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[Thibbledorf26]

I'm a long time player of Bioware games, since the original Baldurs Gate, and have been on the forums since 04 before they migrated to the BSN.

Whether there is a decline in quality is a matter of opinion, but it seems everyone posting here agrees that there has been, they just differ as to what to do about it. I also believe there has been a decline in quality going on for a while, and IMO it ruined DA2 and stopped ME3 from being anything more than 'good'. I think the decline has to do with dlc microtransactions that are necessary to enjoy the full game IMO. I particularly was upset that in order to learn more about the Protheans (a major mystery of the series) you had to purchase extra dlc. I think when you pay for a core game, you should enjoy a full experience. DLC should give enjoyable additional content to the core storyline, for people who desire more. The reduction in real role-playing and quality of story-telling, as well as just plain less effort being put in to games are also major issues.

We complained when DA2 came out and let them know what we wanted, we made it clear in the run up to ME3. The decline has not stopped. Giving them more money if you don't like the product will give them zero inclination to alter their path.

I am going to stop buying anything from Bioware unless it obviously is a return to their higher quality roots in terms of these elements. If a DLC or full game comes out and it seems to be good value for its price, and seems to incorporate the great RPG elements and quality that made us fond of the company, then we should buy it.

I don't think hoping for a DLC that fixes the ending is the best option. I think the extended cut brought the ending from being bad, to being satisfactory, myself. I don't see them releasing paid DLC to fix the ending... that would be selling off pieces of the 'proper' ending, and I get the feeling that the extended cut was their one and only fix to the ending.

[inko1nsiderate]

yukon fire wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Lol I wasn't trying to prove anything. That comment just reminded me of that certain part of ME2. And no, I probably won't ever register my ME2, because I don't have to.

Cool, (thou I am hesitant to reply with you seeing insults everywhere) but you (and Bioware) really shouldn't be surprised when people call you out on the minimal amount and low quality of work you put into things. We all benefit when everybody does their best.

Yes.  I sure benefit when terrorists do their best to kill me.  I'm intentionally missing the pont.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:03 .

[yukon fire]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Lol seeing insults everywhere. That actually made me laugh. But look, I have no affiliation with Bioware other than this forum and their games I play. So I don't know why you keep saying "me" and Bioware need to work harder. Also, you didn't read any of my earlier posts on this forum, did you? I didn't necessarily support the pitches of content you don't want, in hopes that they do what we want. But I do think that all the complaining everyone does, doesn't get anyone anywhere. When people b**** and moan about their problems it just makes everyone pissy.

I know it "Enemy is everywhere", I didn't realize I had to actual spell it out. but the connection with Bioware was your getting upset when I pointed out you only had a three, blaming me for reacting to what I actually saw, and your refusal to do something that would only take a minute because you didn't feel it was worth it (even thou if you had this never would have been an issue); it's very much of the same mindset that I see in Bioware. As for any earlier posts you've made on this forum, I probably didn't read them as quite a few people with only threes are trolls I tend to skip over them. As for your anger at BSN I guess I don't understand no one here is to blame for ME3's failures.

Bioware needs to take responsibility for its failure. 

Modifié par yukon fire, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[skate4tacos96]

Yeah, they actually said the EC was the last fix to the endings. And I used to play Baldurs Gate to death when i was a little kid. I loved that game, just like I love Mass Effect. I just really hate to see one of the best video game franchises ever made, end in such a shameful way. It really is sad.

[yukon fire]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Lol I wasn't trying to prove anything. That comment just reminded me of that certain part of ME2. And no, I probably won't ever register my ME2, because I don't have to.

Cool, (thou I am hesitant to reply with you seeing insults everywhere) but you (and Bioware) really shouldn't be surprised when people call you out on the minimal amount and low quality of work you put into things. We all benefit when everybody does their best.

Yes.  I sure benefit when terrorists do their best to kill me.  I'm intentionally missing the pont.

Well, thats why we have Jack Bauer to whisper-yell at them. 

[skate4tacos96]

But me refusing to register my ME2 isn't killing a franchise. BioWares (or EA's) refusal to give us the content that we want certainly is though. I guess I'm just frustrated to see my favorite franchise just fade out. It's so depressing. The game had so much more potential.

[yukon fire]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Yeah, they actually said the EC was the last fix to the endings. And I used to play Baldurs Gate to death when i was a little kid. I loved that game, just like I love Mass Effect. I just really hate to see one of the best video game franchises ever made, end in such a shameful way. It really is sad.

Ah the EC, Slides with no context. So we get exactly half the effort put into every fallout ending ever made. Oh Bioware, how I wish you would actually start to try.

[Morty Smith]

As if they care if anyone on here is buying their stuff.

[Foolsfolly]

Kroitz wrote...

As if they care if anyone on here is buying their stuff.

[skate4tacos96]

Also, I don't think I could have registered my ME2 IF I wanted to, as I downloaded it off of the PSN store.

[Detsaot]

I don't really want any more Mass Effect games from the Mass Effect dev team.  ME3 comes across as a game made by people who wanted to be working on something else and just getting ME3 out of the way as fast as possible.  Most of what was wrong with ME3 (aside from the ending) seems to be the result of the dev team just not really caring.  Outside of some minor dialog changes, and a couple character skins, none of the decisions from ME or ME2 made any real impact in ME3.

Killed the Council?  Oh well, here's a group of suspiciously similar substitutes, with the same disposition towards Shepard, to take their places.  Recommended Anderson for the council?  To bad, he resigns because there just had to be a scene where Udina acts out of character (he's a cowardly politician who knows how to get things done, according to Anderson in ME2) and some drama with Ashley or Kaidan, who already worked through the very thing causing the drama several hours prior.  Killed the Rachni Queen?  Too bad, the reapers still have one, but you don't get some readiness points from not killing the new one, because that mission was so amazingly brilliant the dev team had no choice but to make sure no one playing ME3 who killed the Queen in ME missed out on it, according to one of ME3's developers.  At least if you destroyed the Collector Base Cerberus only salvages the same amount of stuff as if you handed it over to them, oh wait...

At least adding the crummy horde mode multiplayer mode, while damaging the single player game through the readiness system, forced BioWare to slightly improve the combat mechanics of the game.  The combat mechanics are still mediocre compared to other third person shooters, such as the Gears of War series, but now Shepard can roll around if you feel like it.

Maybe the Mass Effect team will be allowed to make a game they actually want to work on.  In that case, given some good user reviews and a price drop, I may feel inclined to support that project by buying it.  More stuff in the same vein as ME3 I have no interest in supporting.

[skate4tacos96]

yukon fire wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Yeah, they actually said the EC was the last fix to the endings. And I used to play Baldurs Gate to death when i was a little kid. I loved that game, just like I love Mass Effect. I just really hate to see one of the best video game franchises ever made, end in such a shameful way. It really is sad.

Ah the EC, Slides with no context. So we get exactly half the effort put into every fallout ending ever made. Oh Bioware, how I wish you would actually start to try.

Well there's one thing we actually agree on. Someone, whether it's BioWare or EA, needs to at least try to get it right. 

[Jadebaby]

Well didn't this thread disolve.

[Foolsfolly]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Yeah, they actually said the EC was the last fix to the endings. And I used to play Baldurs Gate to death when i was a little kid. I loved that game, just like I love Mass Effect. I just really hate to see one of the best video game franchises ever made, end in such a shameful way. It really is sad.

Ah the EC, Slides with no context. So we get exactly half the effort put into every fallout ending ever made. Oh Bioware, how I wish you would actually start to try.

Well there's one thing we actually agree on. Someone, whether it's BioWare or EA, needs to at least try to get it right. 

I agree as well. Slides aren't a bad thing as the Fallout games show. But slides for seemingly no reason with no narration to tell what they mean is... well... poorly done.

Like even poorly done for a quickly and cheaply slapped together band-aid for a poor ending to a game poor.

[skate4tacos96]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well didn't this thread disolve.

Yep. It sorta did lol. I don't like EA to much...

[yukon fire]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well didn't this thread disolve.

Hey now, we're building bridges into a darker tomorrow here. And I honestly thought we were past the bargaining step of grief.

[yukon fire]

Well its after midnight, good nite

[Massa FX]

I buy for Shepard. All my Shepards deserve better than me walking away angry. I'm going to support Shepard to the end.

Shepard deserves better than what BW did and Shepard deserves loyal fans.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm stating what I have to do.

edit: im tired/sleepy. sorry for bad grammar and sentence structure. g'night folks.

Modifié par Massa FX, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[Spartas Husky]

I'll never give up. My money is still there and my heart still in the game. Is just locked away. No need to buy stuff from em simply to relive the same ending.

[avatar0]

They gave up on us and Shepard, why can't we return the favor?

Besides, they already have their artistic integrity, why should they have our money, too?

Modifié par avatar0, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Biotic Budah]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!

In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.

Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.

In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.

Blind faith is what got a great deal of us to pre-order the game in the first place. Faith based on past experiences with the ME series. Blind faith ws given to them in hopes they would fix the ending. Some people may be out of blind faith. 

I bought the Leviathan DLC, reluctantly, it was...ok. Certainly not on the level of the Shadow Broker from ME2 but it was ok. I'm hoping that the next will be better because despite what has happened I know they are capable of better.

[Little Princess Peach]

I don't know if I want to support someone that cares little about the fanbase, im all up for more dlc but I can't in good faith run another playthrough for just one dlc that lasts an hour

[GreyWardenNathan]

I played the dlc and tbh it just seemed average to me

[Applepie_Svk]

Massa FX wrote...

I buy for Shepard. All my Shepards deserve better than me walking away angry. I'm going to support Shepard to the end.

Shepard deserves better than what BW did and Shepard deserves loyal fans.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm stating what I have to do.

edit: im tired/sleepy. sorry for bad grammar and sentence structure. g'night folks.

As much as I love Shepard and previous games so much BioWare trying to ruin those nice memories for me, previous games were exactly what I was looking for - great story, great characters, great universe but ME3 despite few nice moments ruin not just a ME3 but as well previous journey. I was replaying few weeks ago previous two titles and I still loved them but when I blew collector´s base I stop playing because I knew that the journey will suck in third game so what´s the point.

Shepard have a loyal fans as well Mass Effect and that´s reason why we are HOLDING THE LINE, because we simply refusing the low quality of 5 years long journey which is looks like coppy of few games and films at once.

[Xellith]

I love the "keep buying the stuff you dont want so they can keep making stuff you dont want" pitch