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[plfranke]

MattFini wrote...

The biggest issue with Leviathan is that it concludes with the implication it will play a significant part in the ending.

Hell, didn't I read that StarChild even says "I welcome their involvement" at the end?

And still nothing.

Its a fairly weightless DLC because of this. A positive refuse really should've been added here. They could've gotten creative with Leviathan and found a way they could've helped win. But they chose not to and they might suffer those consequences.

So much this. To be honest, after how much Harbinger was mentioned in the dlc I was nearly positive there would be some sort of confrontation involving him at the end.

[kaotician]

There's nothing to wonder about. All he's saying is, if interest is there - translated as actual sales and money being put down - they'll make more dlc, if it's not there, such that it becomes a money-losing proposition, they won't. What's so difficult to understand?

[sparkyo42]

AlanC9 wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Like I said Leviathan is the Acid test of the fanbase, that will shed light into where the base stands as it's the first time we have to put down money for something (outside of MP "stuff"). It will tell if it's a minority, or a majority that's become happy or how many have moved on I think.

Well, it would be shocking if a majority hadn't moved on by now. The actual question is how big a minority is left.

Sure but how many of the other side have moved on as well? there are a lot of variables in the fanbase now, in the end I would say it comes down to the Pro Fanbase to carry the DLC forward, and they can't blame the Anti's if its not enough. It's not right or fair to demand people pay for things they don't want or enjoy.

[sparkyo42]

kaotician wrote...

There's nothing to wonder about. All he's saying is, if interest is there - translated as actual sales and money being put down - they'll make more dlc, if it's not there, such that it becomes a money-losing proposition, they won't. What's so difficult to understand?

I suppose because its a big admission from the "preplanned major LC program" that was on the cards, does it suggest that Bioware has acknowledge the major hit they have taken over this?

[Jamie9]

I'd really like to see some more quality DLC, but if the demand is not high enough then obviously the dev team will move on.

I hope we don't find out we'll miss something awesome like the planned DA2 expansion pack.

[Kileyan]

xsdob wrote...

As if this is the only game to ever use the success of it's products to gauge fans interest.

That isn't what the OP was saying(I think). He was saying that some fans, maybe many fans want a different ending. So Bioware stubbornly stands by their guns and refuse to give such an ending, and the DLC sales suffer.

Then the Bioware dudes come back and say there will be no more single player DLC because sales show no interest in such DLC. That scenario is silly, because all it shows is fans did not buy **** they did not want, but likely would have bough every single DLC if it was a story they did want. If many customers are like me, they have no interest in playing midgame crap, knowing that it does not matter.

Bioware is saying you will buy this crap whether you like it or not, or we will not offer  you any more crap. Rather than saying, this is our chance to improve our menu and hope you will come back.

[plfranke]

Kileyan wrote...

xsdob wrote...

As if this is the only game to ever use the success of it's products to gauge fans interest.

That isn't what the OP was saying(I think). He was saying that some fans, maybe many fans want a different ending. So Bioware stubbornly stands by their guns and refuse to give such an ending, and the DLC sales suffer.

Then the Bioware dudes come back and say there will be no more single player DLC because sales show no interest in such DLC. That scenario is silly, because all it shows is fans did not buy **** they did not want, but likely would have bough every single DLC if it was a story they did want. If many customers are like me, they have no interest in playing midgame crap, knowing that it does not matter.

Bioware is saying you will buy this crap whether you like it or not, or we will not offer  you any more crap. Rather than saying, this is our chance to improve our menu and hope you will come back.

My God, thank you. At least someone gets it.

[Xellith]

[liggy002]

Bioware is approaching it from the wrong angle. If they want to be more successful, than they need to start listening to their fans. It's a terribly stupid idea to not make more DLC based on the Leviathan DLC. Have they even been reading these message boards?! Or are they just going to continue to bury their heads in the sand? Many people do not like the Leviathan DLC BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIKE THE ENDINGS. IF YOU GIVE YOUR FANS MORE OF WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, THEN THEY WILL NOT BUY YOUR DLC. Is that clear enough for you Bioware?

Or are you going to reconsider producing an IT DLC because that is the only way I will purchase more of your products.

[sparkyo42]

Jamie9 wrote...

I'd really like to see some more quality DLC, but if the demand is not high enough then obviously the dev team will move on.

I hope we don't find out we'll miss something awesome like the planned DA2 expansion pack.

That is the other side of the argument (and probably why people are going for "the EVIL Bioware" bit), there's always a chance that something like that is on the cards but it's not right to hold that over people.

At 800 points it comes down to how much love the base has left in the tank for ME and Bioware, if there's enough no worries, if not then it's over. It's down to every game owner to choose to spend more money on this.

[Jamie9]

Xellith wrote...
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This is the DLC the BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll flame it because it can take it.

[AlanC9]

I wonder if it matters to Bio, really. Make DLC, make a new game.... I can see just writing off ME3 rather than compromising your vision.

[Jamie9]

sparkyo42 wrote...
That is the other side of the argument (and probably why people are going for "the EVIL Bioware" bit), there's always a chance that something like that is on the cards but it's not right to hold that over people.

At 800 points it comes down to how much love the base has left in the tank for ME and Bioware, if there's enough no worries, if not then it's over. It's down to every game owner to choose to spend more money on this.

Yep. I'm not gonna scream and shout at people for not buying the DLC if BioWare decide the sales are too low. Chances are if the sales are too low, there's a reason for it.

It's then up to BioWare to figure that reason out, and fix it.

[Mr GravyTrain]

I don't think there was anything malicious about the statement but I don't agree with his assertion.

If Leviathan's sales figures don't meet Bioware's intended goals it does not necessarily mean there is no market for their DLC. It may just mean that their product does not align with their existing market's demands. If they determine what their customers will truly pay for they could still see net profit on their SP DLC.

Modifié par Mr GravyTrain, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[The RPGenius]

Oh, right, yes. Because the quality of Leviathan is something we really want to see happen again.

Here's an idea. What if they were to base their future DLC plans on whether or not people are shown to want a Single Player DLC that actually gives players something that they have asked for? Because I'm pretty sure that of the many legitimate requests that people have made for DLC content, from increased romantic interest content to morally adequate endings to a substitute for Diana Allers, there were precious few requests for a "Plot-Hole-Ridden Emotionally-Stunted Adventure Wherein Shepard Meets Star Child's Parents" DLC. Perhaps Bioware's future DLC plans could involve making products that CUSTOMERS WANT TO BUY.

[plfranke]

Jamie9 wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...
That is the other side of the argument (and probably why people are going for "the EVIL Bioware" bit), there's always a chance that something like that is on the cards but it's not right to hold that over people.

At 800 points it comes down to how much love the base has left in the tank for ME and Bioware, if there's enough no worries, if not then it's over. It's down to every game owner to choose to spend more money on this.

Yep. I'm not gonna scream and shout at people for not buying the DLC if BioWare decide the sales are too low. Chances are if the sales are too low, there's a reason for it.

It's then up to BioWare to figure that reason out, and fix it.

Exactly. To just say, well Leviathan didn't sell people must not want sp dlc, back to multiplayer, would be such a mistakened way to treat the fanbase.

[plfranke]

Mr GravyTrain wrote...

I don't think there was anything malicious about the statement but I don't agree his assertion.

If Leviathan's sales figures don't meet Bioware's intended goals it does not necessarily mean there is no market for their DLC. It may just mean that their product does not align with their existing market's demands. If they determine what their customers will truly pay for they could still see net profit on their SP DLC.

EXACTLY! Not saying there's anything malicious, just that it is not the right way to look at the situation. Bioware is ignoring important facts that should be taken into account when making dlc.

[C9316]

They spent all this time ignoring us, and now they want our support? That's not how it works...

[Dr. Megaverse]

Future DLC demands of any kind depend on quality of Leviathan.

Fix't that for him...

[plfranke]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Future DLC demands of any kind depend on quality of Leviathan.

Fix't that for him...

hahaha

[liggy002]

plfranke wrote...

I'm glad some people are finally starting to get the point. I'm not debating the logic behind supply and demand. What I'm saying is if Leviathan sales are low there's one reason behind that, THE ENDING. To play through Leviathan, a dlc with such great potential, just to get to the end and hear a ridiculous story that somewhat supports the Catalyst is a let down. The worst part about it is that Bioware refused to show Leviathan doing anything once you got to London. This cannot continue if Bioware expects to make sales. Tons of fans have told them what they want to see and Bioware refuses to listen. If dlc is to stop being made I don't wanna see them saying "Dlc sales weren't high enough". Tell it like it is. You guys were too indoctrinated by your artistic integrity that you refused to give the fans what they wanted and they stopped giving you your money. Mass Effect 3 deserves better than this to be the way it goes down.

Exactly my thoughts.  Very well said.

[liggy002]

Karma is a b**ch, that's what you get when you don't listen, poor sales.

[Jere85]

I think the leviathan DLC is a last straw for many people.
Alot of fans still stuck to their guns with Leviathan, In hope this would affect something in the game, after being insulted by the 2 extra added lines from the starchild...
Why would people go for something alot more trivial like Omega DLC?

I love to see tons of DLC, if it changes the ending, But if a new DLC pops out, i would like to see the sales numbers on the new one... I won't be surprised if the numbers are tragic at best.
I bought Leviathan, it will be the last DLC i will buy untill something happens, or the game just dies out. And it does not make me any less of a fan, i just want to play stuff that matters.

Ps. We deserve more, after appealing to BW for like half a year now. At least thats what i think... Throw us a fking bone every now and then.

Modifié par Jere85, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[sparkyo42]

plfranke wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...
That is the other side of the argument (and probably why people are going for "the EVIL Bioware" bit), there's always a chance that something like that is on the cards but it's not right to hold that over people.

At 800 points it comes down to how much love the base has left in the tank for ME and Bioware, if there's enough no worries, if not then it's over. It's down to every game owner to choose to spend more money on this.

Yep. I'm not gonna scream and shout at people for not buying the DLC if BioWare decide the sales are too low. Chances are if the sales are too low, there's a reason for it.

It's then up to BioWare to figure that reason out, and fix it.

Exactly. To just say, well Leviathan didn't sell people must not want sp dlc, back to multiplayer, would be such a mistakened way to treat the fanbase.

There might be other sides to it though, first is the reaction of the fans might make them reluctant to go to the fan base for two reasons.

first then you risk the fans arguing over which DLC should come LI's, ME2 companions for example risking damaging an already fragile base.

Second it reopens the end in a different way, say they do a LI DLC , how long before the "well you did this thing that we asked for so why not the 800 lb  gorilla?" comes out to play and then they are back at square one.

It might also be Industrial damage control, it's far easier to say to the media well the fans showed that their interests no longer resided in the outdated SP which validates our pre-planned increase in MP instead of saying the fans didnt want our SP DLC for a number of reasons.

It's a tightrope that Bioware is on and will remain on for some time I think.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

I wonder if anyone will complain if a romance DLC that adds nothing to the plot or the ending is released. If Bioware listens to BSN, that might end up being the only kind of DLC they'll be releasing.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:51 .