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[casadechrisso]

I was quite surprised and disappointed that the NWN Nexus didn't draw more attention and got a lot of negative feedback here after DarkOne offered us a safe haven for our stuff. I still am after reading through some of the comments in this thread. As a player, I can't be bothered to check the horrioble projects page here (never found a single thing I was looking for), and I surely won't check every content creator's personal website or dig through this forum for days looking for dropbox links. That just doesn't work at all if you want to share with more persons than your few best friends who check your posts here every day. Also, bandwith limit, period.
The Nexus though is a place known to millions and honestly the best place for CC if you want people's attention. I've used it for a long time as a player to get my mods for Bethesda games and Dragon Age, and for most people there doesn't exist any alternative. Like the NWVault was for us here a few years ago. But the Vault is no more, and honestly, since NWN2 with it's higher file sizes it was less and less usable for content creators (25MB limit, FTP blabla). The Nexus doesn't have those limits, and also that you have to register for downloads is new to me unless it's adult content. For creators, I think the Nexus is just great and simple to use, and it's a great place for advertising.

If you complain about copyright stuff, blame the creators who want to keep the rights to the content they created, not the filehoster. If you ignore their wish and use the files as you want, it's your fault, not theirs. And since the Nexus is a large site with millions of users who upload bazillions of mods for very popular games like Skyrim, it's understandable they take a bit more time to look at troublemakers closely than you might be used to from the Vault.
In any case, the reason the Nexus site for NWN looks so dead is because the creators didn't show much interest in it or there aren't enough of us anymore. It's again us, the NWN community who's to blame. If you ask me, yet another alternative to the vault would be a ridiculous idea, if the Nexus won't work we can as well just mail our content to each other.
Oh, and thanks for the comment about the nude hak if you meant mine... actually I'm quite proud of it and it was a lot of work, which should show in the texture quality. But no overrides, sorry - for builders only.

[Lightfoot8]

To be quite honest. people who show up out of nowhere and make statements like:

In any case, the reason the Nexus site for NWN looks so dead is because the creators didn't show much interest in it or there aren't enough of us anymore. It's again us, the NWN community who's to blame. If you ask me, yet another alternative to the vault would be a ridiculous idea, if the Nexus won't work we can as well just mail our content to each other.

Makes me not want to try Nexus at all. It was about the same with the first wave of posts that where given about it. Telling people that this is really the only option, and you are idiots for not already using it, Is no way to make your case. It my not have been your intent, But this post turns me more away from the Nexus then towards it. It was about the same, for me, with that first wave of threads, made by people poping up from nowhere, made about the Nexus.

Just posting this to let you know why the offers to look at the nexus got little attention from me.

Modifié par Lightfoot8, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[casadechrisso]

I'm sorry that we haven't been long time pals before and that I'm not a CCC celebrity, but I honestly don't think I "popped out of nowhere", having been a member of the NWN boards, old and new, for years. If you think the whole idea of the Nexus is bad just because you don't know/like my posts, I really can't argue. The whole point of making those posts was that there was a long discussion about the future of the vault up at the NWN2 section and not a single NWN1 content creator replied or was aware of it. If my attempt to raise some awareness turned you off, I'm sorry, but at least I tried to do something about the whole issue instead of just sitting around naysaying.

[B_Harrison]

For what it's worth, Casa, I couldn't agree more. I've posted a few similar sentiments, only ever from a position of bemusement rather than having any agenda - where and if NWN modders upload content doesn't concern me in the least, but I'm baffled that the entire community hasn't embraced the NWN Nexus with open arms.

I think there are probably a lot of emotions and memories where the NWVault (and its apparent decline) is concerned, which might explain a certain resistance to any potential replacement; there may also be a sense of apprehension at the thought of joining a much larger community of more diverse modders and interests.

Of course, there may well be perfectly valid reasons to avoid the Nexus site - I just haven't heard any that make any sense to me. Currently it's the only site on which I'd consider releasing my mods (incl. NWN content).

[henesua]

My only criticism of the Nexus site (and I am using it) is that you have to be logged in to download content. Its been a drag for my players. But all in all I don't believe its kept anyone away.

[Edit]
All that to say, the Nexus is working fine for me. My only criticism is a minor one. (Sorry I wasn't sure if that was obvious.)

Modifié par henesua, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[B_Harrison]

henesua wrote...

My only criticism of the Nexus site (and I am using it) is that you have to be logged in to download content. Its been a drag for my players. But all in all I don't believe its kept anyone away.

Ah, I forgot about that - seems it only applies to files greater than 2MB in size, but that's probably the majority of files and certainly any PW hak set or the like. Minor, but still a negative.

Modifié par B_Harrison, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[henesua]

Well I meant that as a positive.
The negative is so minor and it is the only practical downside to the Nexus.

[Shadooow]

yeah, maybe this could be discussed with the nexus owner? Is the nexus owner willing to change things like this to the NWN community desire?

The main problem of vault as I see it now is that there is no support anyway, half the features is broken and we know it will never be fixed. If the nexus is willing to support this community and process our remarks, then what more do we need?

I definitely dont like this "link page" idea. The existencional issues might happen to the owner of that site more probably than to nexus anyway.

[Squatting Monk]

Another pro for using the Nexus: since it has a thriving community of modders for other games, it makes it more likely that good content released there will be noticed by non-NWN-players. Perhaps that will attract fresh, talented folks to NWN?

[Just a ghost]

Well, I think there's a very simple reason why the Vault is more popular: there are hundreds and hundreds of haks, models, modules, and whatever there.

My interest is haks, and let's be fair: The Nexus has all but nothing. When I look at the haks I see 1 or 2 hak that are unique to the Nexus (read: so new they are new and haven't been uploaded to the Vault) out of a mere 30ish haks in total. Why on Earth would I visit that site if I am looking for stuff? I have found more by looking around in this forum.

If you want to get the Nexus running you'll need a lot of content on it. Chicken and egg, I am afraid.

[henesua]

Perhaps the CCC should start cross posting to Nexus to get more new content there?

*my secret intention is to scare rolo into returning to this community in a desparate attempt to save the vault.*

Modifié par henesua, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:33 .

[Zwerkules]

henesua wrote...
*my secret intention is to scare rolo into returning to this community in a desparate attempt to save the vault.*

Good idea!

[Pstemarie]

I think many have avoided the Nexus because of its devotion to copyright. Considering that most submissions seem to be compilations of some sort, many users probably think they'll get banned for posting other people's work. I think its an erroneous concern, but a concern nonetheless.

[Tarot Redhand]

There seems to have been an inordinate amount of vault vs nexus discussion.Isn't there another alternative that isn't 'dead'?

TR

[Pstemarie]

We could always do the link list idea, but host it at the site AD made or maybe NWN Connections

[OldTimeRadio]

Pstemarie wrote...
I think many have avoided the Nexus because of its devotion to copyright. Considering that most submissions seem to be compilations of some sort, many users probably think they'll get banned for posting other people's work. I think its an erroneous concern, but a concern nonetheless.

Nothing's going to replace reading the ToS and all the other threads on plagiarism, giving credit and copyright, but this thread has most of the questions we'd ask in this community, answered by a Nexus moderator.  If one reads the whole thread (it's just two pages), they should have a reasonably clear idea how the Nexus rules would apply to NWN, including compilation packs and copyright on things like NWScript.

I'd probably call it fear of copyright rather than devotion to it.  The whole copyright thing with Nexus does not appear based on any of the "authorship issues" stuff this community dealt with years ago.  Their zero-tolerance copyright policies appear to have mainly sprung from trying to keep from getting in any legal trouble with Bethesda, but the same rules are applied over all the Nexus sites and so people sometimes infer things about why Nexus has those rules.  Bethesda's licensing situation for content in their games seems to be a lot more complicated than the situation Bioware was in when they made NWN.  So the whole tone is necessarily a lot more locked down.  For instance, nobody here would think twice about taking a placeable, say, from Hordes of the Underdark and releasing it in a way that regular NWN/SoU users could download and use. 

But that would be a huge no-no for Bethesda.

Hence, rules as strict as you see in the link at the top of this post.

Robin, the guy who runs the Nexus sites, is actually a really reasonable guy.  And much more reasonable and friendly to a modding community than the raw rules at Nexus (or some of the Nexus's self-styled "promoters") might imply.  Here are his messages in the NWN2 thread which led to the creation of the Neverwinter Nexus.  As anyone can see, he's not about tribal division over where people store files or copyright crusades, he's just trying to keep his site out of legal trouble.

Tarot Redhand wrote...
Isn't there another alternative that isn't 'dead'?

I'm not sure how you're judging 'dead'. If 'dead' means very few files, then the NWVault is the only place that's really alive. But places like Nexus, ModDB have relatively thriving communities covering a lot of different games. There might not be much juice in the NWN section, but the sites themselves don't look like they're going away anytime soon. You could probably say that about a couple of the other places I linked to. Strong communities and websites, but not necessarily a well-stocked or thought-out NWN 1 section for them.

Pstemarie wrote...
We could always do the link list idea, but host it at the site AD made or maybe NWN Connections

I don't mean to be dense but a list of what, specifically?

[Just a ghost]

I think this brings up another question: what if the Nexus got into serious trouble with Bethesda or some other firm we have nothing to do with?

[Tchos]

Really, really not a concern at this point.  If Morroblivion didn't do it, nothing will.

[Arkalezth]

Attitudes like Lightfoot8's make me think twice before posting. For the record, I've been playing both NWN since 2003, and registered on the old Bioware forums a year later. I might not be a celebrity around here, but I'm not popping out of nowhere either (not that you need to be widely known to have a valid opinion, mind you).

I find kinda funny how some people talk about their problems with their Nexus accounts, or say it's slow or whatever. Ok, you need to register to download something, but that takes a couple of minutes, and.. have you taken a look at the Vault? Yesterday I got my Vault's account fixed for the 3rd or 4th time in less than a year, the emailing system doesn't work, etc (not to mention the lack of updates in a whole month, or several weeks a few times not long ago). When looking at all that, the necessity to register doesn't seem so bad to me.

I'm just a player. As such, I like to find all the material stored in the same place (or places), be it the Vault, the Nexus, or whatever (please, not these forums' project pages!), but since we already have those, why not use them both? If I had to track down each file in a different site (dropbox, personal pages, etc), you can rest assured that I would never find most of them. I'm not informed about those aforementioned copyright issues, so I can't speak about that. I'm pretty active in the NWN2 community and I haven't heard of any problem from uploaders, though.

Also, as some have mentioned, the Nexus has a HUGE amount of traffic. If you take a look at the mods' comments, you'll see a lot of people who are trying the game for the first time, or have returned after a long period after finding out about the NWN Nexus. We might be a dying community, but passing on this kind of opportunities won't help us staying alive any longer.

I might sound like a Nexus fanboy, but it's not the case. It's just a site that works (sadly, I can't say the same about the Vault) and allows storage for mods. What else do you need? That's enough for me, I don't see why so many people look at it as if it was the devil. I just don't understand. And, as Tchos said, it's not meant as a replacement to the Vault, both sites can perfectly co-exist (as long as they both are working, and it doesn't seem like the Nexus is going to stop working anytime soon).

[cyberglum]

I've recently (last 2 months) been working on Mods for Skyrim and posting them on Nexus. My experiences havent been very positive.
Basically, a Modder wholesale copied my idea for a very distinct player house I'd created. Just looking and comparing the screenshots it was obvious. The guy admitted it too when I confronted him in the Mods thread feedback. I brought the Mod to the attention of one of the Moderators in the IPchatroom and was promptly banned from the site. In the thread, after the guy admitted he'd stolen my idea I let rip and called him (please, anyone under the age of 40 look away) a "scumbag". Yep, I was banned from a site which I'd had 4000+ downloads on for using the term scumbag.

While I realise I shouldn't have insulted the guy (its in the Terms) I do believe the Moderator (who I was sitting in the chatroom with at the time) could have taken an alternative route ("Back off, I'll check it out..."), but no, I was instantly banned.

I contacted them and had all my Mod files removed. The offending Mod in question remained up available for D/L for a further 4 days until they removed it.

Not really sure what I'm trying to say, just sour grapes really, but I would be cautious in your dealings with the site and the potential lack of respect between modders which I believe this little community has thrived on.

cyberglum

[Tchos]

Cyberglum, based on what you've said here, it looks like you were banned because of this:

"If you believe someone has posted any content that is against these terms of service please report the content but do not contact the offender by any means. Leave disciplinary action to the staff of Nexus sites or you may well be punished for engaging in vigilante behaviour."

So yes, you were the victim at first, but two wrongs don't make a right, etc.  Reporting it without lashing out would have gotten the offender banned, instead of both of you.

For what it's worth, you can get yourself un-banned.
http://oblivion.nexu...om/about/unban/

Modifié par Tchos, 17 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[cyberglum]

@Tchos,

Yeah, as I said in my above post I shouldn't have said anything, but that's not my point. I just thought it was a very heavy-handed way of dealing with the issue. We are, after all, human. I did report it and it was ME who brought it too the Moderators attention.

By the way, the guy is still posting Mods on the Nexus, hes even got one on there right now which again, is an obvious copy of another authors rather successful mod which is on Steam, if anyone is interested I can post links.

As you can probably tell I have a rather low opinion on the Nexus because of this. I don't want to publish on there, I don't want to pull-in visits to their site to D/L my work and I'm happy to just publish on Steam.

I just thought I would share my rather cautionary tale about the site. People plagiarize your work and in my opinion the staff moderators could do with looking-up the definition of "Moderation" in the Dictionary.

Thanks for the link tho'.

cyberglum

Modifié par cyberglum, 17 septembre 2012 - 03:03 .

[Tchos]

Yeah, it sounded like you wouldn't use it. Again, I agree that you were wronged. I'd suggest writing to the author of the other copied mod and have her report the violation, and also advise her against doing what you did, but...

My own experience in that sort of thing was like this: I have a dozen or so mods on there, and on rare occasions there have been some insulting comments posted by users. I don't particularly care about those things, and I never report them, but neither do I insult them back. Nevertheless, I've sometimes seen those commenters getting disciplined for it. Whether someone else reported them, or a moderator just happened to see it, I don't know. I responded by saying I didn't object to them speaking their minds, but the moderator apologetically said that "rules are rules". While I agree that they can be heavy handed, I do understand why they're there, and I accept that.

PS: I've never had any of my work there plagiarised, but I have gotten many, many requests to use my work in other mods, or to allow people to translate them into their languages, or have them added to compilations, etc.  (I approved them all.)

Modifié par Tchos, 17 septembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[NWN_baba yaga]

What you guys are describing here about the nexus site is that many peoples just want "to be" part of the modding community without any real intention of art in the backmind you know (with art i mean the process of creation of selfmade custom content). So they grab something cool and with many downloads, mod it a 1% and claim it then as their own. Thats a problem with some guys for sure but nothing that i know off here in our community ever realy happened that bad. We are a close group anyway, more like a village of modders hehe so anyone who does that sort of thing got seriously beaten into oblivion by words i promise:D

Modifié par NWN_baba yaga, 17 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Tarot Redhand]

I presume I am the village idiot in that case ().

TR