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[MegaSovereign]

Gemini1179 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

No, the difference is that Skyrim is the COD of RPG games in terms of sales and that even at worst case scenario Skyrim DLC will make profit. They don't have to worry as much about DLC production cost because profit is basically guaranteed

Bethesda has a track record of unethical business practices. For starters, they released unplayable PS3 versions of their games (not just Skyrim)..

The worst thing Bioware has done so far is release a poorly thought out ending and day one DLC. Ohhh no, crime against humanity right thar.

I've highlighted the two parts of your original response that had nothing to do with your response to what I had posted, which was your first paragraph.

You argued against my comment that the DLC development for Skyrim seemed more about the product than the money by saying it doesn't matter what they make because they'll still make money. That's OK. But even if you have a safety net, things can still go wrong, I only responded by saying that BioWare had that kind of devotion from their fanbase- not the numbers.

The bold and italic comments were the instigation of whatever percieved slight you think I've done to you.

I was replying to the bolded part of your previous post which implied that Bethesda does DLC as fanfare. The truth is Bethesda has a little bit more creative freedom with DLC because their game is so popular that profit is almost guaranteed. They don't have to worry as much about DLC production costs when they're almost certain they'll get a return from it. 

"The bold and italic comments" were actually not what I found insulting. It was actually the part where you basically called me a blind Bioware fanboy.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[CitizenThom]

My imaginary perfect game designer and publisher is here -------->








Bioware and Electronic Arts are here ------------------------------------->















Bethesda is here-------------------------------------------------------------->

Modifié par CitizenThom, 02 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[Hey]

CitizenThom wrote...

My imaginary perfect game designer and publisher is here -------->








Bioware and Electronic Arts are here ----------------->

















Bethesda is here----------------------------------------->

and it's not opposite day, correct?

[CitizenThom]

Festae9 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

My imaginary perfect game designer and publisher is here -------->








Bioware and Electronic Arts are here ----------------->

















Bethesda is here----------------------------------------->

and it's not opposite day, correct?

It has mostly to do with my not having a gaming pc or an xbox.

edit: Plus- Oblivion felt kind of empty compared to any EA or Bioware game I've ever played.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 02 septembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[Hey]

CitizenThom wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

My imaginary perfect game designer and publisher is here -------->








Bioware and Electronic Arts are here ----------------->

















Bethesda is here----------------------------------------->

and it's not opposite day, correct?

It has mostly to do with my not having a gaming pc or an xbox.

edit: Plus- Oblivion felt kind of empty compared to any EA or Bioware game I've ever played.

ah, I feel your pain.  Sounds like the PS3 users get hosed.
just wanted to connect with another Vorcha more than anything 

[Rip504]

I have to say,I enjoy both BW and Bethesda overall around the same. I also prefer Skyrim to ME3 any day. I have been extremely lucky with my Bethesda titles.(360) Skyrim,I honestly do not recall running into many glitches,and I still play it a lot.

Every time I turn on ME3,I run into glitches. Absurdly irritating glitches. Now that is from just personal experience. Ah I did have one glitch on Skyrim I can remember. It was during my 15th and final Deadra Quest... The guy I was suppose to follow disappeared. I had to replay like 3 or 4 Deadra missions because of my save points. I lol'd,but they have since seemed to fix this. And added a great deal of fun. I enjoy the crafting of arrows addition the most. Also Dragon Bone weapons,giving purpose to Dragon smiting perk.

ME3 DLC gives purpose to the codex. The guns are good,but sold separately.!. Also DLC seems to be overpriced.
Skyrim DLC effects each playthrough throughout. ME3 DLC affects sections and adds very little to the overall experience. (IMO) A codex entry compared to active items throughout pushing further SP gameplay.

Modifié par Rip504, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:03 .

[CitizenThom]

Festae9 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

It has mostly to do with my not having a gaming pc or an xbox.

edit: Plus- Oblivion felt kind of empty compared to any EA or Bioware game I've ever played.

ah, I feel your pain.  Sounds like the PS3 users get hosed.
just wanted to connect with another Vorcha more than anything 

Vorcha are fun to play as, and in all truth I think Bethesda is likely a better company for pc games.

One of the things I appreciate about Bioware is their efforts to make their games available to console users, but take that out of the equation, and I would admit Bethesda and Bioware are both good game makers. Now, Bethesda lets you kind of make up your own ending, because their games(I've only played Oblivion) aren't really written with a specific ending, only endings to specific series of events. And Bioware of recent games only seems to stumble a tad when it comes to wrapping up the game's story with an ending. That said, Rip504 has a point with regards to DLC value from the two companies. In that regard it does sound like Bethesda gives you a better value.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Blind2Society]

Hydralysk wrote...

To Bioware's credit though, at least they can get their games working on PS3.

Yeah, I have Fallout 3 and New Vegas for the PS3. The framerate drops were infuriating.

Will probably have to get them for PC when I get the extra cash.

[Karimloo]

Compare a huge open world game with thousands of options and ways to play on the fly, with a non-linear approach, with infinite amounts of repeatable content. That has bugs because of how much content is in it.

To a linear, corridor fail shooter, with no effort due to rehash and constant recycling of engine and animations. On an old engine too, still, riddled with bugs. Like invisible Geth.

You're SOOOOOO right Bioware Social, SOOO RIGHT, BETHESDA JUST CANNOT COMPETE. OH Heavens those bugs and patches evident in ME1-3 even in a game so linear and small, yet better because BioWare.

Oh Heavens that community bigger than ours making mods and allowing modding without hardcoding the engine like ME3.

Oh dear god the PR managers of Bethesda not swearing at customers.

So right BioWare Social.

This community is just the worst.

[Tipsyfresh]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Not to mention Skyrim is like the CoD of RPGs.

[Tipsyfresh]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

What do you expect Bethesda games are the Cod of RPGs?

Not sure how this is true when Bethesda makes some of the most immersive RPGs out there.

Lol! I like your sarcasm.

Skyrim seemed to be what DA2 should've strove for....just sayin-_-

[knightnblu]

Festae9 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

My imaginary perfect game designer and publisher is here -------->








Bioware and Electronic Arts are here ----------------->

















Bethesda is here----------------------------------------->

and it's not opposite day, correct?

I disagree. While Bethesda may not be as polished as BioWare, it still has a vibrant modding community and it produces decent games. When I first played Skyrim I was amazed. I could go anywhere, do anything, and if I wanted to pursue the main plot I did. I run a heavily modded installation of Skyrim and it rocks. ME3 not so much.
 
It isn't that I didn't enjoy ME3, I did, but the original ending left a bad taste in my mouth and now I don't trust BioWare any further than I could toss them. When your argument boils down to "it's art" to defend your poor performance, you have lost something. In fact, BioWare has left a trail of failures one right after another beginning with DA2 and running through to ME3. Some were big and some not so much, but it proves that there is chaos within the organization and chaos is bad for making games.
 
I don't hate BioWare and I sincerely hope that they get their act together, but so long as they dodge responsibility and blame the fans they are lost. At least Bethesda tries to give an enjoyable gaming experience to their customers and doesn't force feed them crap in the name of "art."

[Geneaux486]

WindfishDude wrote...

At no cost, not even adveticed as 'free DLC' but just released in a patch.

It's like 'Hey, we heard you guys wanted mounted combat in our games. Here's a patch that fixes that. Now you can fight on horseback.'

Does Bioware and EA look at this example, look at their piles of money and then just burst laughing?

How many times has Bethesda improved the ending to a game for free?  'Cause I remember paying for Broken Steel, don't know about you.

[Dragoonlordz]

Blind2Society wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

To Bioware's credit though, at least they can get their games working on PS3.

Yeah, I have Fallout 3 and New Vegas for the PS3. The framerate drops were infuriating.

Will probably have to get them for PC when I get the extra cash.

With latest news that PS3 owners might not ever get Dawnguard and any possible future DLC unknown if same problem. I feel bad for PS3 owners who bought it on that platform. I used to own a PS3 and 360 but I tend to buy only PC titles now. I wonder if people even remember Bethesda and horse armour is one thing anti-bioware members have used time and time again on here classing as nickle and diming. Bethesda charge for their DLC just like Bioware. Fallout 3 I chose to avoid the high cost of DLC via purchase of GOTY, Bioware's Dragon Age Origins the same with cost of DLC was alot so bought the Ultimate Edition.

Bethesda make great sandbox open world games, the primary focus is the world itself and the amount can do. They are seriously amazingly bad at stories though and impact of choices is really bad. Bioware produce better stories and characters but lack investment in the worlds they create or the amount of things possible in them. Ideally a blend of the level of world detail and living world elements from Bethesda along with vast amount of things could do if combined with Bioware level of character and story would make for great game. Add to that the level of quality plot branching from CDPR and the game would be epic.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[MerchantGOL]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

What do you expect Bethesda games are the Cod of RPGs?

Not sure how this is true when Bethesda makes some of the most immersive RPGs out there.

Lol! I like your sarcasm.

Skyrim seemed to be what DA2 should've strove for....just sayin-_-

Bioware cares about little thinks like Story, Characters Ect. So no its not

[EpicBoot2daFace]

WindfishDude wrote...

At no cost, not even adveticed as 'free DLC' but just released in a patch.

It's like 'Hey, we heard you guys wanted mounted combat in our games. Here's a patch that fixes that. Now you can fight on horseback.'

Does Bioware and EA look at this example, look at their piles of money and then just burst laughing?

Do you not remember horse armor?

[CitizenThom]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

What do you expect Bethesda games are the Cod of RPGs?

Not sure how this is true when Bethesda makes some of the most immersive RPGs out there.

Lol! I like your sarcasm.

Skyrim seemed to be what DA2 should've strove for....just sayin-_-

Hmmm... Is Skyrim that improved over Oblivion? My experience is that DA2 combat >>>> Oblivion combat.

[WindfishDude]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

At no cost, not even adveticed as 'free DLC' but just released in a patch.

It's like 'Hey, we heard you guys wanted mounted combat in our games. Here's a patch that fixes that. Now you can fight on horseback.'

Does Bioware and EA look at this example, look at their piles of money and then just burst laughing?

Do you not remember horse armor?

I do. I do not, however, really remember making this thread. I think I made it after a late night smoking session. A brain fart kind of thing.

15 pages... really? How is this still not locked? Granted, I'm new here and I'm the thread creator, but really... this thread sucks.
You should all be ashamed for posting in it.

[DashRunner92]

CitizenThom wrote...

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

What do you expect Bethesda games are the Cod of RPGs?

Not sure how this is true when Bethesda makes some of the most immersive RPGs out there.

Lol! I like your sarcasm.

Skyrim seemed to be what DA2 should've strove for....just sayin-_-

Hmmm... Is Skyrim that improved over Oblivion? My experience is that DA2 combat >>>> Oblivion combat.

You can't compare those two combats. They are completely different. Oblivion's combat style would of been terrible in DA2 and DA2's combat style would of been terrible in Oblivion.

[DashRunner92]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

At no cost, not even adveticed as 'free DLC' but just released in a patch.

It's like 'Hey, we heard you guys wanted mounted combat in our games. Here's a patch that fixes that. Now you can fight on horseback.'

Does Bioware and EA look at this example, look at their piles of money and then just burst laughing?

Do you not remember horse armor?

To be fair, horse armor was one of the original DLC's, it was more of an experiment than anything. They really didn't know how or what DLC's should be priced at, at that time.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 03 septembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Hydralysk wrote...

To Bioware's credit though, at least they can get their games working on PS3.

Do I need to point on still full of bugs MP?