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[GottvonHoff]

I mean, even at the slightest?

It's like having your boyfriend/girlfriend still call you by your family name, despite all you've been through together. Or having known you for years.

It's a limitation of the game's design or script, I know. But at least James frequently calls you Loco/Lola.

[Ghost]

Well I don't need to be called Sheppy.

[Babi_Siha]

Yes, BioWare will just record lines with every name available in the world so that we don't call our boyfriend/girlfriend Shepard.

[Babi_Siha]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yes, BioWare will just record lines with every name available in the world so that we don't call our boyfriend/girlfriend Shepard.

That would be pretty hard to do.

I would have liked some more common names to have been in the game, but then people would **** about their name not being in the game. It was just better to leave it at Shepard.

Exactly, that's why I was being sarcastic.

[Emeraldfern]

Well, Thane's an exception with his use of "Siha".

+ There's Ashley's "Skipper", not used constantly, but still.

Having variation in the dialogue like "Shep", "Cmdr", etc. isn't bad, it just "spices" up the dialogue.
So long as the "nickname" fits the narrative obviously.

That said, it never really bothered me in my playthroughs with the different LI's.

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

Well considering that I only talked to jack for a collective 9 minutes thoughout this entire game, I kinda appreciated the moments I got.

Modifié par sUiCiDeKiNgS13, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:43 .

[LanceSolous13]

Jack never calls Shepard 'Shepard' until the Suicide Misison. There, its a form of her Character Development.

Thane calls Shepard 'Siha'.

Tali calls him Shepard in more of a 'Fangirl' Manner.

Miranda uses it almost like a pet name similar to many Mirimances using "Miss Lawson" as Shepard's to her.

And, honestly, It would be impossible to do otherwise. First names are a variable. It could be a simple "Jack Shepard" or "Xhmtl6389 Shepard". Now, for the Memorial Scene, it would have been touching to see the first name considering its never actually used in the series up til that point.

[David7204]

Jack calls Shepard "Shepard" plenty of times before the suicide mission...in fact, right after you recruit her, I think her very first line on the Normandy is "Shepard, get the cheerleader to back off" or something of the sort after Miranda scolds her.

[LanceSolous13]

Yes, but then its in a condecending and lack of respect kind of way; very hollow. In the Suicide Mission, she's legitimatly calling Shepard 'Shepard'. With respect and all that.

[lillitheris]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Yes, but then its in a condecending and lack of respect kind of way; very hollow. In the Suicide Mission, she's legitimatly calling Shepard 'Shepard'. With respect and all that.

…Yeah, that’s not what you said

…

The problem with the memorial wall is that the text isn’t rendered on the fly. It would have been a really nice touch, but the plaque object is static. I’m sure it actually could be coded to be generated customized, somehow, but they didn’t have the time to do so.

…

Oh, and the original topic: it’s a little awkward but there’s a technical reason for it. There are many people who do go by their last name, or nickname, and Shepard could be one of them. It’s not a particularly hard name to say, which is a bonus. It might have been nice to give each LI a pet name they could (sparingly) use of Shepard, but…

In my fic (and headcanon), Liara only uses Shepard’s first name in very specific contexts and rarely. Even Shepard’s POVs are written as Shepard—except when she’s dreaming and such, in which case she ‘regresses’ to her given name. The only person who does not call Shepard by her last name is her mother.

Modifié par lillitheris, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[BP93]

My LI calling me an Ass hole would be pretty insulting so no.

In seriousness, my Shep's first name is Smith. He has a twin brother thats a news anchor on FOX News. Explains his sharp disdain for reporters.

[Mimitochan]

Not at all.
They met as Alliance soldiers, it's part of their relationship.
Which doesn't mean they can't have other names for each other off-screen.
Shepard calling him "Major" always makes me chuckle.

[Rudy Lis]

Not sure whether it part of western culture or not, but it's a little (to put it mildly) odd here, among those I've grown and live with.

Surname (or last name) is usually reserved for more or less official "call" from superior to subordinate. Rank+surname referal - that's purely official and, if given in non-official environment, usually doesn't mean any good (if not used for joke purpose, of course).

Among equals there is general name (or first name) address basis. If several persons with same name present, name modified (our language allow that), or patronym used instead. Also, name could be modified to sound like patronym, if for some reason actual patronym is not available (taken by someone else) or not desired by bearer. And of course there are nicknames.

When subordinate addresses his superior, generally there is only rank involved. Surname not used in one on one converstations - what for, you both know his surname.

As sign of respect, if allowed, subordinates may refer to their commander via name+patronym form, that usually reserved for private conversation or, at least, not for official use. In well knit groups, respected commander generally could be refferred via his patronym, as sign of respect from his subordinates. For same purpose pure "commander" (we don't have such rank) could be used. Of course that's purely informal - we all know how not to frame our commander and how to address him properly in official ways in any form of situation.

Similar approach generally exist for non-military relations.

So yes, surname based referals are odd for me. Especially in "family-alike" relations.

I don't see problem to solve this in game, because it is already solved. Dirt2, for example. There are two lists - of names and nicknames. So you can choose one suits you. Of course it will be hard to create all possible variants, but generally you can find close one, so I guess that will be better than "Shepard" (unless you name your Shepard as "Shepard "Shepard" Shepard").

Not sure how some "put_your_name_here "Big bad muthuh" Shepard" would feel, but hey, why not? classic need some homage.

Of course, that would require some additional work in voice-over department, to create several intonations for different situations. And seeing how cheapskate one particular canadian game developer became, I doubt we'll ever see (well, "hear" actually) this.

[Karrie788]

Not really, my Shep's first name is not exactly common and I get that they couldn't make recordings of all possible names in the world to all LIs.

It does bother me a little, though, when they get back to "Commander". But overall I really don't mind it. Pet names would have been nice, it's especially nice with Thane and Ashley, but that's not a big issue for me.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Well...they could use Microsoft Sam! Or they can produce a TTS (Text-To-Speech) software module for all the LIs (Although, that would be a massive waste of resources.)

[CptData]

GottvonHoff wrote...

I mean, even at the slightest?

It's like having your boyfriend/girlfriend still call you by your family name, despite all you've been through together. Or having known you for years.

It's a limitation of the game's design or script, I know. But at least James frequently calls you Loco/Lola.

My LI called Shepard "Skipper" in ME1.
That got dropped in ME3, which is really sad. I mean ... it was her nick for Shepard.

Simply guess it has to do with the fact Chris L'Etoile wasn't writing Ashley's character anymore and the one who took over never got the full essence of her. The cuts of her lines did the rest.

[CroGamer002]

Well, they don't call him/her Commander.

Modifié par Mesina2, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Mimitochan]

CptData wrote...
My LI called Shepard "Skipper" in ME1.
That got dropped in ME3, which is really sad. I mean ... it was her nick for Shepard.

Simply guess it has to do with the fact Chris L'Etoile wasn't writing Ashley's character anymore and the one who took over never got the full essence of her. The cuts of her lines did the rest.

Really??? How odd... and sad too!
I felt "Skipper" was really part of their relationship.
EDIT> but doesn't that happen somewhere in ME3? I thought i heard her say that on YT...

Modifié par Mimitochan, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Hrothdane]

I just say that my Shepard doesn't like her first name and prefers to go by her last name.

Problem solved.

[lillitheris]

Rudy Lis wrote...

I don't see problem to solve this in game, because it is already solved. Dirt2, for example. There are two lists - of names and nicknames. So you can choose one suits you. Of course it will be hard to create all possible variants, but generally you can find close one, so I guess that will be better than "Shepard" (unless you name your Shepard as "Shepard "Shepard" Shepard").

That’s not a solution, that’s a restriction. My Shepards are named Eevy and Auska, not Eve and Alice.

I think you’re looking at it wrong; I’m sure that even in your culture, there are nicknames, no? Shepard is a nickname. I personally know at least 5 people—from 3 separate national origins—who generally go by their last names (or shortened versions thereof). One’s wife even calls him that.

It’s like a little inside joke between Shepard and the LI. Plus you have those offscreen moments…

[CroGamer002]

Mimitochan wrote...

CptData wrote...
My LI called Shepard "Skipper" in ME1.
That got dropped in ME3, which is really sad. I mean ... it was her nick for Shepard.

Simply guess it has to do with the fact Chris L'Etoile wasn't writing Ashley's character anymore and the one who took over never got the full essence of her. The cuts of her lines did the rest.

Really??? How odd... and sad too!
I felt "Skipper" was really part of their relationship.
EDIT> but doesn't that happen somewhere in ME3? I thought i heard her say that on YT...

I think she does say skipper once or twice.

[Mimitochan]

lillitheris wrote...
It’s like a little inside joke between Shepard and the LI. Plus you have those offscreen moments…

Absolutely
You can see it as something playful or not, depending on the context.

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

CptData wrote...
My LI called Shepard "Skipper" in ME1.
That got dropped in ME3, which is really sad. I mean ... it was her nick for Shepard.

Simply guess it has to do with the fact Chris L'Etoile wasn't writing Ashley's character anymore and the one who took over never got the full essence of her. The cuts of her lines did the rest.

Really??? How odd... and sad too!
I felt "Skipper" was really part of their relationship.
EDIT> but doesn't that happen somewhere in ME3? I thought i heard her say that on YT...

I think she does say skipper once or twice.

I know there are situations where "Skipper" was appropriate but it didn't appear then.

The first farewell scene is such moment.

"You'll be my Skipper, always ..." I missed that line

[Jeffonl1]

LanceSolous13 wrote...


And, honestly, It would be impossible to do otherwise. First names are a variable. It could be a simple "Jack Shepard" or "Xhmtl6389 Shepard". Now, for the Memorial Scene, it would have been touching to see the first name considering its never actually used in the series up til that point.

I like this!  The memorial plaque sgould have had his (variable) first name