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[daecath]

It's not going to happen. The game is what it is. They aren't going to change it. They've already wasted time and money bringing us the EC for free, there's no way they'll sink even more time and money into another ending DLC. And I'm not going to buy something that I know won't satisfy me. If by some miracle they do decide to come out with an ending fix (not jest "Extended Condescension", but a real fix that addresses all the problems with the ending), then I'll buy it, and probably buy the other DLC's too. Unless that happens, ME3 is done. It will remain gathering dust, with my last save game right before the crucible, because that's as far as I could stand to go. And I'm certainly not going to buy something that prolongs the agony just to send a message that I don't support. You don't reward people for screwing up, you don't reward people for blaming you for their screw up, you don't reward people for hiding their head in the sand rather than admitting they screwed up.

[TonyIommi]

KENNY4753 wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...
I'm not telling you to boycott DLC or start being a pessimist or anything. If you think a DLC is interesting and looks fun, by all means buy it! Its your opinion that matters, I'm just telling you the way I look at it.

I don't want to arguing with you. That's what I have always done. If it looks good I will get it if not I won't. I'm just saying that it would be nice if they would see dlc sales as support and give us what we want.

Like I said I wouldn't worry about it to much. Regardless of what the forum paladins and 4chan kids say Me3 sold extremely well and the dlc up to this point has been fairly well received. You can pay the forum paladins no mind. 

[TonyIommi]

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Rogue Unit]

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

i never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

nice try though.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:59 .

[TJBartlemus]

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Did they really?  I don't think so. I think the EC was planned and was in production before the game was released. Why I think that is cause in the original we only got the low EMS of all the choices and when the EC came out the mid and High EMS ones were available. Pre EC we also only had the paragon dialogue and now we have renegade as well. 

Just my opinion. 

[S0DAP0P]

I'm expecting a lot more to come from Bioware. Leviathan was a start and I think that after Omega things are going to start getting interesting.

One opinion among many. For we are legion.

[ShepComing4U]

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Frankly if most of them stop playing I would see very little loss. BW isn't gonna stop making games or DLC, theirs enough people to support them in that. Now they can be free of the constant worry of forum paladins getting uppity over whatever design decision they chose. d

Doubtful. I think a good portion, like me, bought the DLC to see if Bioware was actually going to do something with it. Not even a cutscene in the ending, simply 400 more EMS. I wont be buying more. 

In addition, you'd see more than a little loss. Just saying.

According to Weekes latest tweet we will be seeing more dlc. So it's definetly not "doubtful" and the dlc has been extremely well received regardless of what the handful of forums paladins argue. 

Doubtful as in Leviathan guaranteeing more sales for future DLC and seeing "little loss" The fact that you refer to anti-enders as a "handful of forum paladins" explains your assumption. Which is wrong, my good man.

Oh you have some measure of objective proof that says otherwise? I'll wait right here....

As for Leviathan, if you read Patrick Weekes latest tweet he more or less confirms more dlc is on the way and given his previous statement that if the SP DLC did well they would keep making it I think it's safe to say Leviathan has done exactly that. 

You have some measure of objective proof that says anti-enders not buying DLC with only be a small loss? I'll wait right here.....

Getting to the point, Weekes tweet simply confirmed their would be another DLC. Given the fact that Leviathan was completed well before the release date, they would have had time to lay the groundwork for another DLC regardless, if not before. I'm simply saying you shouldn't assume somethign sold well and means future DLC will always sell well because of a tweet. I'm sure a good chunk of anti-enders, like me, bought Leviathan to see how Bioware was going to handle future DLC. A test run if you will. This is evidenced by the multiple threads posted throughout this forum, expressing disappointment. I have no idea why you're getting so worked up about it.

Theirs also multiple threads across this forum and other forums expression how good the dlc was. I get worked up about it because you make cases for things that have no evidence and then just assume their gospel truth. The fact is that generally forum voices and negative voices are always the most vocal and are in no way evidence of anything.  This has been studied by marketing firms the world over. Your arguments are all based on assumptions that "your sure" about. 

I'm not the one making assumptions here. I'm going by what the developers say, You've made all sorts of assumptions and frankly it's ironic that you would call me out on that note. 

I never said their was only threads expressing disappointment, I said their was some. You *assumed* I meant all. I'm not assuming "gospel truth" of anything, I'm assuming that a good chunk of the fanbase acted as I did. Doesnt mean I'm right, doesnt mean I'm wrong. However, I'm perplexed that you think Leviathan sold well because a dev tweeted more DLC is on its way, for reasons listed above.

[TonyIommi]

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

[garrusfan1]

S0DAP0P wrote...

I'm expecting a lot more to come from Bioware. Leviathan was a start and I think that after Omega things are going to start getting interesting.

One opinion among many. For we are legion.

I agree and also I have a feeling that in every dlc that is a story dlc (like omega or LOTSB) or anything besides stuff like weapons packs and stuff like that will add to the ending.

[TonyIommi]

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Frankly if most of them stop playing I would see very little loss. BW isn't gonna stop making games or DLC, theirs enough people to support them in that. Now they can be free of the constant worry of forum paladins getting uppity over whatever design decision they chose. d

Doubtful. I think a good portion, like me, bought the DLC to see if Bioware was actually going to do something with it. Not even a cutscene in the ending, simply 400 more EMS. I wont be buying more. 

In addition, you'd see more than a little loss. Just saying.

According to Weekes latest tweet we will be seeing more dlc. So it's definetly not "doubtful" and the dlc has been extremely well received regardless of what the handful of forums paladins argue. 

Doubtful as in Leviathan guaranteeing more sales for future DLC and seeing "little loss" The fact that you refer to anti-enders as a "handful of forum paladins" explains your assumption. Which is wrong, my good man.

Oh you have some measure of objective proof that says otherwise? I'll wait right here....

As for Leviathan, if you read Patrick Weekes latest tweet he more or less confirms more dlc is on the way and given his previous statement that if the SP DLC did well they would keep making it I think it's safe to say Leviathan has done exactly that. 

You have some measure of objective proof that says anti-enders not buying DLC with only be a small loss? I'll wait right here.....

Getting to the point, Weekes tweet simply confirmed their would be another DLC. Given the fact that Leviathan was completed well before the release date, they would have had time to lay the groundwork for another DLC regardless, if not before. I'm simply saying you shouldn't assume somethign sold well and means future DLC will always sell well because of a tweet. I'm sure a good chunk of anti-enders, like me, bought Leviathan to see how Bioware was going to handle future DLC. A test run if you will. This is evidenced by the multiple threads posted throughout this forum, expressing disappointment. I have no idea why you're getting so worked up about it.

Theirs also multiple threads across this forum and other forums expression how good the dlc was. I get worked up about it because you make cases for things that have no evidence and then just assume their gospel truth. The fact is that generally forum voices and negative voices are always the most vocal and are in no way evidence of anything.  This has been studied by marketing firms the world over. Your arguments are all based on assumptions that "your sure" about. 

I'm not the one making assumptions here. I'm going by what the developers say, You've made all sorts of assumptions and frankly it's ironic that you would call me out on that note. 

I never said their was only threads expressing disappointment, I said their was some. You *assumed* I meant all. I'm not assuming "gospel truth" of anything, I'm assuming that a good chunk of the fanbase acted as I did. Doesnt mean I'm right, doesnt mean I'm wrong. However, I'm perplexed that you think Leviathan sold well because a dev tweeted more DLC is on its way, for reasons listed above.

Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for  it. Not a difficulty concept.  I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words. 

Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:05 .

[ShepComing4U]

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

This insulting is coming off bad on your end, and the fact your using the term "forum paladin" (Which I'll admit, is pretty comical)  in such a loose way....... well. I'll just say its ironic.

[skate4tacos96]

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

I don't think so. Nobody but BioWare got us that DLC. It's not like they had to. They were clearly trying to fix a mistake they had made, so the "fix" was free. Complaining is nothing but a bunch of people b****ing about their problems. It doesn't get you anything.

[TonyIommi]

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

This insulting is coming off bad on your end, and the fact your using the term "forum paladin" (Which I'll admit, is pretty comical)  in such a loose way....... well. I'll just say its ironic.

They're everywhere. If you think the bsn is bad head to the diablo 3 forums.  I don't view it as an insult because frankly it;s like calling a fat kid fat.  It's no insult to call people what they are. 

[Rogue Unit]

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

i'm aware i have no sway or say in what bioware does, but for you to claim the people that did take part in retake had no influence on the EC DLC being made is just idiotic - which was my original point. the got us free dlc for their effort so taking shots at them now seem a tad low.

btw, "forum padalin" is an incredibly lame insult. you're gonna have to do better than that

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[skate4tacos96]

@ShepComing4U How am I insulting anyone? I'm simply expressing my opinions, which is what you're supposed to do on the forums. The only thing I'm trying to say is that all the complaining some people do, only causes more problems instead of solutions.

[TonyIommi]

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

i'm aware i have no sway or say in what bioware does, but for you to claim the people that did take part in retake had no influence on the EC DLC being made is just idiotic - which was my original point. the got us free dlc for their effort so taking shots at them now seem a tad low.

btw, "forum padalin" is an incredibly lame insult. you're gonna have to do better than that

Do you prefer bsn "badass"? or Mass Effect Martyr? Thread tough guy? E Thug? Take your pick. You act the same regardless of the label. They released the EC DLC in any event regardless of what you or the your pathetic movement did. Hell retake didn't even get it's desired goals. The ending didn't change. I'm not sure how you can claim victory for achieving something it didn't.

[Rogue Unit]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

I don't think so. Nobody but BioWare got us that DLC. It's not like they had to. They were clearly trying to fix a mistake they had made, so the "fix" was free. Complaining is nothing but a bunch of people b****ing about their problems. It doesn't get you anything.

You seriously think Bioware(EA) would have pushed back their DLC plans, and release free content if everyone had be completely fine with the ending and no one had complained? Please. Dont be so naive.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[ShepComing4U]

TonyIommi wrote...


Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for  it. Not a difficulty concept.  I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words. 

They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.

As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.

[C9316]

More dlc? Lovely, when will they get to fixing things like the journal system in this game? Oh wait! The base game is perfect as it is! Bring on the war assets!!!!

[skate4tacos96]

And the only reason I'm using the term "forum paladin" is because I find the term itself amusing. I had no intentions of insulting anyone if I did.

[ShepComing4U]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U How am I insulting anyone? I'm simply expressing my opinions, which is what you're supposed to do on the forums. The only thing I'm trying to say is that all the complaining some people do, only causes more problems instead of solutions.

It was directed at Tonyiommi, not you. Sorry if it came off that way.

[TonyIommi]

ShepComing4U wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...


Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for  it. Not a difficulty concept.  I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words. 

They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.

As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.

You "believing" things doesn't make them true. We have Patrick Weekes statement on the record more or less and it's held up. They made dlc because demand was there for it.

Heres a fresh tip for someone new to gaming (apparently). All dlc is planned out before release, it is only carried forward if demand is met. This is true for virtually all AAA titles released on consoles as these developers don't just fly by the seat of their pants, they're proffessionals and make plans.  Ergo Leviathan was released because their was demand for it. That's why I wouldn't worry about retake or any of this silly bs. 

Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[Rogue Unit]

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TonyIommi wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.

and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"

Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire?  Maybe settle down on the english coast? 

I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.

I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm. 

i'm aware i have no sway or say in what bioware does, but for you to claim the people that did take part in retake had no influence on the EC DLC being made is just idiotic - which was my original point. the got us free dlc for their effort so taking shots at them now seem a tad low.

btw, "forum padalin" is an incredibly lame insult. you're gonna have to do better than that

Do you prefer bsn "badass"? or Mass Effect Martyr? Thread tough guy? E Thug? Take your pick. You act the same regardless of the label. They released the EC DLC in any event regardless of what you or the your pathetic movement did. Hell retake didn't even get it's desired goals. The ending didn't change. I'm not sure how you can claim victory for achieving something it didn't.

again, your reading comprehension fails you, young one. i already stated in didn't take part in retake, and even used pronouns such as "they" to drive this point home.

i'm done with you. come back when you learn to read. or at least take your fingers out of your ears.

oh, and "thread tough guy" and "e-thug"? really? says the guy going around insulting people. the irony.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[ifyoudoichokeyouLOL]

tomcplotts wrote...

sorry, disagree. best thing for everyone for them is to cut their losses and this franchise and start over somewhere else. the reality is that if you continue to personalize what is otherwise a cold, economic transaction, you'll continue to get exploited. this is a position of weakness.

this whole drama is a very rare opportunity to actually discipline and train a corporation, instead of the other way around which is the norm these days. you should think bigger and use it to your advantage.

if you want better games, more service, respect and support, than you need to let these firms know that you have limits on how much abuse you will take and be able to stick to it. otherwise they have no financial incentive to stop behaving badly.

Just my two cents.

I have to agree, they made three dissapointing games and seems like they have not learned from their mistakes and sometimes companies have to learn the hard way by losing customers.

[skate4tacos96]

@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.