are condoning the slaughter of countless trillions.

(and I guess the other options represent the catalyst thinking "Shep won't pick them" or "if Shep doesn't pick synthesis, I'm not doing this another million times so kill me or replace me.")

At any rate, I can't say I love what I saw.. because in addition to this new spin on the Catalyst's logic...Leviathan also emphasizes the fact that the reapers are just scary puppets... and worse, it makes them into a cheap knock-offs of something creepier... Lovecraftian monsters that lurk in the deepest recesses of a world.... their thoughts reaching up to control whoever lives on the surface...

Modifié par Blackvista, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[Master Xanthan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nope. It just made me want to choose Destroy even more.

To end their pointless existence, retarded logic and severe case of delusional superiority.

But Destroy only kills all Synthetics. The Leviathans are organic, so Destroy wouldn't kill them. 

[AsheraII]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nope. It just made me want to choose Destroy even more.

To end their pointless existence, retarded logic and severe case of delusional superiority.

But Destroy only kills all Synthetics. The Leviathans are organic, so Destroy wouldn't kill them. 

And the problem with that is? I don't see it.
Leaves room for another episode of Mass Effect.

[Master Xanthan]

AsheraII wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nope. It just made me want to choose Destroy even more.

To end their pointless existence, retarded logic and severe case of delusional superiority.

But Destroy only kills all Synthetics. The Leviathans are organic, so Destroy wouldn't kill them. 

And the problem with that is? I don't see it.
Leaves room for another episode of Mass Effect.

There's nothing wrong with it. But I don't see how the dlc would make you want to choose Destroy even more unless Destroy also killed off the Leviathans. 

[Galbrant]

No.

[Someone With Mass]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nope. It just made me want to choose Destroy even more.

To end their pointless existence, retarded logic and severe case of delusional superiority.

But Destroy only kills all Synthetics. The Leviathans are organic, so Destroy wouldn't kill them. 

So?

I sincerely doubt that they can destroy or take over all of our fleets. Especially when we know how to shield ourselves from their indoctrination.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Nope all still suck for the exact same reasons.

[o Ventus]

Why would it?

[Lunch Box1912]

Yes absolutely after playing the Leviathan DLC I re-thought my Destroy choice, my new concern was after I destroy the Reapers who is going to stop the Leviathan from taking back control, they described in dialogue every species was there tool. There only fear is the Reapers, which is their own AI’s creation (the catalyst). I thought gee wow maybe Tim is right, control is necessary to maintain the status quo of the galaxy. Then I wondered if I stay Destroy maybe the galaxy would be able to manage and get along with the Leviathan and fight back if Levi tried to control everyone.

So in fear of a new evil do I choose control as a safeguard? Or stay Destroy and hope they don’t try to control everyone?

[Lunch Box1912]

Synthesis is not an option for me neither is refusing… my Shep, my imagination, my cannon either control or destroy

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[Shermos]

I still go with control. The leviathan only reinforced my belief that control is the best option. But that said, if Bioware chooses to make synthesis canon, I would be ok with that. Anything but destroy imo.

Modifié par Shermos, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Shermos]

It would be interesting though if Bioware made a series of games each based on one ending. It's easier to choose a canon though.

[JohnZord]

No. But I was expecting to see the Leviathans added to the batte at the end.

We need to see our War Assets in action please!

[Volc19]

Not really. In fact, now I have all the more reason to pick Control. If the Leviathans get uppity with me, I can send the fleet in and crush them into sushi rolls.

...though, I'm not sure why almost none of the Destroyers are discouraged. I mean, I realize that Destroy has almost reached "Pre-EC-IT" levels of dogmatic approval on the BSN, but the future seems pretty bleak. The Leviathans are still out there, still want the Galaxy back, and we're still recovering from the losses Destroy presents (the extermination of the Geth and the loss of an oppertunity to study Reaper tech effectively). I mean, usually Shepard is still around in that ending, but I'm not sure if that would be enough.