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[Binary_Helix 1]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

CoD is still 60$
Madden is still 60$
The only reason Skyrim is near full price is because it hit the casual market like the other games I listed.

Those games are at full price because of suppy and demand. The "casual market" might be an evil thing to you but Bioware aimed for that demographic as well and failed utterly. They've been trying to win them over going back to DA2.

Funny because you stated that Skyrim must be better than every BioWare game since it sells more.

Never said that. What I did say was that Skyrim killed ME3 in sales so it couldn't be nearly as bad as it's detractors claim.

This is an important fact because supposedly RPGs and SP games are dying according to the chattering classes in gaming.

[heart again]

Yeah well guess what? Bethesda still hasn't fixed a glitch known since day one that rendered my 200+ hour save unplayable. Too busy tacking on random **** and charging 20$ for a dlc more equivalent to the FO3 dlcs (which were 10$) and making a mmo that will fail miserably like most of them do except WoW and GW.

[thesnake777]

Festae9 wrote...

Both types of games are nice. It's good that not every developer follows the same formula.

In Skyrim I can't rengade kick a Dragon in the junk but I can climb mountains, watch the sunset, hunt etc.

In more recent bioware games night doesn't turn to day and there isn't much in terms of exploration but I can live my heroic fantasies cinematically which is also very cool.

Yea the main thing here is that Bethesda and Bioware have two different takes on RPG's. Bethesda makes sandbox games, while Bioware has a more on rails Rpg.

Both have their own styles, and are both enjoyable.

[Meltemph]

Why don't you use your brain for a minute? The very first weapons humans encountered were probably rocks and teeth. Do we manufactor armor to protect against rocks and teeth? No. We manufactor armor to protect against bullets.

I love Skyrim and am not a fan of the plot in ME3, much at all, but what are you talking about? Who are these chattering classes? SP games are doing perfectly fine, I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. The only RPG I've read arguements of it dying was specifically tied to the JRPG market for the non Japanese market.

[corporal doody]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

so......we cant speak ill of Skyrim on the ME3 board because Skyrim outsold ME3?

Modifié par corporal doody, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[heart again]

corporal doody wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

so......we cant speak ill of Skyrim on the ME3 board because Skyrim outsold ME3?

Jeez I guess CoD must be more groundbreakingly amazing every year!

[MerchantGOL]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

CoD is still 60$
Madden is still 60$
The only reason Skyrim is near full price is because it hit the casual market like the other games I listed.

Those games are at full price because of suppy and demand. The "casual market" might be an evil thing to you but Bioware aimed for that demographic as well and failed utterly. They've been trying to win them over going back to DA2.

Funny because you stated that Skyrim must be better than every BioWare game since it sells more.

Never said that. What I did say was that Skyrim killed ME3 in sales so it couldn't be nearly as bad as it's detractors claim.

sales  do not change the fact that The game has bugs  that render the game unplayable. this isn't some thing subjective like the quality of the endings

these are bugs that have  affected many  diffrent people rendreing the game  unplayable, thats not goign into the finer details of how every ps3 player has been been bent over the table

[Kileyan]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

also this thread was made to imply betsada was some gods gift to gamers, and that is not true.

I regard Skyrim as a lot better than what Bioware has put out recently like DA2, ME3, TOR. The market agrees as well.

Skyrim is still at or near full price while DA2 was in the bargain bin fast, ME3 saw equally drastic price cuts, TOR is a flop.

you probly liek twighlt too then

Why don't you go back to playing Cod while your at it.

What a mature and intelligent response. You are no true scotsman.

when the argument Skyrim is  great cause it sold allot, thats the level of intelgence were dealing with. to use that to ignore all the games massive failings is ignorance.

 
Massive failings. Please, explain how it was a failiure from Oblivion? I'll admit I don't like it as much as Morrowind, but is 10x better than its predecessor. Sequel successful.

Go look back at the beigning  of the thread , it has bugs, not just inconviences but **** that makes it honest to god unplayable, that makes it  so tha thave quite literaly f-ed over an entire secton of the userbase.

The reason it hasn't suffred mroe is cause the casuals gobble it up cause of namebrand.

The Game dose have failings you cant just ignore them.

What does the word casual even mean in your posts?

SKyrim with its choices in talents, spells, weapons, armor and no hand holding in the story is so far from the casual console crowd game. It seems you just want to paint any popular game as casual, even though ME3 hold your hand from beginning to end with no divergent paths, casual as it can get.

Of course the game has failing, all games do, especially large open world games.

YOu can't really compare a simplistic tunnel game like CoD or ME3 bugs to an open world games bugs.

Open world games give you lots more options which lead to more bugs. I can live with that, over a games quality being decided on zero bugs, even if all you can do in the zero bug game is walk down a single path that the game allows you.

I happen to like open world games, I'd take STALKER and its zillion bugs over never having such a game exist.

Anyways, there is room for both types of games, I'm just rambling and don't think Skyrim was popular because it was "casual" friendly, it was just a fun enough game that people actually cared to learn how the game worked, rather than have it be so simple that it was all handed to them in between cinematics.

[Conniving_Eagle]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

also this thread was made to imply betsada was some gods gift to gamers, and that is not true.

I regard Skyrim as a lot better than what Bioware has put out recently like DA2, ME3, TOR. The market agrees as well.

Skyrim is still at or near full price while DA2 was in the bargain bin fast, ME3 saw equally drastic price cuts, TOR is a flop.

you probly liek twighlt too then

Why don't you go back to playing Cod while your at it.

What a mature and intelligent response. You are no true scotsman.

when the argument Skyrim is  great cause it sold allot, thats the level of intelgence were dealing with. to use that to ignore all the games massive failings is ignorance.

 
Massive failings. Please, explain how it was a failiure from Oblivion? I'll admit I don't like it as much as Morrowind, but is 10x better than its predecessor. Sequel successful.

Go look back at the beigning  of the thread , it has bugs, not just inconviences but **** that makes it honest to god unplayable, that makes it  so tha thave quite literaly f-ed over an entire secton of the userbase.

The reason it hasn't suffred mroe is cause the casuals gobble it up cause of namebrand.

The Game dose have failings you cant just ignore them.

On the first day it came out? Hell yes. I wouldn't know, because I was one of the few blessed with a daedric copy. Bugs are expected in an open-world game, and especially one as massive as Skyrim. What, are you upset because you had several PC crashes the first week it came out? Since then, there have been seven patches for the game that not only removed the majority of bugs, but added new content for free. And I do have gripes with Skyrim, you haven't found them yet, so keep looking

[Jadebaby]

maaaze wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

If i would care about Skyrim, I would be on a Skyrim board.

This^

The only reason I'm not is because Skyrim did most things right, I played 300+ hours, and straight out of the gate, no patches/updates.

Bugs are always to be expected in such a massively open game though.

Not like ME3's linearity.

Well they do pretty much the same game over and over again. Tweeking the Graphics to standart and building some new environments.
But it´s always the same mechanics & boring story + characters. All their games have the same flaws.
If you are done exploring, there is nothing interesting to do. Nothing to be attached to.
I never get attached to anything in their worlds.

other than Fallout 3...which at least tried new things.

FONV did it one step better, with hardcore mode it makes the game more realistic than ever.

It's funny though, you know. Pre ME3 I would sit here saying "well you have to be able to be immersed in a game, or what's the point in playing it?"

Now, after experiencing the ME3 ending. I actively fight against immersion in games because of what that crap did to me. Seriously, I got way to immersed in Mass Effect, like an unhealthy level. So when BioWare decided to crap on the galaxy, and more importantly, Shepard and crew. It destroyed me, and I still haven't recovered. The day I recover is the day I stop coming to BSN or am able to play the games again and enjoy it.

Skyrim I know I can pick up whenever I want, because it's not going to throw an 8 Ball at my head and say "shake it."

[Binary_Helix 1]

corporal doody wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

so......we cant speak ill of Skyrim on the ME3 board because Skyrim outsold ME3?

Why are you responding to the same post you already commented on earlier? That's bizarre.

Your strawman aside feel free to dislike whatever you want but don't complain when someone disagrees. .

[Conniving_Eagle]

If Bioware want to continue to pride themselves on gripping story-telling and great characters then don't ****ing throw them in the trash at the end of your trilogy.

[Menagra]

Bethseda still allows people to hack and moderate their games, and when a mod becomes popular they often take it upon themselves to include it in the next expansion. This has happened in their games for years now. Also Bethseda changed the ending to Fall out...which suggests a more positive relationship with fans....but...Bethseda's storytelling doesn't even come close to Bioware. As far as open world sandbox games they take the cake, but because they have no linear stories their games are more of a collection of short stories (including main campaign).

KOTOR still makes bioware stand out as great storytellers in my mind. Even if they hacked Mass Effect's story apart.

[MerchantGOL]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

also this thread was made to imply betsada was some gods gift to gamers, and that is not true.

I regard Skyrim as a lot better than what Bioware has put out recently like DA2, ME3, TOR. The market agrees as well.

Skyrim is still at or near full price while DA2 was in the bargain bin fast, ME3 saw equally drastic price cuts, TOR is a flop.

you probly liek twighlt too then

Why don't you go back to playing Cod while your at it.

What a mature and intelligent response. You are no true scotsman.

when the argument Skyrim is  great cause it sold allot, thats the level of intelgence were dealing with. to use that to ignore all the games massive failings is ignorance.

 
Massive failings. Please, explain how it was a failiure from Oblivion? I'll admit I don't like it as much as Morrowind, but is 10x better than its predecessor. Sequel successful.

Go look back at the beigning  of the thread , it has bugs, not just inconviences but **** that makes it honest to god unplayable, that makes it  so tha thave quite literaly f-ed over an entire secton of the userbase.

The reason it hasn't suffred mroe is cause the casuals gobble it up cause of namebrand.

The Game dose have failings you cant just ignore them.

On the first day it came out? Hell yes. I wouldn't know, because I was one of the few blessed with a daedric copy. Bugs are expected in an open-world game, and especially one as massive as Skyrim. What, are you upset because you had several PC crashes the first week it came out? Since then, there have been seven patches for the game that not only removed the majority of bugs, but added new content for free. And I do have gripes with Skyrim, you haven't found them yet, so keep looking

except tons of peopel are still unable to play their games and  have crashes this sint a problem that went away

[corporal doody]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

It's amusing when people disparage Skyrim. It blew ME3 away in sales while launching during the competitive holiday season.

so......we cant speak ill of Skyrim on the ME3 board because Skyrim outsold ME3?

Why are you responding to the same post you already commented on earlier? That's bizarre.

Your strawman aside feel free to dislike whatever you want but don't complain when someone disagrees. .

you are one of my favorite people on the bsn. i was responding to the following...but in stead of cut and pasting...i just requoted what got people in a fluster

Never said that. What I did say was that Skyrim killed ME3 in sales so it couldn't be nearly as bad as it's detractors claim.

what you meant to say is irrelevant. What we got out of your statement is "HOW are you gonna say Skyrim is a bad game when IT OUT SOLD ME3" which I for one took as "Skyrim is a better game cuz it outsold ME3"

Modifié par corporal doody, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[MerchantGOL]

Kileyan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

also this thread was made to imply betsada was some gods gift to gamers, and that is not true.

I regard Skyrim as a lot better than what Bioware has put out recently like DA2, ME3, TOR. The market agrees as well.

Skyrim is still at or near full price while DA2 was in the bargain bin fast, ME3 saw equally drastic price cuts, TOR is a flop.

you probly liek twighlt too then

Why don't you go back to playing Cod while your at it.

What a mature and intelligent response. You are no true scotsman.

when the argument Skyrim is  great cause it sold allot, thats the level of intelgence were dealing with. to use that to ignore all the games massive failings is ignorance.

 
Massive failings. Please, explain how it was a failiure from Oblivion? I'll admit I don't like it as much as Morrowind, but is 10x better than its predecessor. Sequel successful.

Go look back at the beigning  of the thread , it has bugs, not just inconviences but **** that makes it honest to god unplayable, that makes it  so tha thave quite literaly f-ed over an entire secton of the userbase.

The reason it hasn't suffred mroe is cause the casuals gobble it up cause of namebrand.

The Game dose have failings you cant just ignore them.

What does the word casual even mean in your posts?

SKyrim with its choices in talents, spells, weapons, armor and no hand holding in the story is so far from the casual console crowd game. 

um noo my 11 year old brother can play skyrrim , the game has been so stream liend compared to its predacessors [not a bad thing] it isthe definiton of casual freindly hell my mom was even intrested.


It seems you just want to paint any popular game as casual,
No i don't Deus ex isn't casual, hell street fighter isn't even casual.



Of course the game has failing, all games do, especially large open world games.

YOu can't really compare a simplistic tunnel game like CoD or ME3 bugs to an open world games bugs.

when they render me unable to play the game i can, when the game is so badly made an entire console isn't gonna get dlc i can.

[Conniving_Eagle]

The people I know have stopped complaining about crashes.

I will admit that PS3 got the short end of the stick, though.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Mass Effect has also been very streamlined.

[Binary_Helix 1]

corporal doody wrote...

what you meant to say is irrelevant. What we got out of your statement is "HOW are you gonna say Skyrim is a bad game when IT OUT SOLD ME3" which I for one took as "Skyrim is a better game cuz it outsold ME3"

I'm not responsible for anybody's lack of reading comprehension. Some of you just assume the worst because you want to.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[MerchantGOL]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The people I know have stopped complaining about crashes.

I will admit that PS3 got the short end of the stick, though.

they are lucky i had to star over twice cause the  Core game mechanice I.,e E summoning Dragons Learning thuums suddenly stoped working, and it happend to and still dose happen to lots of people.

its like the rrod if it didnt happen to you cool, but it happend to a llot of others do not dismis the problem

[MerchantGOL]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Mass Effect has also been very streamlined.

thats irelevant to the conversatiosn being had. no one said me3 wasn't stream lined [thogh its has hasd a ton more complexty put in compared to me2] or that it didn't try to lure in the casuals

[saracen16]

Never mind that we can fight in an Atlas and that we got the EC for free.

Whiners.

[corporal doody]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

what you meant to say is irrelevant. What we got out of your statement is "HOW are you gonna say Skyrim is a bad game when IT OUT SOLD ME3" which I for one took as "Skyrim is a better game cuz it outsold ME3"

I'm not responsible for anybody's lack of reading comprehension. Some of you just assume the worst because you want to.

HELLZ YEAH!!

or maybe you should say what you mean in the first place and not leave it up to us to assume?? sound familar???

[Meltemph]

they are lucky i had to star over twice cause the Core game mechanice I.,e E summoning Dragons Learning thuums suddenly stoped working, and it happend to and still dose happen to lots of people.

its like the rrod if it didnt happen to you cool, but it happend to a llot of others do not dismis the problem

It is really hard to read this post and get an full idea of what you are talking about, but I am going to guess you are talking about where the Dragon Walls stop giving you the ability to learn shouts? Beacuse if that is the case that is a pretty rare bug.

It has been in since launch though.

[Conniving_Eagle]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Mass Effect has also been very streamlined.

thats irelevant to the conversatiosn being had. no one said me3 wasn't stream lined [thogh its has hasd a ton more complexty put in compared to me2] or that it didn't try to lure in the casuals

So what is relevant? They both tried to expand their audiences and one had more success.