308 réponses à ce sujet

[sparkyo42]

loungeshep wrote...

Tinfangwarble wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

So what your impling is people who do not want this DLC should buy so you can get future DLC.

Why not just purchase a hundred or so copies yourself?

Imply: Bioware isn't killing Mass Effect. it's 'fans' are.  That's what I"m implying.
"oh we want you to fix this game! So we will kill your sales so you can fix this game instead of ending it because you aren't making money!" Is as logical as 'we made robots to stop you from making robots that'll kill you by killing you'

Of course I posted just from the basis of this corner of the internet.  Not every mass Effect fan posts on BSN and not everyone on BSN hates Mass Effect 3 with a scary psychological issues vengence.   Some of us like the game, want more, and yes, will blame you if we don't get more. 

How and why should you blame people that don't like the game? I'm not talking about those still posting rants, I'm talking about those that have just moved on, if they no longer love the game to pay more money then it's up to those that do still love it to muster the support to keep going.

I'm not willing to accept that fans are to blame, if those that like are in the majority, if the BSN isn't just full of people that "hates Mass Effect 3 with a scary psychological issues vengence" then what's the problem, those that like it should carry the game without any problem.

Bioware isn't looking at the BSN to judge the future of DLC they are looking at the money, so as I've said repeatedly it's just a case of everyone putting their money where there mouths are. If more DLC is made then the Pro's are right the Anti's are a minority and should shut up.

If more DLC isn't made the Pro's will have to accept that the base was to badly damaged to sustain the game, that's not the fault of the Anti group, it's simply what is.

[shepskisaac]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Walking dead ep 3 and minecraft skin pack

Hmm then I have no idea if it's doing good. I mean, against Minecraft yeah since Minecraft already sold like 8 million on Xbox Live and its DLC is super popular, but walking dead? Are tv shows that popular on Xbox?

[Memnon]

shepdog77 wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

I don't understand this sentiment - is the contention here that those who don't want to support what they view as a poor product should be buying DLC anyways so the ones who do enjoy it get more DLC? This line of thinking is beyond silly - if I decide I want to start a company and I make a product, but nobody buys it, that's not the fault of the people who don't buy it

Modifié par Stornskar, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:09 .

[Dean_the_Young]

plfranke wrote...

StElmo wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

And here we have yet another example of the BSN tearing apart even the most banal statements from anyone from Bioware and twisting the words into an insult to their fans.

And said fans then wonder why Bioware won't talk to them.

As someone who doesn't like the current state of the endings, I agree, I have had an epiphony over these fans being maniacs.

You both clearly missed the point of the thread then. Bioware cannot say that there is not enough interest in single player dlc based off of how well Leviathan sells when Leviathan was not necessarily what fans wanted to see. If they're not willing to modify their dlc plans to work with demand that's one thing, but Bioware seems to pride themselves off of bring "co-creators" with the fans. If they would rather not make any single player dlc, as opposed to simply giving one dlc that people want, one would think conversations with Bioware are becoming one sided.

This presupposes a number of things: that 'the fans' are a coherent single actor, that 'the fans' have the same grievances and the same desires, that if 'the fans' were given what they wanted they would come back in relevant numbers, and that what 'the fans' want is within the scope of what the developers are willing to offer.

None of these are safe assumptions, and many are simply wrong. The fans are a collective of many separate, often contradictory, individuals. The differences in fan grievances was already demonstrated by the Extended Cut, which fractured the Hold the Line movement as many people were appeased and dropped their complaints. The differences in fan desires is apparent when you simply begin to survey what various sub-groups want: Conventional Victory DLC, Totally Rewrite The Crucible Out of the Game DLC, Change a Particular Ending in the Ending DLC, Romance DLC, Omega DLC, or the many differing opinions of 'what would fix the game best'.

You can not appeal to 'what the fans want' if there is no common community position or opinion, let alone a common identity.

As for the others, those are unprovable but highly suspect in their own right. Even if Bioware did create an impossible 'what everyone wants Ending DLC', whatever that is supposed to be, whether it would revive the fanbase which has already left is serious gap: I can't find it now, but a survey on consumer habits I once read showed that consumers who move on to their next product/game rarely return. Trying to recall the fanbase for ME3 products may simply be too late.

Then, of course, the difference between what people want and what a provider is willing to offer is also a constant issue. Just looking back at ME2 demonstrates a good deal: the closest to a 'what fans were asking for' DLC was purely cosmetic DLC for character re-skins, the appearance packs which gave a number of characters more combat-sensible outfits. Otherwise? Shadowbroker was foreshadowed much like Leviathan and an Omega DLC were, by raising a plot thread that wasn't carried out in the Vanilla game. Overlord and Arrival, however, weren't in response to any particular fan craving, while obvious and consistent petition movements such as a Virmire Survivor DLC, or Romance DLC, were ignored. If the fans were a single collective force, this wouldn't make sense.



Since 'the fans' are not a gestalt, however, Bioware has the right of it in measuring interest by the aggregate, rather than appealing to a singular collective that does not exist as such.

[sparkyo42]

Stornskar wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

I don't understand this sentiment - is the contention here that those who don't want to support what they view as a poor product should be buying DLC anyways so the ones who do enjoy it get more DLC? This line of thinking is beyond silly - if I decide I want to start a company and I make a product, but nobody buys it, that's not the fault of the people who don't buy it

That's it exactly, this isn't about "those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans". Either there's support for the game and therefore in the DLC or there isn't. It has nothing to do with complaints just how much people are willing to pay.

I wonder for those that have put forward this argument is it because they've always felt that the complaints were a BSN minority issue, and now there's they might realise that there's a chance it isn't and that the ME universe might ahve been more damaed then they had allowed themselves to believe.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[inversevideo]

loungeshep wrote...

Tinfangwarble wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

So what your impling is people who do not want this DLC should buy so you can get future DLC.

Why not just purchase a hundred or so copies yourself?

Imply: Bioware isn't killing Mass Effect. it's 'fans' are.  That's what I"m implying.
"oh we want you to fix this game! So we will kill your sales so you can fix this game instead of ending it because you aren't making money!" Is as logical as 'we made robots to stop you from making robots that'll kill you by killing you'

Of course I posted just from the basis of this corner of the internet.  Not every mass Effect fan posts on BSN and not everyone on BSN hates Mass Effect 3 with a scary psychological issues vengence.   Some of us like the game, want more, and yes, will blame you if we don't get more. 

I hear your anger, but I do not understand why it is focused on those who do not like the endings?

Weekes, who I respect, is stating a business fact. Bioware is a company, they want to produce more DLC, but only if there is a profit to do so. EA's decision, to make more ME DLC, rest squarely on the pro-Enders.
If, as I have seen stated repeatedly, the pro-Enders are a majority, then step up and buy Leviathan.

It really is just that simple.

FWIW, I hate the endings, but I did buy and enjoy playing Leviathan.

[BatmanPWNS]

Don't we already know this?

[element eater]

plfranke wrote...

element eater wrote...

why is that statement a surprise to anyone?

although if the dlc sales do go badly they have no one to blame but themselves theres a few dlcs that would obviously do well if they made them.

Not a surprise. The point of the thread was pretty much to say exactly what you did.

fair enough

[Zhijn]

Well duh to that tweet.

Ofc they going to plan SP DLC depending on current sales, if it dosnt sell then there isnt much reason to continue is there. Every game company im sure does this. Different is Weeks actually said it aloud where others just move on to the next project.

Problem i have with ME3 DLC is, well its just so pointless for me. I mean you already know how it ends up anyway and no DLC is going to change it so why bother you know?.  Its why im sorta conflicted with ME3 DLC. It just dosnt add anything to it for me personally. Shepard is dead, and the story is over.

I gues next up is ME4: Rise of the Leviathan. lol xD

Modifié par Zhijn, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[tomcplotts]

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

Oddly enough, a lot of fans feel the same way about you. Screwed over by fans who are so easily pleased that they'll buy anything and take any manner of abuse.

Two way street, slick.

[ahleung]

I am playing Dust: An Elysian Tail. It's a wonderful 2D metroidvania ARPG, mostly made by one guy out of 3.5 years of hard work. It feels good to support good people making good game.

[AlexMBrennan]

Patrick Weekes: Future DLC plans of any kind depend on success of Leviathan

So, he's saying that we need to keep buying stuff we may not necessarily want just so that they change to making only MP crap? You know, maybe it's just me being silly, but I don't think that adding blackmail to the list of Bioware PR mistakes is a smart move right now...

[TSA_383]

http://social.biowar.../index/13937763

My thoughts on the matter. Leviathan was a great story, but there was minimal actual gameplay and the lack of any sort of impact on the overarching plot was just insulting.

[RainbowDazed]

Well, I am glad they are honest about where we are at. The trilogy has come to it's conclusion and in my eyes it's only sensible to not prolong it's life-span if it seems that there is no fan-demand. If there's not enough people buying the new stuff to feed the kids and puppies of the Bioware-workers, then it's time to move on I say.

That said, I want more sp-DLC. So if you haven't bought Leviathan yet out of some weird anti-ending principle and at the same time want to see new stuff made, just bend over and buy the damn DLC.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Patrick Weekes: Future DLC plans of any kind depend on success of Leviathan

So, he's saying that we need to keep buying stuff we may not necessarily want just so that they change to making only MP crap? You know, maybe it's just me being silly, but I don't think that adding blackmail to the list of Bioware PR mistakes is a smart move right now...

You're being silly.

And absurd, but mostly silly.

[LilyasAvalon]

I can understand why that is, but to be honest, I feel like I'm being threatened when they put it like that.

Besides, the success of a DLC can't change the success of the base game if the base game didn't receive well. Dragon Age 2 proved that.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Tipsyfresh]

plfranke wrote...

I'm glad some people are finally starting to get the point. I'm not debating the logic behind supply and demand. What I'm saying is if Leviathan sales are low there's one reason behind that, THE ENDING. To play through Leviathan, a dlc with such great potential, just to get to the end and hear a ridiculous story that somewhat supports the Catalyst is a let down. The worst part about it is that Bioware refused to show Leviathan doing anything once you got to London. This cannot continue if Bioware expects to make sales. Tons of fans have told them what they want to see and Bioware refuses to listen. If dlc is to stop being made I don't wanna see them saying "Dlc sales weren't high enough". Tell it like it is. You guys were too indoctrinated by your artistic integrity that you refused to give the fans what they wanted and they stopped giving you your money. Mass Effect 3 deserves better than this to be the way it goes down.

This for sure. Plus there is plenty of evidence on Bsn that points to people being interested in the dlc, but that doesn't mean we just hand out our money. That's what kinda offensive about Weekes' statement. Bioware should take responsibility for their own content and when it fails, and not blame their lack of success on consumers. "aww man, no one saw our movie, it's because people weren't interested, not because the movie doesn't deliver.".  I really hope people see think about this,  AND STOP PREORDERING CRAP!

[Mr. MannlyMan]

loungeshep wrote...

Tinfangwarble wrote...

So what your impling is people who do not want this DLC should buy so you can get future DLC.

Why not just purchase a hundred or so copies yourself?

Imply: Bioware isn't killing Mass Effect. it's 'fans' are.  That's what I"m implying.
"oh we want you to fix this game! So we will kill your sales so you can fix this game instead of ending it because you aren't making money!" Is as logical as 'we made robots to stop you from making robots that'll kill you by killing you'

Of course I posted just from the basis of this corner of the internet.  Not every mass Effect fan posts on BSN and not everyone on BSN hates Mass Effect 3 with a scary psychological issues vengence.   Some of us like the game, want more, and yes, will blame you if we don't get more. 

Blame whoever you want. I don't make a habit of buying DLCs that I'm not interested in, for games in which my interest as waned substantially. 

I don't really give a hoot about Bioware's losses.

t

[GreyLycanTrope]

IsaacShep wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Walking dead ep 3 and minecraft skin pack

Hmm then I have no idea if it's doing good. I mean, against Minecraft yeah since Minecraft already sold like 8 million on Xbox Live and its DLC is super popular, but walking dead? Are tv shows that popular on Xbox?

Walking Dead Game, sorry should have been clearer. It's made by Tell Tale games, guys reponsible for Jurassic Park the Game, and Back to the Future the Game. They release this over XBL arcade in parts refered to as "episodes".

[Tipsyfresh]

And it's funny how the fans that are like "take my money" suffer with the more weary consumers out there. With such good naturedness we saw from bioware when they blessed us with javiks day one dlc, why would they say this about Levi unless they were trying to rack up sales or do something more devious.

[Tipsyfresh]

tomcplotts wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.

Oddly enough, a lot of fans feel the same way about you. Screwed over by fans who are so easily pleased that they'll buy anything and take any manner of abuse.

Two way street, slick.

Nicely put.

[cavs25]

What bull**** business practice...buy the DLC (no matter if its good or not) or else you won't get the one you want hehehehehe

Am seriously done with this company for good.

Also to Mr.

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.


Thanks to the fans like yourself, the rest of us are screwed.  No matter how bad you are treated or bad the actual game or dlc will be you will still buy it, and Bioware will keep soving out mediocricy.  So thank you.

Modifié par cavs25, 01 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[TK514]

If the next DLC gives me the ending(s) I want, then I have reason to buy DLC after that, even if it has no effect on the endings at all. But the journey has to be made worth taking before I want to make extra stops along the way.

[C9316]

cavs25 wrote...

What bull**** business practice...buy the DLC (no matter if its good or not) or else you won't get the one you want hehehehehe

Am seriously done with this company for good.

Also to Mr.

loungeshep wrote...

That's great, so those of us who want more will be screwed over by the angry, complaining fans.


Thanks to the fans like yourself, the rest of us are screwed.  No matter how bad you are treated or bad the actual game or dlc will be you will still buy it, and Bioware will keep soving out mediocricy.  So thank you.

This.