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[FlintlockJazz]

It's not them, this is a common technique in developing games, the reuse of materials. Instead of making whole new faces they just dragged up some from elsewhere. As to the 'well it's too much of a coincidence for both of them to be there', the devs probably just did it for ****s and giggles. In Silent Hill 2 there is a corpse in a chair, the corpse is of the main character as they already had a pose of him in a chair for another scene and so just reused that instead of wasting time making a new one. Ser Gilmore being used for the other scene too confirms this.

[The Angry One]

That picture disturbs me, I refuse to accept that Gilmore is dead.

I therefore reject your reality and substitute my own.

[Estelindis]

For what it's worth, I just checked in the toolset and those are indeed the exact faces for Gilmore and Mallol. You may choose to believe that these prisoners don't represent those characters, and are simply look-alikes, but it is beyond dispute that they use the head morphs of those characters (hm_bdn100_gilmore and hf_bdn100_mallol, respectively; that said, the creatures are entitled Generic Prisoner 1 and 2).

[JasonPogo]

Yeah I see it more as just an easter egg kind of thing. So you know people like us will talk about it on a message board.

[Stuffy38]

Well it obviously worked

[Sabriana]

Stuffy38 wrote...

Well it obviously worked

That it did

However, I refuse to believe that this dead man is Ser Gilmore in any way, shape, or form, and I will happily continue to believe with all my heart that he somehow made it out of Highever alive. And no one can stop me.

[Arkaelis]

Well that's certainly a morbid easter egg.

[robertthebard]

Sabriana wrote...

Stuffy38 wrote...

Well it obviously worked

That it did

However, I refuse to believe that this dead man is Ser Gilmore in any way, shape, or form, and I will happily continue to believe with all my heart that he somehow made it out of Highever alive. And no one can stop me.

I just got an email from Ser Gilmore, and he assures me that he's quite dead drunk in Hawaii, kicking it up with Mallol.

[DLAN_Immortality]

Well, as I said on another post, David Gaider never really tell me it was him...


But seeing this pic I think it's quite obvious... I'm thinking it could be hilarious to have Gilmore (from my mod) say "By the Maker! And to think this could have been me!" as an interjection after this showed. :-D


Ho, ho, ho!


EDIT: oh, and BTW, he seems pretty alive to me here: :-p

EDIT #2:

The Angry One wrote...

That picture disturbs me, I refuse to accept that Gilmore is dead.
I therefore reject your reality and substitute my own.

This comment has double win! :-D



A bit of expansion on the main thought:

Skellimancer has it right. Why would they take them there to be tortured? In any case, it makes more sense that they were tortured to death in Highever castle... or just killed without any other regard, right?

My thought (at least for the mod and this is what he tells you when you find him again in Lothering) is that he was tortured (interrogated) at the castle and escaped after 3 days. I think that had he not escaped so soon, he would have been killed.

Modifié par DLAN_Immortality, 05 janvier 2010 - 11:41 .

[_- Songlian -]

Well, there are 100 reasons for that body to be his and another hundred for it to be just a coincidence.

Myself, I prefer the version with him "dead drunk in Hawaii".

Modifié par - Songlian -, 05 janvier 2010 - 04:42 .

[steelfire_dragon]

Maker's spit.

its them alright, I killed them myself.

you want to know where I did it?

i killed them in the chantry in denerim.



so those two templars that were keeping everyone out of the chantry, they were stopping you from seeing my handywork.





just kidding.

does look like them though... morbid

[Gipp3r]

Your mother has grey hair the woman in the pic looks as if she has darkbrown/brunnet hair.

Edit: realizing now this thread was about a whole different mother, guess I was pritty tierd not realizing that =P

Modifié par Gipp3r, 12 janvier 2010 - 07:07 .

[Vicious]

That's because it's MOTHER MALLOL, the Chantry priestess that lived in your castle.

You are NEVER shown what happened to her... till that moment in Fort Drakon. So it makes sense they carried her off.

As for Ser Gilmore, well he was probably beaten unconscious and kept by Howe when he found out there was a couple survivors... or maybe he just wanted to have some extra people to torture.

Anyway... yeah... that's them. Look in the toolset. Sorry Ser Gilmore fans. I liked him a lot too


What a sad, ignoble death. The guy deserved better.

Also Bioware could have done better and let us interact with their bodies. Probably just another thing that couldn't be done by release time.

Modifié par Vicious, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:53 .

[tevikolady]

Here are two possible scenarios. . .



1) Ser Gilmore was captured instead of killed for information. After all, the body of a certain human noble isn't counted amoung the dead, and there is a lack of a Grey Warden corpse as well. People can live for months under torture, if the torturer likes. Its not unreasonable.



2) Ser Gilmore was knocked unconcious when Howe's men broke through the gates, and so considered dead when the guards began battling. During the onfusion, Ser Gilmore wakes up, finds a dead Howe guard, and dons his uniform, slipping out before anyone can question who he is. He then goes in search of Fergus.



Ta-da!

[DLAN_Immortality]

Scenario 3 (I'm shameless, I know):



a- Ser Gilmore is knocked unconscious, fell prisoner and was interrogated at Highever for 3 days. Escaped and went to Ostagar to find Duncan. Duncan was dead (oops) so he followed the rest refugees to Lothering.



b- Finds the pc and joins the group.



c- Romance and sex!



d- ???



e- Profit!

[Laurelinde]

Oh my that is a sad screenie, I never noticed it when I was there. I do remember noticing that Mallol was not in the chapel though, nor her body. Poor Gilmore. My Cousland had an unspoken affection for him.

[pvpgirl]

DLAN_Immortality wrote...

c- Romance and sex!

d- ???

Call me a pervert, but C just kinda jumps out at me.

[Rhinna]

Yes, I would have liked a "meet me later" option with Ser Gilmore rather than that little prig Darrien...ugh. :-)

[pvpgirl]

Rhinna wrote...

Yes, I would have liked a "meet me later" option with Ser Gilmore rather than that little prig Darrien...ugh. :-)

omgosh!  Yes!  lol You'll find this funny.  But I was playing through human noble as a male for the first time.  I generally hate playing males, being a female gamer.   I decided I needed an ending where I married Anora and became king, thus Apollyon was born.  Totally forgot I was supposed to be a dude, and picked up on Darrien in the origin story.   My bf has been giving me crap about how my male noble is accidentally gay.

[Vicious]

I imagine that they are leftover from when Denerim was visitable and the Landsmeet was doable in the very beginning of the game, if one wanted, and Denerim by far has the most to do with human nobles than any other race, really.



In any case, sad way to go.

[Ulicus]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

It's not them, this is a common technique in developing games, the reuse of materials. Instead of making whole new faces they just dragged up some from elsewhere. As to the 'well it's too much of a coincidence for both of them to be there', the devs probably just did it for ****s and giggles. In Silent Hill 2 there is a corpse in a chair, the corpse is of the main character as they already had a pose of him in a chair for another scene and so just reused that instead of wasting time making a new one. Ser Gilmore being used for the other scene too confirms this.

Exactly.

Eleanor Cousland reappears as one of the people around "The Axe in the Treestump", and unless she's going through an epic amnesia storyline....

[Isaantia]

Ulicus wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

It's not them, this is a common technique in developing games, the reuse of materials. Instead of making whole new faces they just dragged up some from elsewhere. As to the 'well it's too much of a coincidence for both of them to be there', the devs probably just did it for ****s and giggles. In Silent Hill 2 there is a corpse in a chair, the corpse is of the main character as they already had a pose of him in a chair for another scene and so just reused that instead of wasting time making a new one. Ser Gilmore being used for the other scene too confirms this.

Exactly.

Eleanor Cousland reappears as one of the people around "The Axe in the Treestump", and unless she's going through an epic amnesia storyline....

And don't forget Vaughan who appears on the floor in the crowd during Landsmeet even if you killed him. I'm in the "he's ALIVE" camp. Apparently nearly everyone in Thedas has a twin! :happy:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

For those who wonder how and why Mallol and Gilmore might have survived and dragged off for torture, remember, Howe wanted ALL the Couslands dead. yet strangely, the two Cousland kid's bodies are not amongst the dead. Im sure after he killed the Teyrn and teyrna, and asked to see all the corpses, his men could not find Fergus and the PC amongst the carnage.



That, to, Howe, is unacceptable, as there exist two potential complications out there that can come back and bite him or challenge him. The Warden's fate, he probably discovers through Loghain. But fergus, the elder child, the one who still has the claim to the land and titles, is somewhere out there, and no one, not even the king, seems to know where exactly. This is something Howe is going to want to find out. Quickly. Since he already killed mom and dad, next best thing is to gather any survivors in the household and find out where exactly. Howe only knows that Fergus was supposed to leave with the forces that night, he doesn't know which route, how many did he leave with, ect. Anyone still alive could be tortured for the info.



While Gilmore wouldn't voluntarily surrender, it doesn't preclude him being knocked out or otherwise incapacitated. Malloi could have likewise, been wounded, but not killed.



Of course,. it could just be random bodies as well. You never know with Bioware.

[GregorLightbringer]

I went back to a save game and looked myself and I saw the same thing. I also took a screen shot of the torture area after i was captured. I made a screenshot but IDK how to insert it here.

[bzombo]

dark-lauron wrote...

Yeah, he's dead long before you could possibly see his body in one whole not decaying piece. And besides, Howe's men killed even children, why would they spare a knight strong enough to kill some of them?

because one of the couslands(you) has escaped and they need some prisoners to torture answers out of. once they find out where the warden(you) is, they torture and kill their prisoners. howe loves torture. who better than some people from the castle he took?

edit: @skadi: forgot about fergus. that's another reason, and who better than gilmore, a close friend, and mollol to get information out of?

Modifié par bzombo, 30 avril 2010 - 06:34 .