Cool sounds..one shot does over 500 damage
and it's the best sniper rifle in the game (yeah,I know it's not in that category..but come on..it's a sniper rifle)
and at rank X it weighs the same as the Geth Plasma Shotgun
Saber rifle, what's the point?
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#102
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 06:38
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Mattock is okay gun but it's accuracy loses on rapid fire use it's okay but again it's not excelling in the massive kick department it is decent in what it does a good all round rifle
the Harrier is a automatic weapon it does not really count in this argument it's accuracy is not a factor as much so it's excluded it and the mattock are exactly similar guns in departments just ones automatic and ones not
Saber is infact a precision rifle it's the sniper/assault rifle hybrid at the beggining ppl argues how bad it was... when in honesty it's far superior to the Black Widow in some uses it carries 8 shots with a 40 spare at lvl 1 it's accuracy in aim mode is perfect at any distance do NOT trust the cross hairs
the sabers superior head shot damage due to having a higher basic dmg alone makes it keenly one of the most monstrous guns does not SUFFER the sniper fire from scope penalty unlike the most case snipers cept Kishock and Raptor whom are immune to that too
and it's in all essence a moderately powerful gun in all instances it think it surpasses black window infact... you might be shocked to hear for a casual use gun but it wont of course benefit from the "sniper boosters" it's technical only down side it's also lighter than the BW at it's corrisponding level so don't ..treat it like a normal assault rifle at all it's a precision rifle
the mattock is a half precision rifle but it's not as precise as it is fast making it a more combat rifle than a precision rifle
the types of assault rifles existing are (not including full sniper which are precision rifles most time)
Mattock-Combat
Harrier-Assault
Revenate-LMG
Typhoon-LMG
Particle Rifle-Precision (cause it's 100% accurate and can force massive headshot dmg)
Striker-Grenade Gun
Falcon-Grenade Gun
Geth Pulse Rifle-Combat Rifle
Phaeston- Assault Rifle
Avenger-Assault Rifle
Vindicator-Combat Rifle
the Harrier is a automatic weapon it does not really count in this argument it's accuracy is not a factor as much so it's excluded it and the mattock are exactly similar guns in departments just ones automatic and ones not
Saber is infact a precision rifle it's the sniper/assault rifle hybrid at the beggining ppl argues how bad it was... when in honesty it's far superior to the Black Widow in some uses it carries 8 shots with a 40 spare at lvl 1 it's accuracy in aim mode is perfect at any distance do NOT trust the cross hairs
the sabers superior head shot damage due to having a higher basic dmg alone makes it keenly one of the most monstrous guns does not SUFFER the sniper fire from scope penalty unlike the most case snipers cept Kishock and Raptor whom are immune to that too
and it's in all essence a moderately powerful gun in all instances it think it surpasses black window infact... you might be shocked to hear for a casual use gun but it wont of course benefit from the "sniper boosters" it's technical only down side it's also lighter than the BW at it's corrisponding level so don't ..treat it like a normal assault rifle at all it's a precision rifle
the mattock is a half precision rifle but it's not as precise as it is fast making it a more combat rifle than a precision rifle
the types of assault rifles existing are (not including full sniper which are precision rifles most time)
Mattock-Combat
Harrier-Assault
Revenate-LMG
Typhoon-LMG
Particle Rifle-Precision (cause it's 100% accurate and can force massive headshot dmg)
Striker-Grenade Gun
Falcon-Grenade Gun
Geth Pulse Rifle-Combat Rifle
Phaeston- Assault Rifle
Avenger-Assault Rifle
Vindicator-Combat Rifle
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the numbers cant tell you how this gun works.
What is this I don't even...
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 06:46
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ok, well go back and read the FIVE pages on this thread about how DPS is subjective BS when pertaining to the saber. this is not an MMO.Rubios wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
the numbers cant tell you how this gun works.
What is this I don't even...
that should help.
"hey, lets just stand in here in the middle of the map, firing nonstop, assuming every bullet hits, assuming every gun works from the same ranges, assuming im not getting shot by enemies, assuming my teammates are fine, never considering the class might be using powers b/w shots, then well put it on a chart and see who is dumb enough to believe it as perfect!"
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#105
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 06:48
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The Saber is good on classes that can strip shields, but I wouldn't use it on adepts or pure combat classes. Overload/ED > Saber Headshot is a nice little combo.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:07
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Nope2.1 wrote...
baralaiex wrote...
Headshots, stopping power, and showing off at level X.
I just want to say. I hate you
I'm a little jealous.
it's great when it gets to X
;D
#107
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:08
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one of my specs got 1000+ damage per shot out of it, so it's not too bad ;p
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:08
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darkpassenger2342 wrote...
ok, well go back and read the FIVE pages on this thread about how DPS is subjective BS when pertaining to the saber. this is not an MMO.Rubios wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
the numbers cant tell you how this gun works.
What is this I don't even...
that should help.
"hey, lets just stand in here in the middle of the map, firing nonstop, assuming every bullet hits, assuming every gun works from the same ranges, assuming im not getting shot by enemies, assuming my teammates are fine, never considering the class might be using powers b/w shots, then well put it on a chart and see who is dumb enough to believe it as perfect!"
DPS is objetive indeed, it involves the dmg a gun can do and time, both easily measurable.
Standing or not in the middle of the map won't change the points of damage a gun does, if you are not firing nonstop against bosses (where DPS matters) you are doing it wrong, if you are shooting a boss and you miss bullets that's your problem too, getting shot by the enemies doesn't affect your gun in any way, your gun won't also change in any way based on the status of your teammates, when you use power you are not using your weapon so that's out of the equation and those charts are perfectly accurate and reflect the DPS a weapon delivers.
If you can't understand their purpose that's your thing, but it doesn't mean they are wrong.
Modifié par Rubios, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:10 .
#109
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:10
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DPS is subjective, and biased, and your paragraph doesnt change that rubios.
it fails to consider far too many variables.
im sick of hearing how the revenant outclasses this and that because people read its dps then assume every bullet hits.
its naive.
there are far too many factors that must be considered before saying
" X gun is better than X gun because the chart says so".
no. SO, once again, where we started.
the numbers can't tell you how the saber works.
it fails to consider far too many variables.
im sick of hearing how the revenant outclasses this and that because people read its dps then assume every bullet hits.
its naive.
there are far too many factors that must be considered before saying
" X gun is better than X gun because the chart says so".
no. SO, once again, where we started.
the numbers can't tell you how the saber works.
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .
#110
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:14
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Saber was either my second or third UR I got. I was happy the day I got it because I loved using it in SP and wanted to know how it performed in MP. I still use it but it's only on my Paladin and GE cause I stay back a lot with those classes.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:25
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darkpassenger2342 wrote...
DPS is subjective, and biased, and your paragraph doesnt change that rubios.
it fails to consider far too many variables.
It considers all variables in a perfectly objetive way, RoF = max RoF of the gun, damage = damage of the gun, every bullet hits and reload time is taken into account too.
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
im sick of hearing how the revenant outclasses this and that because people read its dps then assume every bullet hits.
If every bullet hits the Revenant outclases this and that, that's what the DPS charts are telling you, everything else is just your imagination.
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
the numbers can't tell you how the saber works.
Yes they can, like every other weapon.
And in the case of Saber / Paladin / Crusader they are even more relevant because you can assume every bullet hits (unless your suck).
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:27
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you are a naive fool.Rubios wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
DPS is subjective, and biased, and your paragraph doesnt change that rubios.
it fails to consider far too many variables.
It considers all variables in a perfectly objetive way, RoF = max RoF of the gun, damage = damage of the gun, every bullet hits and reload time is taken into account too.darkpassenger2342 wrote...
im sick of hearing how the revenant outclasses this and that because people read its dps then assume every bullet hits.
If every bullet hits the Revenant outclases this and that, that's what the DPS charts are telling you, everything else is just your imagination.darkpassenger2342 wrote...
the numbers can't tell you how the saber works.
Yes they can, like every other weapon.
And in the case of Saber / Paladin / Crusader they are even more relevant because you can assume every bullet hits (unless your suck).
i say it in as much of a non-insulting manner as possible over text, but thats exactly what you are being by believing this crap, a naive fool.
try playing the game bro.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:31
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I assumed you got basic education including math, my mistake "bro".darkpassenger2342 wrote...
you are a naive fool.Rubios wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
DPS is subjective, and biased, and your paragraph doesnt change that rubios.
it fails to consider far too many variables.
It considers all variables in a perfectly objetive way, RoF = max RoF of the gun, damage = damage of the gun, every bullet hits and reload time is taken into account too.darkpassenger2342 wrote...
im sick of hearing how the revenant outclasses this and that because people read its dps then assume every bullet hits.
If every bullet hits the Revenant outclases this and that, that's what the DPS charts are telling you, everything else is just your imagination.darkpassenger2342 wrote...
the numbers can't tell you how the saber works.
Yes they can, like every other weapon.
And in the case of Saber / Paladin / Crusader they are even more relevant because you can assume every bullet hits (unless your suck).
i say it in as much of a non-insulting manner as possible over text, but thats exactly what you are being by believing this crap, a naive fool.
try playing the game bro.
Modifié par Rubios, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:32 .
#114
Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:32
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rubios, you only have the saber 3, the only basis you have for your argument is the stupid chart.
another know it all that doesnt even use the guns. damnit.
as i said before you went on and on, either you like the saber or you don't.
the numbers won't convince someone as ignorant as you.
another know it all that doesnt even use the guns. damnit.
as i said before you went on and on, either you like the saber or you don't.
the numbers won't convince someone as ignorant as you.
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:33 .
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:38
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Again, me having a Saber 3 or a Saber 7634^19 won't change the damage a Saber X does in-game or the time it takes to shoot, thus won't change it's DPS.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:39
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what also wont change is your stubborn persistance that those ridiculous subjective charts mean anything.Rubios wrote...
Again, me having a Saber 3 or a Saber 7634^19 won't change the damage a Saber X does in-game or the time it takes to shoot, thus won't change it's DPS.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:39
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this argument is meaningless shut up
The SABER IS A SNIPER it's DPS should be consider MORE into PRECISION TIMED HEADSHOTS not PER BLAST
it's HEADSHOT DPS is GREATER than the Harrier/Mattock does this appease you dorks? FFS nobody is perfect and hits the mark 100% nobody can apply pure numbers there are factors of "control" and environment and wtf FULL DPS is a horrid way to go by it yes DPS measures full on before reload sure... but the question is do all guns always get the chance to unload? no cause we ourselves are under fire we hide we don't Rambo around cause it kills us so DPS is one factor Environmental Survival another
I will explain this again it's a
"Precision" Rifle measure it's DPS through Headshot mostly not ratio of shots blasted out
measure DPS more with the Mattock Mattocks single bullet is 130 dmg at lvl X so is the Harrier
the Mattock is OUTDONE by the Phalanx... did you SEE that coming? nor via DPS but per bullet
it deals a tiny bit more umph and is FAR more accurate it can out do the mattock in headshots DPS overall as the Mattock loses nearly all ability at full rate fire and I can fire that phalanx several times more keen and faster it also reloads quicker too so there these guns all have their comparative weakness and strengths you are a fool to read just "numbers" or just "environment" understanding is your weapon not one route makes the gun the player.. makes the gun yes there are guns that suck now Krysae has becomes so meh and the Falcon the poor dear lost it's umph comparison to a acolyte
The SABER IS A SNIPER it's DPS should be consider MORE into PRECISION TIMED HEADSHOTS not PER BLAST
it's HEADSHOT DPS is GREATER than the Harrier/Mattock does this appease you dorks? FFS nobody is perfect and hits the mark 100% nobody can apply pure numbers there are factors of "control" and environment and wtf FULL DPS is a horrid way to go by it yes DPS measures full on before reload sure... but the question is do all guns always get the chance to unload? no cause we ourselves are under fire we hide we don't Rambo around cause it kills us so DPS is one factor Environmental Survival another
I will explain this again it's a
"Precision" Rifle measure it's DPS through Headshot mostly not ratio of shots blasted out
measure DPS more with the Mattock Mattocks single bullet is 130 dmg at lvl X so is the Harrier
the Mattock is OUTDONE by the Phalanx... did you SEE that coming? nor via DPS but per bullet
it deals a tiny bit more umph and is FAR more accurate it can out do the mattock in headshots DPS overall as the Mattock loses nearly all ability at full rate fire and I can fire that phalanx several times more keen and faster it also reloads quicker too so there these guns all have their comparative weakness and strengths you are a fool to read just "numbers" or just "environment" understanding is your weapon not one route makes the gun the player.. makes the gun yes there are guns that suck now Krysae has becomes so meh and the Falcon the poor dear lost it's umph comparison to a acolyte
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:39
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It used to be beastly until the newer weapons showed up. Now, it's just kinda there.
I use it with my Battlefield 3 Soldier...but I'm thinking of switching it.
I use it with my Battlefield 3 Soldier...but I'm thinking of switching it.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:40
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darkpassenger2342 is right. DPS can be a useful measure, but isn't gospel. A gun is always used in combination with a class and specific playstyle and DPS is an ideal situation thing, where you fire the gun under perfect conditions.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:43
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Poison_Berrie wrote...
darkpassenger2342 is right. DPS can be a useful measure, but isn't gospel. A gun is always used in combination with a class and specific playstyle and DPS is an ideal situation thing, where you fire the gun under perfect conditions.
Right
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:44
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darkpassenger2342 wrote...
rubios, you only have the saber 3, the only basis you have for your argument is the stupid chart.
another know it all that doesnt even use the guns. damnit.
as i said before you went on and on, either you like the saber or you don't.
the numbers won't convince someone as ignorant as you.
Why are you being so hostile? Chill the **** out.
DPS is a set number and we can all base our in game experience on that. Regardless of each bullet is on target or not.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:44
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ValorOfArms777 wrote...
it's HEADSHOT DPS is GREATER than the Harrier/Mattock does this appease you dorks?
Too bad you can't headshot bosses.
Poison_Berrie wrote...
darkpassenger2342 is right. DPS can
be a useful measure, but isn't gospel. A gun is always used in
combination with a class and specific playstyle and DPS is an ideal
situation thing, where you fire the gun under perfect
conditions.
Agree, but in the case of Saber vs Paladin those conditions are pretty close to the in-game ones since hitting with every bullet is pretty feasible.
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:49
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Rubios wrote...
ValorOfArms777 wrote...
it's HEADSHOT DPS is GREATER than the Harrier/Mattock does this appease you dorks?
Too bad you can't headshot bosses.
Too bad the Paladin can't stagger then.
Out of curiosity, how much would your DPS drop if you lost shields, and had to wait for them to recharge? :innocent:
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Posté 01 septembre 2012 - 07:56
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I think he's being hostile because the guy he's talking to is being obtuse.
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Ashen Earth wrote...
Rubios wrote...
ValorOfArms777 wrote...
it's HEADSHOT DPS is GREATER than the Harrier/Mattock does this appease you dorks?
Too bad you can't headshot bosses.
Too bad the Paladin can't stagger then.
Out of curiosity, how much would your DPS drop if you lost shields, and had to wait for them to recharge? :innocent:
Since you can't do damage while not shooting there would be no DPS.
I don't see how that relates to the saber damage though, if you are trying to imply that you will do more damage because you can stagger them leading to less shield drops the same can be said about the paladin.
more dps = the boss dies faster = less time to shot at you / your teammates = less dropped shields
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