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[Chealec]

I currently have:

102 Targeting VI level III
44 Targeting VI level II
63 Targeting VI level I

Must use my Saber wielding AV more often...

[anddill]

Besides of the numbers, there is another advantage in using the Saber, at least for me:
The Saber sounds badass, feels badass, and when i play with it I for myself fell badass, and play better.

[darkpassenger2342]

himegoto wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

rubios, you only have the saber 3, the only basis you have for your argument is the stupid chart.

another know it all that doesnt even use the guns. damnit.
as i said before you went on and on, either you like the saber or you don't.
the numbers won't convince someone as ignorant as you.

Why are you being so hostile? Chill the **** out.

DPS is a set number and we can all base our in game experience on that. Regardless of each bullet is on target or not.

I've seen the way you talk to people, i said he is ignorant because he is being ignorant. 
you've been much more insulting recently on your human sentinel threads.
This thread is about saber pros.
i listed some pros, but was told they are bs because of "the chart"
its the chart thats BS.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 septembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Poison_Berrie]

Rubios wrote...

Agree, but in the case of Saber vs Paladin those conditions are pretty close to the in-game ones since hitting with every bullet is pretty feasible.

Actually you won't.

Both weapons preform better with headshots, meaning you have to line them up and then wait for you accuracy to be stabilize after shooting, unless your using scopes. 
Without a scope the Saber has better accuracy, but (I think) a longer stabilization time between shots.
With scope both guns are as fast as you can put the head back into the scope, with the Saber having more recoil (though I found it easy to compensate).

Overall the Saber will see less of a DPS drop for head shots, but the Paladin will feel this more (in DPS).

EDIT @ Darkpassenger: It's neither biased or subjective, it's idealized. It's an objective measure, but that's less meaningful outside non-ideal parameters (in the actual game).

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 01 septembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[ValorOfArms777]

Paladin isn't really that superior the Carnifix outdoes it then the Saber yes not a grand boss killer but it's better than the any of the sniper rifles of late and it can dish out a nice pace of damage it's not a bad gun at all and comparison wise the paladin is lesser than the Saber especially as a sniper but the paladin is lighter ... that's just a fact

Boss foes require a different outlook all boss foes have "Armor" and a shield/barrier and mid bosses like Ravengers/Brutes/Phantoms Brutes have armor only Ravengers have armor only and Phantoms have barriers Geth only closest to mid boss is Pyros

and some enemies can perform "Evasion" which negates a power/shots striking at them once anyways when it comes to hitting bosses ...well GL with that and you can be precision on Atlas cause they have 5 points of interest to hit the Flanges of the Knees and shoulder fronts and the crotch plate they cause spiked dmg when destroyed jsut make sure the engineer is gone... again that's not HS dmg but still

but most waves you shouldn't concentrate all the firepower on the bosses you need to eliminate as many smaller units to speed up the rounds if you wanna do it fast and precision head shots make the difference right there bosses can be more viably taken out by powers especially cause tech/biotic/fire ex/cryo ex are % dmg based on the rank of the primer/detonator and the foes overall Shld/Barr/Armor/HP tally they have max

[Sniper21987]

first UR i got haven't look back. bad against bosses tho so i have the acolyte with it

[darkpassenger2342]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Rubios wrote...

Agree, but in the case of Saber vs Paladin those conditions are pretty close to the in-game ones since hitting with every bullet is pretty feasible.

Actually you won't.

Both weapons preform better with headshots, meaning you have to line them up and then wait for you accuracy to be stabilize after shooting, unless your using scopes. 
Without a scope the Saber has better accuracy, but (I think) a longer stabilization time between shots.
With scope both guns are as fast as you can put the head back into the scope, with the Saber having more recoil (though I found it easy to compensate).

Overall the Saber will see less of a DPS drop for head shots, but the Paladin will feel this more (in DPS).

EDIT @ Darkpassenger: It's neither biased or subjective, it's idealized. It's an objective measure, but that's less meaningful outside non-ideal parameters (in the actual game).

 i can agree with that, but it doesnt determine which guns are superior when some guns ( like the saber) have alternative factors to usefulness. when it becomes biased is when people use it as a end-all argument fact.
ammo count, range, health, enemy distractions, teammate status, enemy type, cover status, clip size, equipped mods, and equipped gears all affect these numbers. weight of the gun affects the character's overall DPS, because we dont know what powers/debuffs they are using.
all that before we even discuss the class using the gun, and his/her bonuses.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 septembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[ValorOfArms777]

Sniper21987 wrote...

first UR i got haven't look back. bad against bosses tho so i have the acolyte with it

Saber is pretty moderate agianst bosses/Mid bosses just make sure to peg the shots right again it's not the greatest though that I agree but it's not liek shooting a avenger and btw the paladin/BW can't help you much against the bosses either thsi gun has 8 in the hold so it can more easily deal with those threats

a Saber 100% accuracy in iron sight mode it also grants even more reliable stability in cover making it easily one of the greatest HS shooters a good shooter cna score 90% of his hits if the foe does not alter path with a evasion or suddenly moves before reaction tiem of trigger press which can happen this gun shows esspecialy powerfuluse as a Destroy weapon a Geth Hunter Mode weapon and Infiltrators using 1 extra power line will also enjoy thsi gun more than a normal sniper it provids a great deal of umph too causing a nice stagger nearly rivaling the deciples this gun can smash a head shot stagger even when their shields are up and massivly cause a join secondary finnish shot when this happens if they get to close to you you cna perform a body shot and I garantee about 60% of the time it fires a shot from this it will cause a staggger and can refile in 1 second momments permiting it to refire again

it allow the user to stay in spot longer than snipers cause of the larger spare basic lvl 1 holding 40 alone making it a great hold the line gun sur ehte reload is kinda slow but you wont need to reload too often unlike a singel shot up to a tri shot sniper it seems to be much superior in these regards comparison sniper wise and the recoil is very low it always return to point position right after cause of the refire rate and if not damn near close if you can fire it faster esspecialy behind cover it will hold the ground also screen shakes which effect scoping worse cause of the magnification instead it remains nearly stable in iron sight mode and you don't need a scope with it at all as fireing it withotu a scope gives you wider vision array and you can always knwo that the guns Iron sight fire is 100% and with a scope the hip fire is 100% on the mark it's crosshairs are lieing...it's far more accurate 

[Midou-Kun]

I believe it's a matter of preference. The Saber doesn't shoot like the Mattock, nor does the Mattock shoot like the Harrier. It's a matter of working with the weapon, not just "using" it. Some people are comfy rocking the Harrier, others the Saber.

[Lucius Aelius]

himegoto wrote...

Lucius Aelius wrote...

The Saber is my favorite weapon in the game, no contest. I use it on half my characters (usually with extended mag/AP mods), and mine is one of the five UR's I have at X so it's got the show-off factor going for it too... Whatever the level though, the Saber kicks ass. It's true that you need good aim (headshots) to warrant using it over other weapons, but if you've got decent aim, you can't go wrong choosing the Saber.

Its not bad. But there are far superior choices.

I don't often say this explicitly, but you're completely wrong.

[ValorOfArms777]

I'm cumfy rocking any weapon as long as it does not fail the criteria of being able to handle krysae... and Falcon are two guns incapable to handle as much anymore...

[yarpenthemad21]

when headshoting it is fun and effective.
vs bosses it does nothing. year to kill atlas with this gun.

[corporal doody]

i love love love the saber on my Asari Vanguard. unfortunately it has some serious kick...and i am unable to handle it as well as some others...but using with a scope and extended barrel? BEST SNIPING WEAPON AVAILABLE IMHO! serious damage....lots of rounds in a "magazine." Lighter weight than most sniper rifles....and AR! use incendiary or AP ammo...CALL IT A MUTHA F'n day! WOOOOO


edit...i dunno man...i got no problem popping rounds at a boss type mob with it...i can think of WORSE weapons to shoot bosses with

Modifié par corporal doody, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[himegoto]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

rubios, you only have the saber 3, the only basis you have for your argument is the stupid chart.

another know it all that doesnt even use the guns. damnit.
as i said before you went on and on, either you like the saber or you don't.
the numbers won't convince someone as ignorant as you.

Why are you being so hostile? Chill the **** out.

DPS is a set number and we can all base our in game experience on that. Regardless of each bullet is on target or not.

I've seen the way you talk to people, i said he is ignorant because he is being ignorant. 
you've been much more insulting recently on your human sentinel threads.
This thread is about saber pros.
i listed some pros, but was told they are bs because of "the chart"
its the chart thats BS.

I dont know what my thread about the human sentinel has to do with you being hostile here.

That guy didnt call the saber bs from what I see. He pointed out you cannot argue with the real numbers between the weapons. The DPS stats is a set number, it's a fact. Not bs.
Like I said, DPS numbers and then the game experience build on that.
And please show some class.

[corporal doody]

himegoto wrote...


I dont know what my thread about the human sentinel has to do with you being hostile here.

That guy didnt call the saber bs from what I see. He pointed out you cannot argue with the real numbers between the weapons. The DPS stats is a set number, it's a fact. Not bs.
Like I said, DPS numbers and then the game experience build on that.
And please show some class.

i dunno dude....DPS charts and hocus-pocus math.....

there are some weapons that have much higher dps on paper...dont FEEL like they are very good.

the saber, however, is a good weapon....not the greatest....but it feels like a beast. And preception is 9/10 the truth! I think....therefore it is!!!  IMMA ROCK THE SABER.....and rule the skool! WOOOOOO



MATH BE DAMNED!!!

[Horace530]

Try to play Silver Solo(sure it's not that hard) on firebase White, at Wave 11， stand on the OP then try the guns out. Saber is your obvious choice. Headshot everything.
Harrier is good, but it doesn't has enough ammo reserver unless you've maxed it out
Mattock is buffed and a good marksman gun, but its not powerful enough nor it has near-none recoil to perform some headshot killstreak. Plus it sucks when using it to kill boss somehow.

[himegoto]

corporal doody wrote...

himegoto wrote...


I dont know what my thread about the human sentinel has to do with you being hostile here.

That guy didnt call the saber bs from what I see. He pointed out you cannot argue with the real numbers between the weapons. The DPS stats is a set number, it's a fact. Not bs.
Like I said, DPS numbers and then the game experience build on that.
And please show some class.

i dunno dude....DPS charts and hocus-pocus math.....

there are some weapons that have much higher dps on paper...dont FEEL like they are very good.

the saber, however, is a good weapon....not the greatest....but it feels like a beast. And preception is 9/10 the truth! I think....therefore it is!!!  IMMA ROCK THE SABER.....and rule the skool! WOOOOOO



MATH BE DAMNED!!!

Yeah. Kishock and Graal for example are silly against armors. 
DPS wise I feel the saber (7 or 8) outdamages my paladin X. At the cost of longer cooldowns however.
But we still need some guidelines to judge the weapons and the DPS chart is the basis of that.

Saber is a good weapon. Hell Paladin too. But I dont cannot find a use them on any characters nowadays.. There's always other weapons that do the job better.

[elessarz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

It's for shooting.

[kr3g]

I would like to have fully automatic saber

[DarklighterFreak]

BOOM headshot. Trace new target. Headshot. repeat cycle till everything is dead. easy as this.

[kr3g]

Or RoF increased from 80 to 400, with more recoil.

So you can still snipe if you want, but when let's say brute come close, you quickly emty your clip in it, most likely hitting plates as well

[sclera]

Stats (especially DPS stats) are mostly meaningless. 

[kmmd60]

Saber is pretty good in a prolonged combat. Harrier and Mattock are usually ran out of clips before Saber. Headshots and stopping power are Saber best performance. With perfect ironsight accuracy, you don't really need scope - you don't get tunnel vision.

However, Saber can't be fired without aiming and need to wait for the sight to be accurate before the next shot. Scope fix that. No innate piercing just complicate thing a bit.

Harrier and Mattock are decent. Compared three of these gun together is a bit unfair since their function are different. Harrier is best used in a run and gun build with barrage gear. But you know that when you got pinned down in certain area like hack objective, your ammo will be gone pretty fast. The same applied Mattock as well.

DPS and actual performance is two side of the same coin. One is fact, one is experience and skill combined.

[mybudgee]

Guys... EASY with the Nerd-rage! Geez. I like the Saber A LOT btw..

[Princess Rolf]

Ashen Earth wrote...

lol, another "DPS" theorycrafter that only sees numbers, and not actual in game performance.

The Harrier and Mattock cannot OSK an enemy with a headshot. The Saber has greater effective range than either, and staggers enemies a lot more frequently than the Harrier and Mattock. The Saber is capable of dealing more damage before you need to make a trip to the ammo crate.

/THIS, OP needs to understand numbers...