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[Ferah84]

OK firstly I want to make clear that I have accepted the endings of ME3 and this thread is mainly to explore how story-based DLC could open new possibilities for ME3 endings.

What I love most about ME games is playing through the story and creating a main character thats unique to you. I was really happy with the extended cut as it fleshed out the ending and explained the choices you make in more depth. In that aspect I thought the game was great and I really liked thinking about how Shepard's actions and choices benefited the galaxy in the end.

Now here's the downside. The endings felt so final. I felt so miserable saying goodbye to my Shepard (I chose reaper control, so essentially she's neither dead or alive). I would've chosen destroy to see her survive (I tried that afterwards), but I felt that would go against everything my Shepard accomplished concerning the Geth and Quarians. As for the synthesis ending? I just didn't like that option very much.

No matter how I look at it, I feel I'd keep choosing the control option for this particular Shepard (my favourite Shepard). As bittersweet as it is, presented with these three options, control is what she'd choose. So in effect the ME3 endings sort of kills the re-playability of this character for me because I've just accepted her ending.

Despite knowing how the game ends, I did play the Leviathan DLC yesterday (from just before the mission at the Illusive man's base) but I did so with little optimism for my Shepard's own future (it felt a bit like digging up a grave and letting zombie-Shepard walk loose for a bit). Story wise the DLC was interesting and if I didn't know what the ending was going to be like I'd have been very enthusiastic to get through it - but the problem is that I do know how it ends and that killed my enjoyment of playing through the DLC (though I loved the graphics, the water and the underwater sequences were amazing *o*) . After finishing the DLC I was a little curious about how it might've affected the ending but unfortunately not curious enough to play to that point .

So that got me thinking, I paid quite a lot for ME3 when it first came out and I was hoping to enjoy it each time I play it. None of the endings actually make me want to play the game over again (though I do enjoy playing the game up till the point just before reaching the Citadel from Earth at least).

I was wondering if future story based DLC like Leviathan could possibly unlock new endings/consequences more in favour for letting Shepard have a brighter ending (like a special ending you can only achieve by playing though DLC)? I think I'd be more willing to buy DLC (plus more importantly enjoy playing it) if that were the case.

What does everyone else think?

Side note: I definitely think there should be DLC/special missions concerning each of the companions. For example; helping Garrus find his sister (chance to see a female turian), helping Kaidan find his biotics squad (maybe Rana makes an appearance) etc. Even if the endings don't change, I think ME3 may be the only chance to find out more about the companions pasts.        

Modifié par Ferah84, 31 août 2012 - 10:20 .

[N7 Shadow Liara]

No! Clearly, bioware said they had finished wtih the ending and there will be no change!

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 31 août 2012 - 10:18 .

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 31 août 2012 - 10:18 .

[Ferah84]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

No! Clearly, bioware said they had finished wtih the ending and there will be no change!

True. I just thought I'd bring it up because playing the Leviathan DLC seemed a little empty to me for the reasons I stated in the post (but I had to play it anyway ^^; ).

[Charcolt]

I don't see why Leviathan couldn't unlock new endings. Even without a conventional victory, the Leviathan artifacts still could be used in a new control ending where Shepard doesn't die. Future DLC could add to other endings.

[prizm123]

you do get new dialogue options with Leviathan

[Tronar]

That's exactly my problem with ME3. I played ME1 and ME2 several times with different characters and attitudes and it was a lot of fun. For the already famous reason the ending of ME3 didn't motivate me at all to start another ME3 playthrough. Even Leviathan DLC didn't change that.

When the EA servers were down some days ago, I started another Campaign on Insanity (to get the last two missing achievements). I am right now on Mars, but couldn't motivate myself again to continue playing.

The Multiplayer is a lot of fun, but the campaign is somehow dead for me. Unless I get to explore one of my teammates (like you mentioned playing Garrus or maybe Urdnot Wrex or Grunt) or REALLY get to change the ending, there is just no motivation for me.

I am not saying I am boycotting Bioware or anything like that. It's just that I am not hooked anymore. When a new DLC for ME2 came out, I bought it IMMEDIATELY and had to play it through the same day.

Now Leviathan is out for days and I didn't really consider downloading it so far. To play it, I would have to "resurrect" my dead Shepard from my one and only playthrough or get my Insanity run to the point to be able to start the new mission. Both options just don't appeal to me at the moment. Maybe this will change some time. But I have the feeling, I am not alone and Bioware's insistence on their artistic integrity (nice euphemism for below-average-storywriting by the way) will hurt them financially in the end.

[saracen16]

Not likely. Leviathan as a DLC actually validates the Crucible ending. For it to lead to a completely different ending would be ludicruous and make the entire trilogy plot irrelevant.

[GimmeDaGun]

I think it's time to drop this whole ending issue and move on guys.

I myself hated the original version of the ending - it ruined the game for me - but with the EC and now with Leviathan I think it is quite decent an ending for this awesome sci-fi , even if it is not the usual or traditional happy ending one would expect. I'm quite happy with it as it is right now. Bioware won't change the ending. Embrace it as it is, or if you hate it, then just move on with your lives.

What ME3 needs right now is a few great subplot dlcs which let us further explore the universe and which further deepens the lore (more reapers, protheans, cerberus, new or familiar worlds etc.).

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 31 août 2012 - 01:16 .

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

I kinda felt the same way Ferah did, I just played the leviathan dlc just to say I did it. I couldn't really get invested because I knew it wouldn't affect the overall outcome of the game. I liked that it explained a little more about the reapers, but all it did overall was leave a sour taste in my mouth. These beings of massive power who could wipe out a reaper with a mere thought, are just hiding out underwater despite having to exert little to no effort to fight said reapers off. It also just raised more questions (well, I had these questions from the main campaign anyway) LIke why do almost all the reapers we see look the same? If at the end of every cycle, the harvested races are used to create a new reaper, how did they all end up looking like squids? Why was the reaper at the collector's base seemingly the first humanoid looking one despite the reapers having harvested bipedal races before? (as recently as the protheans)

It was nice dlc to play through, though I admit it would have been nicer to have an extra ending because of it, the leviathans showering destruction on the reapers without having to sacrifice the other synthetics in the cycle such as the geth.

[CyberMiguel]

Biowaresaid the endings were final and that's it. They make no sense now, but i think they will make sense.

How?

Simple: they sold us a game with an incomplete ending.

Let me explain: imagine you get to the ending. In there you get a picture with a white background where there are 2 figures out of focus. It makes no sense at all, but then the EC came and brought focus to the picture. Still makes no sense, but now we know how it is.

Then came the Leviathan Dlc and suddenly you got some background in the picture. It begins making sense, but there's still inconsistency with the rest of the picture.

What I believe it will happen is that with future DLC,more and more background and context will be added to the picture, so when they release the final ME3 DLC, we'll have the complete picture and it will actually make sense.

Read "the puzzle theory" if you want to know more

[Ferah84]

Charcolt wrote...

I don't see why Leviathan couldn't unlock new endings. Even without a conventional victory, the Leviathan artifacts still could be used in a new control ending where Shepard doesn't die. Future DLC could add to other endings.

Thats what I was thinking too. Maybe not change the existing endings exactly but add more to them - but I guess Bioware would have to find ways to integrate any new material carefully so it fits with the main story to do this.

[darkhorsedan72]

CyberMiguel wrote...

Biowaresaid the endings were final and that's it. They make no sense now, but i think they will make sense.

How?

Simple: they sold us a game with an incomplete ending.

Let me explain: imagine you get to the ending. In there you get a picture with a white background where there are 2 figures out of focus. It makes no sense at all, but then the EC came and brought focus to the picture. Still makes no sense, but now we know how it is.

Then came the Leviathan Dlc and suddenly you got some background in the picture. It begins making sense, but there's still inconsistency with the rest of the picture.

What I believe it will happen is that with future DLC,more and more background and context will be added to the picture, so when they release the final ME3 DLC, we'll have the complete picture and it will actually make sense.

Read "the puzzle theory" if you want to know more

And they expect people to swallow that? DLCs are essentially extras that people can buy, the ending should work on its own merit without having to pay for extra content to understand it. I don't care how much backtracking they do through DLC to validate their endings, as they stand right now the endings are poor and inconsitent with the themes and tone of the rest of the games. If this DLC is their first step in trying to 'foreshadow' and explain what is going on in the last 10 minutes of the game then it has come too late. Why couldn't they do this in the game they released in the first place?

Modifié par darkhorsedan72, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[I am disappoint]

I will not sacrifice my integrity. I''ve made too many compromises already; too many regretful purchases from EA. They invade our wallets and we fall back. They assimilate our favorite worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done.
Keep your DLC, I don't want it.

[Ferah84]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I think it's time to drop this whole ending issue and move on guys.

I myself hated the original version of the ending - it ruined the game for me - but with the EC and now with Leviathan I think it is quite decent an ending for this awesome sci-fi , even if it is not the usual or traditional happy ending one would expect. I'm quite happy with it as it is right now. Bioware won't change the ending. Embrace it as it is, or if you hate it, then just move on with your lives.

What ME3 needs right now is a few great subplot dlcs which let us further explore the universe and which further deepens the lore (more reapers, protheans, cerberus, new or familiar worlds etc.).

I do agree with you about the endings. I really liked the EC and it gave closure to my Shepard's story but it was quite depressing and final. I think this is why playing through Leviathan seemed a little pointless for me (I usually look forward to playing DLC) because I know there's no changing Shepard's fate and it felt like I was playing a walking dead person =__=. I'd still buy DLC though, just to get more story and gameplay - but I'm feeling unmotivated to play through to the end because it just gets too depressing for me. 

I just thought, if the ME3 DLC does add more to the endings (other than some extra dialogue), something more positive, I wouldn't have this doomed feeling each time I play ME3 .

[Hudathan]

You don't need this DLC to understand the game nor the ending. It provides some clarity but it's not necessary to the completion of the game. If you're the type of person who wants to know as much about this story as possible and don't mind the idea of DLC's then you would buy it. If not then don't buy it. It's cool either way.

[Ferah84]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

It was nice dlc to play through, though I admit it would have been nicer to have an extra ending because of it, the leviathans showering destruction on the reapers without having to sacrifice the other synthetics in the cycle such as the geth.

I like the sound of that idea

[luzburg]

i dont understand why bioware didnt add on the endings cause of the levitihans. it just seems so cheap of them. they could have saved the endings so many times now and they cling to simply stupid ideals of art

but for me im okay with destroy cause shepard lives and the Leviathan DLC cause it formes a future for the mass effect frachise. those crabs may be "frendly" now but you all know what they really want

[Warrior Craess]

saracen16 wrote...

Not likely. Leviathan as a DLC actually validates the Crucible ending. For it to lead to a completely different ending would be ludicruous and make the entire trilogy plot irrelevant.

uggh, how exactly does it validate the crucible?

It's explains the catalyst in more detail. It provides history to the reapers. And the catalyst. 

It makes no mention of the crucible at all. 

I will agree though, that it doesn't really open any new options for the endings. IMO it's just a retcon to make the current endinds more palatable.