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[arial]

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

It is not just Bioware, the entire gaming industry is going mainstream to appeal more to the casual gamer.

You want games that are full of Fun Gameplay, compelling stories, and tons of replayibility? go to gog.com and check out the classics from the 80s and 90s. (If you like RPGs i recommend the Might and Magic franchise (specifically 7&8)).

Because resources and time are spent to attempt to make competetive graphics, animations and combat
it's really the gaming communities fault for valueing "casual gaming" and action, shooters ect

exactly!

I used to spent just under $100 a month on games, but the games coming out now really do not interest me much, So instead ive been useing that money on gog.com and I am getting alot more bang for that buck. I am currently halfway through Heroes o0f M&M 2

[Linksys17]

arial wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

It is not just Bioware, the entire gaming industry is going mainstream to appeal more to the casual gamer.

You want games that are full of Fun Gameplay, compelling stories, and tons of replayibility? go to gog.com and check out the classics from the 80s and 90s. (If you like RPGs i recommend the Might and Magic franchise (specifically 7&8)).

Because resources and time are spent to attempt to make competetive graphics, animations and combat
it's really the gaming communities fault for valueing "casual gaming" and action, shooters ect

exactly!

I used to spent just under $100 a month on games, but the games coming out now really do not interest me much, So instead ive been useing that money on gog.com and I am getting alot more bang for that buck. I am currently halfway through Heroes o0f M&M 2

Yeah, it really sucks I wish that mass effect 2 and 3 stuck with the graphics of the first game to include a less linear narrative maybe then there would have been a bigger reward/consequences for the rachni queen, council alive/die, anderson/udina counciler and so on..... so saaaad

Modifié par Linksys17, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:28 .

[arial]

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

It is not just Bioware, the entire gaming industry is going mainstream to appeal more to the casual gamer.

You want games that are full of Fun Gameplay, compelling stories, and tons of replayibility? go to gog.com and check out the classics from the 80s and 90s. (If you like RPGs i recommend the Might and Magic franchise (specifically 7&8)).

Because resources and time are spent to attempt to make competetive graphics, animations and combat
it's really the gaming communities fault for valueing "casual gaming" and action, shooters ect

exactly!

I used to spent just under $100 a month on games, but the games coming out now really do not interest me much, So instead ive been useing that money on gog.com and I am getting alot more bang for that buck. I am currently halfway through Heroes o0f M&M 2

Yeah, it really sucks I wish that mass effect 2 and 3 stuck with the graphics of the first game to include a less linear narrative maybe then there would have been a bigger reward/consequences for the rachni queen, council alive/die, anderson/udina counciler and so on..... so saaaad

Exactly!

I much rather play a fun, eciting, interesting game with terrible graphics then some New, Top of the line, super realistic game that lacks when made me fall inlove with games 20 years ago.

[Linksys17]

arial wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

arial wrote...

It is not just Bioware, the entire gaming industry is going mainstream to appeal more to the casual gamer.

You want games that are full of Fun Gameplay, compelling stories, and tons of replayibility? go to gog.com and check out the classics from the 80s and 90s. (If you like RPGs i recommend the Might and Magic franchise (specifically 7&8)).

Because resources and time are spent to attempt to make competetive graphics, animations and combat
it's really the gaming communities fault for valueing "casual gaming" and action, shooters ect

exactly!

I used to spent just under $100 a month on games, but the games coming out now really do not interest me much, So instead ive been useing that money on gog.com and I am getting alot more bang for that buck. I am currently halfway through Heroes o0f M&M 2

Yeah, it really sucks I wish that mass effect 2 and 3 stuck with the graphics of the first game to include a less linear narrative maybe then there would have been a bigger reward/consequences for the rachni queen, council alive/die, anderson/udina counciler and so on..... so saaaad

Exactly!

I much rather play a fun, eciting, interesting game with terrible graphics then some New, Top of the line, super realistic game that lacks when made me fall inlove with games 20 years ago.

agreed now if they made a really multi-leveled cinematic RPG with top of the line graphics and 200+ hours of gameplay i'd easily drop several hundred on it

[PaulSX]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

"Why Skyrim is inspiration for DA3 and not DA:O." Ohhhh no....Please tell me you're joking about this. I want my Dragon Age back!! :'(

Laidlaw says the inspiration is Skyrim.  He really liked that game so he's going to try to turn DA3 into a Skyrim clone.  It was some press release, theres more info on the DA2 forum.

he mentioned several games including Skyrim, Dark Souls etc.  They liked Skyrim's openess but they also liked Dark Souls atmsphere. And Dragon Age 3 will be a Dragon Age game not Skyrim clone.

Why didn't he mention The Witcher 2?

There are really not too many things they could learn from TW2, plus in my opionion, TW2 is still a hard game to take notes from. What BioWare needs right now is to improve the techniques on environment and world building which is their weakest aspect. That is to say games like Dark Souls or even Batman Arkham City are the best spots for them to take inspiration from.

[Catroi]

suntzuxi wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

"Why Skyrim is inspiration for DA3 and not DA:O." Ohhhh no....Please tell me you're joking about this. I want my Dragon Age back!! :'(

Laidlaw says the inspiration is Skyrim.  He really liked that game so he's going to try to turn DA3 into a Skyrim clone.  It was some press release, theres more info on the DA2 forum.

he mentioned several games including Skyrim, Dark Souls etc.  They liked Skyrim's openess but they also liked Dark Souls atmsphere. And Dragon Age 3 will be a Dragon Age game not Skyrim clone.

Why didn't he mention The Witcher 2?

There are really not too many things they could learn from TW2, plus in my opionion, TW2 is still a hard game to take notes from. What BioWare needs right now is to improve the techniques on environment and world building which is their weakest aspect. That is to say games like Dark Souls or even Batman Arkham City are the best spots for them to take inspiration from.

oh yeah they didn't notice it, that's why Bioware employees where caught giving 0/10 on Metacritics to the Witcher 2 and saying in their review to go buy Dragon age 2

Oh and BTW no, the game they better take inspiration from are... hum I don't know? Games they used to be successfull with like DRAGON MOTHER F*CKING AGE: ORIGINS???! <_<

[PaulSX]

Catroi wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

"Why Skyrim is inspiration for DA3 and not DA:O." Ohhhh no....Please tell me you're joking about this. I want my Dragon Age back!! :'(

Laidlaw says the inspiration is Skyrim.  He really liked that game so he's going to try to turn DA3 into a Skyrim clone.  It was some press release, theres more info on the DA2 forum.

he mentioned several games including Skyrim, Dark Souls etc.  They liked Skyrim's openess but they also liked Dark Souls atmsphere. And Dragon Age 3 will be a Dragon Age game not Skyrim clone.

Why didn't he mention The Witcher 2?

There are really not too many things they could learn from TW2, plus in my opionion, TW2 is still a hard game to take notes from. What BioWare needs right now is to improve the techniques on environment and world building which is their weakest aspect. That is to say games like Dark Souls or even Batman Arkham City are the best spots for them to take inspiration from.

oh yeah they didn't notice it, that's why Bioware employees where caught giving 0/10 on Metacritics to the Witcher 2 and saying in their review to go buy Dragon age 2

Oh and BTW no, the game they better take inspiration from are... hum I don't know? Games they used to be successfull with like DRAGON MOTHER F*CKING AGE: ORIGINS???! <_<

They could,  but to be honest as a BioWare customer, I do not want to pay $60 for a same game. what we want is that BioWare took the basic mechanics of DAO and enhanced it with other insprations.

edit: BioWare needs to improve, not to stay at old stage. DAO was great by itself but its design was dated.

Modifié par suntzuxi, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Catroi]

[I'm stopping he quote pyramid]

In my opinion Bioware needs to make what they are good at: I don't give two f*cks about graphics or gameplay, I play their games because of the story, characters, dialogues, choices and concequences wich they are dropping more and more unfortunately

[Mazebook]

I disagree, their last 4 games were great in my opinion (other than TOR, I just don´t like mmo´s...at least i know that now)

[crypticcat 2o2p]

Justin2k wrote...

There are so many questions on this forum, so many people asking why they re-used the same three maps over and over in DA2.  Why the Mass Effect ending was bad.  Why TOR classes are unbalanced.  Why Gears was inspiration for ME3 and not ME1/ME2.  Why Skyrim is inspiration for DA3 and not DA:O.

It's because Bioware don't make great games anymore.  It's also because they've become a money grabbing company.   They do not care about this "hardcore" fanbase.  You're the ones that buy all their games and all the DLC, but they'll throw you under a bus to get just 10 more people casually playing their games as long as they pay for it. 

And as a result, Bioware don't make great games anymore.  They try to please everyone, and end up with an average product that everyone is mostly ok with but noone would vote for it to be GOTY.  Too much shooting for RPG'ers, too much talking for Gears of War players.

Worse than that they've become a horrible company.  The moderators are lock and ban happy because they can't take the slightest criticism.  The "we want your feedback" is a lie.  They want it as long as it's positive and they can use it to make more money.   All this "artistic direction" is bull****.  And what it really means is "we don't care what you want".  They are pretentious, Mass Effect 3 is pretentious and DA2 is pretentious.  I won't give this company money anymore.

Oh and as for "companys are there to make money" of course they are.  But they made money with KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, DA:O.  I guess it wasn't enough.   ME3 was a "labour of love"?  Well your labour of love was ****.  Skyrim, Dark Souls, Assassin's creed are labours of love.  ME3 was a cash grab exercise. 

By your post I can tell you weren't there for Baldur's Gate, Never Winter, Planescape: Torment, KotoR. Those are the title's that awarded Bioware their hard-cores. I used to view the industry as a trinity between the the Big B's, Bioware, Bethesda and Blizzard (North). That trinity of companies from which you could buy games blindly because their logo was on it is gone and it won't be coming back.

ME3 was my last true *buy because Bioware* purchase. Not because of what ME3 is (I don't really agree with the forum's state of mind on it), but because I wanted to see the conclusion of Sheppie's story. From here on out, my fan-investment in Bioware has ran it's course. There's always Bethesda, afterall and I'm absolutely stoked for the Hearthfire expansion.

I'm not going to bash Bioware for recognizing that the market for deeply involving nerdgasm games is rapidly becoming a niche that houses a crowd that is dying out. Today's gamer is a casual person with the attention-span of a goldfish and they largely don't care if they pay €60 for 10 minutes of fun, or €10 for the same amount of minutes.

And another thing, quite early on during the shift between gaming in the arcades and gaming in the home, a one-person bedroom software-house did a study and concluded that if a game was played for three hours, the gamer felt he had gotten his money's worth. (Gosh, I wish I could remember who it was, but it was over 20 years ago, so yeah...) So, nothing much has changed and studios like the Big B's are in fact an anomaly, thriving in a market that has always been about fast thrills, instead of being about long, elaborate experiences.

Personally, I'm not enamored with the state of the industry. Give me a game that lasts me hundreds of hours and I'm there, ready to sign away my social life. But I too notice that I tend to look for quick games more often too. The problem I have with that is that those quick games are generally tailored to a young audience and mostly those games are too politcally correct and too sensitive to the social mores of today, no nudity, bloodless violence, etc.

Even in Skyrim I had to mod the heck out of it to bring it to a level where I was happy with it.

Essentially, the industry is done experimenting. Society is becoming more and more puritine, less tolerant and more stressed for free-time. Right now it is not a good time to see how heavy you can tax a gamer with rules, stats and quests that need brainpower beyond hitting the spacebar 5 million times. It is what it is.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I'm sorry to hear you don't think so. I wish you was able to see all the good stuff in these games, but hey, your loss.

[HEADSHOT EVAN]

two letters...

Modifié par HEADSHOT EVAN, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[Haargel]

Jade Elf wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

I was going to put in a snarky and witty response, but I just too tired right now, so I will just say this: that is your opinion. I disagree with nearly every aspect of it. I love the games Bioware makes and I love ME3. Nothing you or anyone on these forums are going to change that, just like how I know I could never change you mind.

Same here. And I'll leave it at that.

[anokie]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Okay. Let me try and turn this thread around with some actual constructive criticism.

For starters, I loved Mass Effect 3 a lot. But for the sake of being helpful, I'll just point out where Mass Effect 3 went wrong.

War Assets were not representated in the final mission.
The lack of a final boss.
Lack of planet exploration.
Some of the past decisions such as the Collector Ship didn't have any real consequences.
Auto dialogue.
Shooting mechanics are the best they've ever been in the series. But still have some catching up to do.
More dialogue options. Neutral ones would be nice too.
I know it will never be done, but the removal of Star Child and Star Child's choices would have been an improvement on the endings.
I did like extended cut, but ultimately if you want the game to be more "paletable" for fans, that might be an idea.
More modes for multiplayer.

Come on guys. Make this thread useful. Please.

Yep that

[Rudy Lis]

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Planescape: Torment

Black Isle.

[crypticcat 2o2p]

Rudy Lis wrote...

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Planescape: Torment

Black Isle.

Also goes for Baldur's Gate, if memory serves. I don't really remember how the relationship was but wasn't BI eventually absorbed by Bioware? Damn, we're talking 12-13 years ago here. Someone wiki this, I'm not nerd enough.

[Rudy Lis]

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Also goes for Baldur's Gate, if memory serves. I don't really remember how the relationship was but wasn't BI eventually absorbed by Bioware? Damn, we're talking 12-13 years ago here. Someone wiki this, I'm not nerd enough.

As I recall (I may be wrong - concussion&amnesia, so - my apologies in advance), BI was under Interplay. IIRC they were closed somewhere after Fallout Tactics, while working for some new project. They never were absorbed by Bioware if I recall correctly.
And Baldur's gates are Bioware child. BI's - Icewind dale. And it was 14 years ago.

Now anybody can go wiki and point me how I'm wrong.

[crypticcat 2o2p]

Rudy Lis wrote...

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Also goes for Baldur's Gate, if memory serves. I don't really remember how the relationship was but wasn't BI eventually absorbed by Bioware? Damn, we're talking 12-13 years ago here. Someone wiki this, I'm not nerd enough.

As I recall (I may be wrong - concussion&amnesia, so - my apologies in advance), BI was under Interplay. IIRC they were closed somewhere after Fallout Tactics, while working for some new project. They never were absorbed by Bioware if I recall correctly.
And Baldur's gates are Bioware child. BI's - Icewind dale. And it was 14 years ago.

Now anybody can go wiki and point me how I'm wrong.

Exactly, lol. 14 years ago already... Oh, Icewind Dale.., I actually passed up on that one... I needed to play a game that wasn't AD&D at that time. Gary Gygax will forever be my bro, but back then I got gag-reflexes when someone mentioned AD&D. It was just too much and around that time, I discovered TES.

[Okuto]

BIOWARE's certainly not in their prime.....but I wouldn't say what they've released lately is trash

Dragon Age though I will say is in the toilet....I have little to no desire to jump back in there....

Mass effect has.....well....been a victim of it's success.....I've no doubt things would of been different had they not been indoctrinated by EA....

I like Bioware still but it's no longer the top notch studio I grew to love. Certainly not as long as it's under EA shackles.....

Esp. am not a fan of the higher ups in the team not bothering to take feedback during final production....we may of avoided this ending mess if only they actually had a darn meeting to discuss

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Justin2k wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Snypy wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

...

Bioware moved him off mass effect 3 to work on the Star Wars MMO.  He then left.

I don't really know if he was moved or if he wanted to work on SWTOR instead, so I can't and don't want to argue with you. However, I read his blog, and the ending he originally intended for ME3 was even worse than what Mac Walters came up with. That said, Drew would've probably given us several endings as well. So, one of them might've been very good.

In his defense, he said it was a very early concept. 

Anyways, a lot of the flak BioWare has received lately, while deserving, would diminish greatly if the company were more humble and apolegetic about this whole situation. 

Exactly.  They were exactly the same with DA2, arrogant would be the word.

As for Drew's "ending".  Was it really Drews ending?  Or is it something he wrote so that people would lay off his former employers a little more, or stop saying "drew would do it better"?   I have faith that whatever he wrote, he would have implemented it in a way that didn't offend the fanbase.  

Moving the lead writer of ME3 and putting it in the hands of a rookie writer who never had a single thing good enough to be published, to put him on the MMO just another example of cash-grabbing Bioware sacrificing quality and reputation for short term profit.

From I read Drew's endings were worse and made even less sense.

[Rudy Lis]

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Exactly, lol. 14 years ago already...

Memories, pressed between the pages of my mind
Memories, sweetened thru the ages just like wine

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Oh, Icewind Dale.., I actually passed up on that one...

To be honest, I was pleased by that game even more than by ToB and some elements for BG2. I always liked those little details and seeing few, but quite "likable" moments, like class-dependant actions were very pleasing for me. To some extent "saving world" represented by few small villages was much more interesing than all that "godhood" blah-blah. Plus Jeremy Soule. Easthaven tune... Just brilliant.

IWD 2 had own great moments and some puns, plus it's good "hey, I've been here!" voyage (for me), but 3rd Edition is big smelling pile of turd by my opinion (guess my favorite class, I bet you'll do that in 1 attempt), so it was greatest problem Otherwise - I like both. Though kinda miss non-mirrored sprites...

Hmm, 3rd edition...So ME3 weren't first game with issues and digit "3" in title...

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

I needed to play a game that wasn't AD&D at that time. Gary Gygax will forever be my bro, but back then I got gag-reflexes when someone mentioned AD&D. It was just too much and around that time, I discovered TES.

Almost my story. Only I went Warhammer (since I met Buggerfall, you know) and then army. Not as entertaining as WH or ADnD, but fairly decent.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Bioware is a dev, not a publisher. SW:TOR should have been a Single Player game,

F#*K MMOs! The trashy games that beg for money more then F2P. Anything MMO = garbage. Straight fact.

They haven't screwed up ME just yet, they can still sort it out. DA can also be sorted out. They just messed up a little just for trying something new.

Note to Bioware: Stick to your old formula and don't stop.

Sad truth is I've met many gamers on other fourms that are sick of Bioware's old formula and didn't play Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 because of it and they played every Bioware game before those came out because they found the same damn story being told over and over in different settings boring, old and stale.  

[Rudy Lis]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Sad truth is I've met many gamers on other fourms that are sick of Bioware's old formula and didn't play Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 because of it and they played every Bioware game before those came out because they found the same damn story being told over and over in different settings boring, old and stale.  

To some extent they are correct.

DA:O by and large - NWN2 mod, I even was confused by it when saw it first time. I liked it, though combat just ****ing boring and irritating ((A)DnD overdose maybe), but I liked story and characters.

I can't say anything for story and characters in DA2, because local animation (combat one), plus graphic rehash are just repulsive for me (not in good, Alan Wake/Dead Space 1/2 way repulsive). I don't get how it is possible to make game which looks worse than previous game from this very franchise. But they are talented people. And no, I'm not "hi-def only" graphic nerd, I still like Gothic 1 or, I don't know, Star Wars Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight (played just recently).

As for ME1, I can't say bad word for it, even if I notice some flaws, holes and "recycling of someone elses idea". I like game very much. To be honest, I though it was "pull up" they've made after long nose-down dive they've making since ToB (yes, I'm that weird).

ME2 wasn't that bad, but it has huge drops in departments I like (guns, to name a few). Story was "acceptable" but bleak in comparison of possible perspective. Main threat, collectors, appear in 3.5 missions and all possible analys, "detective work" all went to hell. Ah, yes, there is my favorite character - Illusive man, who "will take care of the details".

And ME3... It has a way too much holes, flaws and inconsistencies so all crew can line up for that:
http://t3.gstatic.co...YBbLnuguklJWSdA

Ironically enough, I liked lack of final boss.


As final note: well, believe it or not, but I played KotOR just recently (ahem, Steam summer sale, cough). To be honest, despite all that despise I have towards that combat system (I'm a bit tired of it after all my (A)DnDing), I like that game much more than DA2 or ME3.

So yeah, bioware don't make great games anymore. Since BG2, with occasional rise in form of ME1.
Don't take this too seriously, it's just art after all.

[TheCrimsonSpire]

OP's thread title is bugging the sh*t out of me. It's "DOES NOT" not "DO NOT", otherwise it becomes a statement directed at Bioware. Learn better grammar plz OP.

OT: the flaws of the series have been stated many times over already, and if nothing is going to be suggested to help Bioware to improve, then you're wasting people's time.

[Rudy Lis]

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

OT: the flaws of the series have been stated many times over already, and if nothing is going to be suggested to help Bioware to improve, then you're wasting people's time.

How the hell you suppose to know whether or not it is going to be used to help if we have no feedback? It's like yelling for echo in anechoic chamber.

This happened once before
when I came to your door
No reply
They said it wasn't you
but I saw you peep through
your window