skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@ShepComing4U You actually are handling this very maturely, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about all the "forum paladins" (I freakin' love that term lol) that want so much change, but all they do is complain about it. It's so annoying.
and those same "forum paladins" got you free DLC with all their "complaining"
Yea that's what you did. Good work Richard the Lionheart. You think it's time to retire? Maybe settle down on the english coast?
I never said I got anybody anything. Learn to read.
I read it. I think you forum paladins over estimate your influence a tad bit to much. If that didn't come across in my meaning then you oughto to learn how to understand subtext and sarcasm.
i'm aware i have no sway or say in what bioware does, but for you to claim the people that did take part in retake had no influence on the EC DLC being made is just idiotic - which was my original point. the got us free dlc for their effort so taking shots at them now seem a tad low.
btw, "forum padalin" is an incredibly lame insult. you're gonna have to do better than that
Do you prefer bsn "badass"? or Mass Effect Martyr? Thread tough guy? E Thug? Take your pick. You act the same regardless of the label. They released the EC DLC in any event regardless of what you or the your pathetic movement did. Hell retake didn't even get it's desired goals. The ending didn't change. I'm not sure how you can claim victory for achieving something it didn't.
again, your reading comprehension fail you, young one. i already stated in didn't take part in retake, and even used pronouns such as "they" to drive this point home.
i'm done with you. come back when you learn to read. or at least take your fingers out of your ears.
oh, and "thread tough guy" and "e-thug"? really? says the guy going around insulting people. the irony.
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
Jade8aby88 wrote...
People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.
There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.
I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!
In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.
Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.
In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.
Modifié par billy the squid, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .
That's ok. It was just a misunderstanding. But once again, thank you for being mature about the whole matter. I think you're the only one that disagrees with that is not out insulting people like an idiot. So thanks againShepComing4U wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@ShepComing4U How am I insulting anyone? I'm simply expressing my opinions, which is what you're supposed to do on the forums. The only thing I'm trying to say is that all the complaining some people do, only causes more problems instead of solutions.
It was directed at Tonyiommi, not you. Sorry if it came off that way.
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for it. Not a difficulty concept. I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words.
They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.
As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.
You "believing" things doesn't make them true. We have Patrick Weekes statement on the record more or less and it's held up. They made dlc because demand was there for it.
Heres a fresh tip for someone new to gaming (apparently). All dlc is planned out before release, it is only carried forward if demand is met. This is true for virtually all AAA titles released on consoles as these developers don't just fly by the seat of their pants, they're proffessionals and make plans. Ergo Leviathan was released because their was demand for it. That's why I wouldn't worry about retake or any of this silly bs.
Why do you have to envy anything at all? It's a well understood fact that complaining causes people to make rash, hurried decisions in attempt to stop the displeased. Which then greatly increases the chances in oversights and flaws. Complaining only adds more problems.Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for it. Not a difficulty concept. I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words.
They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.
As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.
You "believing" things doesn't make them true. We have Patrick Weekes statement on the record more or less and it's held up. They made dlc because demand was there for it.
Heres a fresh tip for someone new to gaming (apparently). All dlc is planned out before release, it is only carried forward if demand is met. This is true for virtually all AAA titles released on consoles as these developers don't just fly by the seat of their pants, they're proffessionals and make plans. Ergo Leviathan was released because their was demand for it. That's why I wouldn't worry about retake or any of this silly bs.
I've been following Bioware since Knights of the Old republic, which you'd know if you had bothered to read through this thread. All DLC is laid in groundwork and started on after another is finished, which is apparently what you do not get. Whether Leviathan has met demand or not, Bioware was going to release a second DLC. The sales of Leviathan would just affect how they use fan feedback. and if another follows.
Frankly, if all you're going to do is twist words around and throw out insults (thinly vieled and likewise), then it just proves this cannot become a contructive discussion. Continue to believe in what you want, I'll continue to believe in what I want (BELIEVE, NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRUE, just to further clarify) and we'll end this discussion on good terms.
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
No, that is a false and ignorant assumption on your part. Just wanted to throw that in there.
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
Modifié par Rogue Unit, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
ha! says the person who thinks EA released a major DLC for free to fix something that they claimed wasn't broken in the first place out of the kindness of their heart and not because of the fan backlash regarding the issue.
Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for it. Not a difficulty concept. I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words.
They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.
As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.
You "believing" things doesn't make them true. We have Patrick Weekes statement on the record more or less and it's held up. They made dlc because demand was there for it.
Heres a fresh tip for someone new to gaming (apparently). All dlc is planned out before release, it is only carried forward if demand is met. This is true for virtually all AAA titles released on consoles as these developers don't just fly by the seat of their pants, they're proffessionals and make plans. Ergo Leviathan was released because their was demand for it. That's why I wouldn't worry about retake or any of this silly bs.
I've been following Bioware since Knights of the Old republic, which you'd know if you had bothered to read through this thread. All DLC is laid in groundwork and started on after another is finished, which is apparently what you do not get. Whether Leviathan has met demand or not, Bioware was going to release a second DLC. The sales of Leviathan would just affect how they use fan feedback. and if another follows.
Frankly, if all you're going to do is twist words around and throw out insults (thinly vieled and likewise), then it just proves this cannot become a contructive discussion. Continue to believe in what you want, I'll continue to believe in what I want (BELIEVE, NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRUE, just to further clarify) and we'll end this discussion on good terms.
that is contradictory to their statements and established development practices. DLC is planned right from the beginning. These games are mapped out in life cycle right from the initial devlopment stages. They don't do things one after the other. It is fully flushed out depending on demand but the plans and development are almost always done ahead of time. Thats why they can be flexible enough to release it if theirs demand and not be caught on their ass if it isn't. Weekes statement pretty much reinforce this and the release of leviathan also confirms this. Obviously no one would make DLC if their wasnt money to be made but at the same time developers rightly assume dlc will sell so they begin to plan for it early in the games development.
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Because he literally said if their was demand for it, they'd make sp dlc. They made Leviathan so their must be demand for it. Not a difficulty concept. I also never said you thought their were only threads expressing disapointment, I only mentioned that their were threads expressing the opposite to give some counter balance as a measure of how many people were happy about it after purchasing. Many people could have "test runned it" and found it was good to. You could very well be a minority in other words.
They made Leviathan so there must be demand for it? I believe they made Leviathan to test the demand for it. If its sold well like you're assuming, then I guess you have nothing to worry about. I wasnt referring to minority as in who enjoyed the DLC, I was referring to it in the means of anti-enders overall. Sure some anti-enders enjoyed it. I've seen multiple posts who said they hated the ending, but enjoyed the DLC regardless.
As I said, they would have already laid the groundwork for the next DLC before the release of Leviathan. I believe the next DLC will be the true test. We shall see what happens.
You "believing" things doesn't make them true. We have Patrick Weekes statement on the record more or less and it's held up. They made dlc because demand was there for it.
Heres a fresh tip for someone new to gaming (apparently). All dlc is planned out before release, it is only carried forward if demand is met. This is true for virtually all AAA titles released on consoles as these developers don't just fly by the seat of their pants, they're proffessionals and make plans. Ergo Leviathan was released because their was demand for it. That's why I wouldn't worry about retake or any of this silly bs.
I've been following Bioware since Knights of the Old republic, which you'd know if you had bothered to read through this thread. All DLC is laid in groundwork and started on after another is finished, which is apparently what you do not get. Whether Leviathan has met demand or not, Bioware was going to release a second DLC. The sales of Leviathan would just affect how they use fan feedback. and if another follows.
Frankly, if all you're going to do is twist words around and throw out insults (thinly vieled and likewise), then it just proves this cannot become a contructive discussion. Continue to believe in what you want, I'll continue to believe in what I want (BELIEVE, NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRUE, just to further clarify) and we'll end this discussion on good terms.
that is contradictory to their statements and established development practices. DLC is planned right from the beginning. These games are mapped out in life cycle right from the initial devlopment stages. They don't do things one after the other. It is fully flushed out depending on demand but the plans and development are almost always done ahead of time. Thats why they can be flexible enough to release it if theirs demand and not be caught on their ass if it isn't. Weekes statement pretty much reinforce this and the release of leviathan also confirms this. Obviously no one would make DLC if their wasnt money to be made but at the same time developers rightly assume dlc will sell so they begin to plan for it early in the games development.
It is the end of a trilogy, which they also want to see go out with a blaze of glory, not a whimper. They do not want Mass Effect 3 to be remembered as the final game of an emotional and thrilling trilogy that failed. And neither do I. Anyway, this is all irrelevant. We're all going to die in a few months regardless.
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
No, that is a false and ignorant assumption on your part. Just wanted to throw that in there.
No, it is an opinion and a very correct one I feel. Just as you think it's false is also an opinion and a rather Ignorant one as well. That is also an opinion.
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
ShepComing4U wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
No, that is a false and ignorant assumption on your part. Just wanted to throw that in there.
No, it is an opinion and a very correct one I feel. Just as you think it's false is also an opinion and a rather Ignorant one as well. That is also an opinion.
So, its an opinion within an opinion within an opinion?
Modifié par TonyIommi, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .
Jade8aby88 wrote...
People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.
There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.
I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!
In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.
Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.
In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.
corkey sweet wrote...
Fan Backlash is the only reason Bioware released the Extended Cut. obviously Bioware and EA are afraid of their own fanbase. They have discovered the Wrath of the fanboys is something to fear.
AresKeith wrote...
we all know it want Synthesis, but the Starbrat calls each ending a Solution, whether its likes Destroy or not, it considers Destroy a temporary solution because "the peace will not last" the same with Control
The Twilight God wrote...
1. The Crucible docks, but is not doing anything.
2. The power junction is eliminated violently.
3. The Crucible arms itself and fires.
4. It is thus inferred that something was preventing the Crucible from firing while the power junction remained active.
5. The destruction of the power junction terminated whatever condition existed that prevented the Crucible from arming.
6. The power junction was either itself, or was powering, something that prevented the Crucible from firing.
7. In the absence of this suppressing condition the Crucible initiates the destruction of the Reapers without any direct interaction with the Crucible itself.
8. Conclusion #1: The Crucible's default function is to destroy synthetic life.
9. It has been confirmed in the very opening of this segment that the contraptions at eye level are NOT a part of the Crucible.
10. Upon the destruction of the power junction the beam running down the center of the chasm deactivates.
11. It can therefore be inferred that the power junction was either itself, or was powering, whatever it is that was generating the beam running down into the chasm.
12. The Crucible arms, sends a pulse into the Citadel and fires despite the absence of this beam.
13. In both Control and Synthesis the beam remains active as the Crucible's tip ignites.
14. Conclusion #2: The beam is not a function of the Crucible itself.
Given the above facts, the Crucible can in no way be dependent upon the contraption at eye level to function as it is designed to arm automatically and operates independently of the beam. Furthermore, throughout all this we have to remember that Shepard does not flip a switch or push a button. He destroys a component of a contraption that is NOT part of the Crucible.
The Twilight God wrote...
1. The Crucible docks, but is not arming.
2. Shepard leaps into the beam and an energetic aura engulfs his surroundings.
3. The Crucible arms itself and fires.
4. It is thus inferred that Shepard's presence within the contraption's energy cocktail was in accordance with the overall contraption's intended purpose.
5. It can thus be further inferred that the beveled synthesis array, and by association the entire contraption, were constructed with the intent of interacting with the Crucible.
6. It has been confirmed in the very opener of the segment that the contraptions at eye level are NOT a part of the Crucible.
7. The contraptions are built into and plugged into the Citadel.
8. If the contraptions were built by the Citadel's organic inhabitants, per the Crucible's schematics, it would be known that the Citadel was a component beforehand. That is not the case.
9. The Citadel is of Reaper construction.
10. Conclusion: the Reapers built the Contraption.
11. If the Reapers built a contraption that interfaces with the Crucible, the Reaper must have some technical details on the Crucible in order to have the understanding of how it works in order to build a device tailored to interfacing with the Crucible.
12. Given all of the above, the Crucible did not create new possibilities. It merely allowed for premeditated functionalities to be actualized.
13. Given the above fact, it is inferred that they must already be aware of the viability of Synthesis prior to the Crucible docking if, in fact, all the Crucible does is provide power. As the only limiting factor prior to the Crucible docking is power. Everything else was already built and ready to go.
The question emerges: If the Reapers are familiar with the Crucible design, have built a premeditated means to harness the Crucible's energy and ultimately desire for Synthesis to occur; why would they resist its docking? If it truly is a superior solution, why struggle to prevent it?
The only reason I can fathom is that it is NOT the ideal solution to the Reapers' hypothetical problem or it does not achieve the goals of whatever true (unexplained) objective they may have. It is simply viewed as preferable to the annihilation of the Reapers altogether.
The Twilight God wrote...
It has already been established in parts II and III of this thesis that the contraption within the docking chamber is a reaper contingency in the event the Crucible was ever to dock. It has been established that Control is a deception and Synthesis is not the Reapers' ideal outcome. Refusal to use the Crucible is tantamount to it never docking at all which is exactly what the Reapers wanted to begin with. Everything they have done up to this point supports this conclusion.
1. The Reapers retrieve the Citadel to prevent the Crucible from docking.
2. The Reapers consolidate forces around the Citadel to prevent the Crucible from docking.
3. The Reapers will inflict severe damage upon the Crucible, if Shield cannot hold them off, as it attempts to dock.
4. The Reapers do not drag an unwilling participant into the synthesis array if Shepard refuses. They shut down the array.
5. The Reapers destroy the Crucible after it has docked if Shepard dallies for too long without making a decision.
Modifié par The Twilight God, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:58 .
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
TonyIommi wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
skate4tacos96 wrote...
@Rogue Unit It was called the "Extended Cut" DLC. It was bound to happen at some point, as most extended cuts are the work of their dev. teams seeing room for improvement. So yes, I think it would have happened without the annoying complaints.
then i envy your faith in bioware. g'day.
and i envy your faith in minority movements to affect change
and i envy your ignorance. bliss, isn't it?
No. I recognize truth is beauty. Normally when people quote ignorance is bliss are themselves usually mirred in it.
ha! says the person who thinks EA released a major DLC for free to fix something that they claimed wasn't broken in the first place out of the kindness of their heart and not because of the fan backlash regarding the issue.
Yes because I think they would have released it any way regardless of the movement. The EC doesn't really add anything game play wise so it's not like you could have sold it like actual game play. It is not a major dlc in any sense, it is simply extended cutscenes.
It's hard to help you if you chose to remain ignorant man.
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