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[Arkalezth]

Agreed with Baba Yaga, I imagine plagiarism and that kind of stuff being much more common in games like Skyrim.

Anyway, I understand that Cyberglum may not be too fond of the Nexus after his experience, but generally speaking (other users have mentioned this as a turn off), refusing to upload your mods to a particular site because you might get banned if you don't follow the rules or insult someone who has plagiarized your mod... well, I don't think it's a problem you'll run into everyday.

[cyberglum]

Arkalezth wrote...

Agreed with Baba Yaga, I imagine plagiarism and that kind of stuff being much more common in games like Skyrim.

Anyway, I understand that Cyberglum may not be too fond of the Nexus after his experience, but generally speaking (other users have mentioned this as a turn off), refusing to upload your mods to a particular site because you might get banned if you don't follow the rules or insult someone who has plagiarized your mod... well, I don't think it's a problem you'll run into everyday.

One sec...

As I have stated twice now I realise I broke the TOC. My main issue was the Moderators way of dealing with my particular issue, and to give this discussion a little perspective from my experiences with them.

While the term "Scumbag" is indeed an insult, I believe even the most respectable parent would be happy to use it in front of their youngest child. To instantly ban someone who is productively bringing in downloads over such a small thing to me is unbelieveable. Yes, its my choice not to appeal and get myself unbanned and thats because I choose not to work with a site managed with such a draconian fist...vigilante behaviour indeed.

if you can happily work with a site like that then go ahead.

The absurd irony is the offending guy is NOT banned and is stll posting mods which hes whole-heratedly copied from other peoples work.

Good Job Nexus!

cyberglum

Modifié par cyberglum, 17 septembre 2012 - 08:36 .

[henesua]

I understand CyberGlum's point: essentially the Nexus has some very bad moderators. You've got someone uploading their own work getting banned for calling out another who was copying their work. The plagiarist was ignored.

The question remains: what can we do to get better moderators at the Nexus?
Do we have community control over moderation of the NWN section?

Modifié par henesua, 17 septembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[cyberglum]

henesua wrote...

I understand CyberGlum's point: essentially the Nexus has some very bad moderators. You've got someone uploading their own work getting banned for calling out another who was copying their work. The plagiarist was ignored.

The question remains: what can we do to get better moderators at the Nexus?
Do we have community control over moderation of the NWN section?

Sorry, I didn't mean to go-on.

Good suggestion. Does anyone have a strong enough relationship with the Nexus people to ensure a good Moderator for the stuff you guys might produce?

cyberglum

[Tchos]

Cyberglum, if you'd name some names, then I can check that other mod you mention (give me a link to the original mod, and to the stolen one), and if it all checks out, then I'll report it for you, and the user should be banned.

Incidentally, while looking for information, I found this thread, which shows that it goes both ways (someone's Nexus mods being plagiarised by someone on the Steam workshop).

[Tchos]

As for a strong relationship, Dark0ne has spoken recently of wanting someone from this community to take on the role of a NWN community coordinator for the Nexus. But I imagine that would be a big responsibility, and I'm not sure what it would entail.

[kamal_]

For the record, I identified a modder on the Vault who was posting someone else's work (not mine). I notified Vault staff. Nothing happened.

Also, my nwn modding nwvault.ign.com/View.php. I'm not coming out of nowhere, just from the nwn2 side.

[Tarot Redhand]

I have noticed that a number of people have been disparaging about the projects section of these boards. As I am thinking of putting some stuff up there I thought I'd have a look to see if it is as stuffed with wrongly placed stuff as I was led to beleive.

The first thing that I did, after getting to the projects front page, was to set the filter to nwn modules (the only nwn option). The first surprise is that there are only 2 pages with 10 projects to each. Being such a small number, I decided to count the number of projects for each platform represented there. It turns out that there is 1 mass effect project, 1 mass effect 2 project, 2 nwn2 projects and 16 nwn projects. My guess is that the people who are not keen on the projects section haven't looked lately.

Oh and one other thing I noticed, when did the spell-checker on these boards actually start working?

TR

Modifié par Tarot Redhand, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Lightfoot8]

Arkalezth wrote...

Attitudes like Lightfoot8's make me think twice before posting. For the record, I've been playing both NWN since 2003, and registered on the old Bioware forums a year later. I might not be a celebrity around here, but I'm not popping out of nowhere either (not that you need to be widely known to have a valid opinion, mind you).

  Sorry if my criticism of the post came across the wrong way.    I have no problem with anybody posting on the boards here.  If you are for the nexus or against the nexus, It means little to me.   The post I made before was meant to be constructive to the poster.   He was making a case for the nexus, but in my opinoin going about it the wrong way, In my opinion.  Now if this thread was on the general board.  I would not have even stated my opinion on the post.   Things on that board can get out of hand real fast at times.   Down here on the CC boards people seem to keep a level head more often then not.   To me he basicly stated the only option we as a cummunity have, is to use the nexus.    

I mean go back and read his thread.  Half of it is,   What he wants and finger pointing at the community for not making it happen.    Sure it is the content creators here that have not taken full advantage of the nexus, causing there to be low content uploads.   But is comming here and saying that they are to blame, any way to get them to use the nexus?   Do they even want to use the Nexus?   Acorrding to his post if they don't e-mail is the only other choice.   Once again let me say that I am not against the Nexus.  I am also not against the poster.    I was just trying to give some constructive criticism, that if he was trying to make a case for the nexus.   There are better ways then telling people it is there only choice and blaming them for it not being what it could be.  


When someone makes  a thread on a board they have never posted on or have not posted on in years and make comments that 'we as a community' have to do this.  Then yes,  the 'people who show up out of nowhere'  comment, is  appropriate.  At least in my book.   

   
But heck,  I have some land down in Florida that would be just great for you.  Of cource it is your fault that you have not bought it yet.  Really, if you buy something else you would be just as well off pitching a tent under the bridge. 

I know I would not even waste my time going to look at the place.   

Anyway, Sorry if my first post or even this one comes across as negtive.  It is not meant that way.   Any are free to agree with it, or dissagree with it.   Or even tear me appart for my opinion on the matter.    

And sorry all for the Off Topic Post.   It will be my last Off Topic one in this Thread.   So if you Dissagree with my point of view and want a responce to it, Shoot me a PM.   If you just want to vent without me responding, Feel free to post it here.   would be better to just let this thread get back on topic though. 
     

Modifié par Lightfoot8, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Tchos]

@Tarot: I only know it from the Dragon Age projects. I have two Dragon Age mods uploaded to the BSN projects, and that section had an annoying number of Mass Effect mods in it when I last checked, but it seems to have fewer now. 9 out of 49 isn't as bad as I remember, but it still should have been fixed by now.

Modifié par Tchos, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Lightfoot8]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

I have noticed that a number of people have been disparaging about the projects section of these boards. As I am thinking of putting some stuff up there I thought I'd have a look to see if it is as stuffed with wrongly placed stuff as I was led to beleive.

The first thing that I did, after getting to the projects front page, was to set the filter to nwn modules (the only nwn option). The first surprise is that there are only 2 pages with 10 projects to each. Being such a small number, I decided to count the number of projects for each platform represented there. It turns out that there is 1 mass effect project, 1 mass effect 2 project, 2 nwn2 projects and 16 nwn projects. My guess is that the people who are not keen on the projects section haven't looked lately.

Oh and one other thing I noticed, when did the spell-checker on these boards actually start working?

TR

Umm,  they seem to have changed the filters around.  They use to be sorted by a vote ranking.  they seem to have gotten rid of that.   They have also added other filter options,  When you first get to the front page they seen to filter by released status.  If you changed that field to the 'Blank"  you will see that there are 362 project there.  


Oh,  We have a elling check?  

[Arkalezth]

@Cyberglum: Don't take me wrong, I agree with you and I find banning someone because of that ridiculous. What I mean is, is your case common enough (at least regarding NWN1&2) so it becomes a really important point to consider when choosing a site to upload mods?

@Lighfoot: Ok, sorry if I sounded too hostile myself, but I think you misinterpreted Casadechrisso's post a bit. I actually happen to agree with him.

When we started discussing about alternatives to the Vault (most of the ones who joined the discussion, including Casa and me, voted for the Nexus as it seemed the best option, this thread is a déjà vu of that one) some of us were pretty excited about it. Dark0ne was willing to create a NWN Nexus, but he said he'd only do it if a respectable amount of content was uploaded. Judging by the usual upload traffic on the Vault, the required numbers looked easy to reach, so the Nexus was created...

Actually, this is another thing Casa may be refering to when "blaming the community". We discussed it for a good while, we posted on the NWN1 forums so the NWN1 crew would participate in the discussion... but people didn't look very interested. I mean, that was the proper time to discuss about other alternatives, and not now, half a year later, when the Nexus is already created and working. The Nexus was the response to threads like this one, if people really had things to say, why didn't they participate back then? I understand that people have real lives, but the Nexus wasn't discussed and created in a single day. It's very frustrating to read some people's complains about the Nexus now.

Anyway, it didn't turn out so well as expected. Some modders happily started to upload their stuff to both sites with no complain at all, while others seemed reluctant of uploading anywhere that wasn't the Vault. I didn't expect some of those reactions, and frankly, while they migh had their reasons, those didn't convince me much. And sorry to say, but with the possible exception of Cyberglum, who had a bad personal experience, most of the exposed reasons against the Nexus here don't convince me much either. I'm just a player, but if I had something to upload, I wouldn't see a reason to not happily put it all on both the Vault and the Nexus.

Casa may explain it better, but I think he would agree with what I've written here.

As for moderators, I don't know how that goes (or if he would even be willing to do it), but if I had to nominate someone, I'd point at Tchos. He's one of the most active users on the NWN Nexus and a regular in the NWN community.

PS: Despite all this ranting, many modders have already uploaded their content to the Nexus and continue to do so, it's just that many others keep using the Vault exclusively. So, the Nexus is definitely not a desert or anything, it's just that it could have much more traffic than it currently has, and that's a bit disappointing.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[Pstemarie]

OTR,

The link-list is a suggestion I proposed for a page or group of pages that allows authors to use a form to post a title, description, and link to an external cloud server where the project is hosted (i.e. dropbox, google drive, skydrive, etc.). No voting, no comments, no awards. Essentially just a backup plan until a more concrete method comes along.

The Nexus has some rather draconian responses to authors in its history that turns a lot of people off. The Vault has become unreliable. The project page here is inadequately indexed for everyone's liking (then again what do they expect for a 10 year old, no longer supported game). Short of hosting files on a scattered collection of sites, a link-list - on the right site - might be the only way to ensure that projects get visibility.

I think as far NWN is concerned the onus lies with authors to ensure that their content is housed someplace safe. That means personally owned cloud servers such as those I referenced above. I used to consider the Vault a permanent fixture, but I see that permanency slowly fading. Who can say the Nexus won't do the same? While its true that cloud storage isn't 100% safe, its a lot more reliable with powerhouses like Google and Microsoft powering the servers.

Modifié par Pstemarie, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Arkalezth]

Pstemarie wrote...

The Nexus has some rather draconian responses to authors in its history that turns a lot of people off.

Can you elaborate?

I used to consider the Vault a permanent fixture, but I see that permanency slowly fading. Who can say the Nexus won't do the same?

The Nexus is one, if not the most important mod site out there. I could be wrong, but I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Maybe in 10 years? I don't know, I can't see the future, neither the Nexus', nor the one of any other site.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:51 .

[Tarot Redhand]

@Arkalezth when I initiated this thread I wasn't aware of what you are talking about. RL meant that there was a 7 month hiatus for me when I didn't get to go on the inet full stop, never mind these boards. One of the reasons why people are still loyal to the vault is the scoring system there. OK fat chance that I'll ever make the hof with the current speed of downloads and feedback but what the heck.

TR

[Arkalezth]

That's ok. You were inactive for 7 months and didn't notice or couldn't participate, but I'm sure many people were around and could have left a comment back then (if they had anything to say). I just find frustrating the lack of feedback back then when now you kick a stone and 50 people come from below it exposing their reasons against the Nexus.

I won't go about the voting system here, but I hate it, or rather, how it degenerated. It's not that different from the Nexus' endorsements if you think about it. Judging by the votes of many people on the Vault (I'm partially responsible of this as well), an 8 or more could be considered an endorsement, while less than 7 is often considered a "bad" note by the voters.

Anyway, I believe we ranted about the votes on that other thread. I think kamal linked it on the first or second page.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:51 .

[Tchos]

I can't see the future either, but I can see the past, and the past tells me that nothing is safe; nothing is permanent.  Not mod sites, not filesharing sites, not torrents, not personal web sites, not "the cloud" (more or less a rebranding of filesharing).  2 years ago I started writing about Morrowind mods in my blog, as I was using them, and I scoured the sites looking for mods that were mentioned here and there.  Often I found pages and pages full of dead links because entire services and brands had disappeared.  I only used the working links I could find in my blog posts.  Now, 2 short years later, around half of those links are dead, too, because yet more personal web sites and entire mod hosts have disappeared since then.  The ones that remain working are the ones on Planet Elder Scrolls and the Nexus.  I don't even trust that these forums will stick around, after that sudden loss of the old forums in recent memory, and considering some of the wording in the recent Bioware community survey.

So to me, fretting about which sites are likely to last is pointless.  It'll all go away at some point, and there probably won't be any warning.  So if you want your stuff to last, put it in as many places as you can.

As for exposure and awards...I could mention that there's the File of the Month on the Nexus, which puts the top 5 mods each month on a permanent list, and there's the "Hot Files" list, which automatically puts the 6 most endorsed mods of the past two weeks on the front page, and there are other plans for spotlighting underdog mods...  Blah blah blah.  It's there if you want it.

PS to Ark: I appreciate your vote of confidence regarding becoming a community coordinator, but I really don't know if I could take on that kind of responsibility.  I have mods to make, games to play, forums to read, the AME to participate in, and a blog to write. 

Modifié par Tchos, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:59 .

[Pstemarie]

Ark, read this thread and some of the commentary around the web. The Nexus comes across as pretty ban-happy. Personally I hold little faith in "web-word", but a lot of other people read such stories and might think twice. Ultimately, its a whole of slew of "what-if" scenarios, but many people greatly fear the "what-if".

[kamal_]

I'm not sure the NWN portion of the Nexus even has moderators. The Nexus owner has been responsive to the NWN2 community, so no reason to think he would not also be responsible to the NWN1 communities concerns.

When this came up 7 months ago when the Vault went a month without updates. Vault issues and what to do about them was crossposted to the NWN1 forums, but there were no posts from the NWN1 community other than a post from Rolo. With no NWN1 feedback at that time, and the Nexus being the consensus choice in the nwn2 community, the nwn2 community reached out to the Nexus.

A list of links to dropbox sites kept as a sticky in these forums would have the problem of Bio turning these forums off. As we all know, fool me once....

Modifié par kamal_, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[OldTimeRadio]

Pstemarie wrote...
The link-list is a suggestion I proposed for a page or group of pages that allows authors to use a form to post a title, description, and link to an external cloud server where the project is hosted (i.e. dropbox, google drive, skydrive, etc.). No voting, no comments, no awards. [snip] Essentially just a backup plan until a more concrete method comes along.  Short of hosting files on a scattered collection of sites, a link-list -on the right site - might be the only way to ensure that projects get visibility.  [snip] While its true that cloud storage isn't 100% safe, its a lot more reliable with powerhouses like Google and Microsoft powering the servers.

Ah!  Glad I asked.  That's a good idea.  Even when things are ticking over as they should.  Kinda like a DVD release list is how I imagine it.  With all the services Google provides, you'd imagine there's something out there which is reasonably troll-resistant which allows cc creators of all flavors to get the word out about their content- so downloaders can find it.  X-Fire, YouTube are good ones.

Oh, and looks like some updated information was just posted on the Vault!

[Pstemarie]

kamal_ wrote...

A list of links to dropbox sites kept as a sticky in these forums would have the problem of Bio turning these forums off. As we all know, fool me once....

A valid concern Kamal, given our past experience with the old Bioware forums. That's why I was thinking more a site like the Community Site AD created or the NWN Wiki. Both are produced by long standing members of the Community who have a deep involvement with it and don't seem to be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

Optionally, authors can opt to do like we did with Q - create and maintain your own site and host the files there.

Modifié par Pstemarie, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[Tarot Redhand]

I have a question for the nexus experts. I've been registered about a week now, but haven't been able to find instructions on how to post a reply in the forums there. In order to post you apparently need to enter a name and copy those funny characters. Well I can't get it to work. I tried my username (i.e. the one I just logged in with) and it doesn't want to know. If what it actually wants is my personal forename it can quite frankly get stuffed. Paranoia cuts both ways.

Unless there is a lack of staff there, I think it is decidedly ott. I went there with an open mind but that is a step too far.

TR

[Arkalezth]

I'm not a Nexus expert, but I don't remember having any problem when I registered, not sure what you need to do. Did you try to introduce the characters again (captcha act funny sometimes)? Did you get any error message?

You definitely don't need to give any personal data or name, if that's your concern.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[Tchos]

I don't know what you're referring to, Tarot.  I've never seen any CAPTCHA on the Nexus.  You just sign in to the forums with the same user name and password you used for the file area.

Addendum: If you're talking about this, that's for signing up for a new account.  You shouldn't be going there if you already have one.  There is CAPTCHA there (the funny characters) but I see no reference to any real name requirement.  Just user name, email, and password.

Modifié par Tchos, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[kamal_]

Other than the captcha to register, I've never seen one on the Nexus. Nor have I had to provide my actual name, just my account name.