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[cydoniawarrior]

Detsaot wrote...

I don't really want any more Mass Effect games from the Mass Effect dev team.  ME3 comes across as a game made by people who wanted to be working on something else and just getting ME3 out of the way as fast as possible.  Most of what was wrong with ME3 (aside from the ending) seems to be the result of the dev team just not really caring.  Outside of some minor dialog changes, and a couple character skins, none of the decisions from ME or ME2 made any real impact in ME3.

Killed the Council?  Oh well, here's a group of suspiciously similar substitutes, with the same disposition towards Shepard, to take their places.  Recommended Anderson for the council?  To bad, he resigns because there just had to be a scene where Udina acts out of character (he's a cowardly politician who knows how to get things done, according to Anderson in ME2) and some drama with Ashley or Kaidan, who already worked through the very thing causing the drama several hours prior.  Killed the Rachni Queen?  Too bad, the reapers still have one, but you don't get some readiness points from not killing the new one, because that mission was so amazingly brilliant the dev team had no choice but to make sure no one playing ME3 who killed the Queen in ME missed out on it, according to one of ME3's developers.  At least if you destroyed the Collector Base Cerberus only salvages the same amount of stuff as if you handed it over to them, oh wait...

At least adding the crummy horde mode multiplayer mode, while damaging the single player game through the readiness system, forced BioWare to slightly improve the combat mechanics of the game.  The combat mechanics are still mediocre compared to other third person shooters, such as the Gears of War series, but now Shepard can roll around if you feel like it.

Maybe the Mass Effect team will be allowed to make a game they actually want to work on.  In that case, given some good user reviews and a price drop, I may feel inclined to support that project by buying it.  More stuff in the same vein as ME3 I have no interest in supporting.

I'm fairly sure this is a cut and paste from a metacritic review, secondly, 'decisions made in ME 2 have any impact' really? because in ME2 I chose not to activate legion before doing the suicide mission, therefore tali died, which meant the quarians were wiped out by the geth in ME3, I could not save both races. So that's a choice in ME2 having a pretty severe effect and therefore disproving your assertion

[drayfish]

Nobody should be trying to bribe Bioware in the hopes that they might, maybe, perhaps release something in the future that they actually want.

Bioware has made it clear that this is the product they wish to sell. indeed, they went to the extra pains of providing an Extended Cut to really drive that message home.

If people want to embrace that vision of the universe then of course: they should buy it, support it and justifiably celebrate it. If people do not want that vision then no: paying money for something that is not providing an experience they desire seems wholly contradictory.

I very much understand and sympathise with the sentiment, but Bioware have set the terms of the audience-artist relationship, and no one should ever be compelled or coerced into purchasing something they do not enjoy. That all but guarantees that nothing will change.

[Jadebaby]

drayfish wrote...

Nobody should be trying to bribe Bioware in the hopes that they might, maybe, perhaps release something in the future that they actually want.

Bioware has made it clear that this is the product they wish to sell. indeed, they went to the extra pains of providing an Extended Cut to really drive that message home.

If people want to embrace that vision of the universe then of course: they should buy it, support it and justifiably celebrate it. If people do not want that vision then no: paying money for something that is not providing an experience they desire seems wholly contradictory.

I very much understand and sympathise with the sentiment, but Bioware have set the terms of the audience-artist relationship, and no one should ever be compelled or coerced into purchasing something they do not enjoy. That all but guarantees that nothing will change.

Yea I know, it was a stupid thread. Surprised it caught on so much though.. sensitive issue.

[drayfish]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Nobody should be trying to bribe Bioware in the hopes that they might, maybe, perhaps release something in the future that they actually want.

Bioware has made it clear that this is the product they wish to sell. indeed, they went to the extra pains of providing an Extended Cut to really drive that message home.

If people want to embrace that vision of the universe then of course: they should buy it, support it and justifiably celebrate it. If people do not want that vision then no: paying money for something that is not providing an experience they desire seems wholly contradictory.

I very much understand and sympathise with the sentiment, but Bioware have set the terms of the audience-artist relationship, and no one should ever be compelled or coerced into purchasing something they do not enjoy. That all but guarantees that nothing will change.

Yea I know, it was a stupid thread. Surprised it caught on so much though.. sensitive issue.

No, no - not a stupid thread.  It came from a place of love and belief.  Those are good things.  Those are grand things.

I'm just not sure that these are things that Bioware is listening to at present.

[Henioo]

So we shoudl lick their boots, hoping they would gracefully continue making money off our backs?

No, thanks. I have no intention of supporting them anymore. Blackmailing me into doing so is so not the way to go.

[Ridwan]

Late to the party, but dear OP. If you keep giving a company cash for mediocrity then you're gonna keep getting mediocrity.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Voting with your dollars and telling the company why is the most effective way to get a message across, whether you are doing it out of support or protest.

[Grimez7]

Leviathan was great and shows BioWare still has the spark that they had in ME1/2. However, changing the ending is over and done with and now it is like beating a dead horse. BioWare has stated that EC DLC will be the only changes they will make to the endings, unfortunately.

[Benchpress610]

Sorry OP, while I share your sentiments on the ending, I can’t support your plea. I won’t spend another dime in this franchise unless the ending is reworked where we have the option of a complete victory, and once again we the players are given the opportunity to play as opposed to be mere observers 

Modifié par Benchpress610, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[King of the Evil Crabs]

Double edged sword.

If I don't support them things could get worse, if I blindly buy everything it encourages continued mediocrity.

[malakim2099]

element eater wrote...

I havent give up on them which is why im still reading the forum

but im not going to support something that i found so fundametaly dissatisfying. Ive made apoint on numerous occaisions as to what id like to see and if they did something along those lines id glady pick up the various dlcs. Supporting something im unhappy with would just be stupid on my part

Indeed. I don't play games to see Hope destroyed. If I want that I can read papers IRL.

So they can bite me. Not getting Leviathan. Not getting anything else unless things are mended.



EDIT:

I don't know if it was mentioned... but we did not give up on the Mass Effect team.

They gave up on us.

Modifié par malakim2099, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[Jadebaby]

M25105 wrote...

Late to the party, but dear OP. If you keep giving a company cash for mediocrity then you're gonna keep getting mediocrity.

I know, as you've probably clearly seen. However, Mass Effect 3 isn't over yet. So the only way you're giving into mediocrity is if ME3 isn't restored and you still go out and buy DA3, which also contains MP and other RPG-ridding elements.

Let me give some real world evidence for you....

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=243s
About downloadable content adding to the story.
http://au.ign.com/ar...an-dlc-review-2
Yes, I know it's ign, but this particular journalist seems to get it.
http://www.videogame...hes/review.html
Day 1 dlc no less.
http://social.biowar.../index/13910521
Omega game files, if it adds to the main story arc such as Leviathan did, or more; see Invasion comic.  It would be safe to assume that all this extra information will lead to "something".

We know in the EC they dropped the EMS for the best ending, so why, if they aren't adding anything more? Especially when said dlc only gives you *more* war assets?

Despite what other people have said, I'm still committed to supporting them until Shepard's story is "truly" dead.
And I believe the only way the game is being made this way is because they are all pieces of the story BioWare wanted to tell, but couldn't put them in the game because of EA's deadlines."Get the game out quick, anything else you want to add, do it in dlc."

Although I have my speculations, at the end of the day that's all that is, is blind, naive and maybe foolish optimism.

[Jadebaby]

Grimez7 wrote...

Leviathan was great and shows BioWare still has the spark that they had in ME1/2. However, changing the ending is over and done with and now it is like beating a dead horse. BioWare has stated that EC DLC will be the only changes they will make to the endings, unfortunately.

Need I pull out all the other things they said and then went back on? 

"No new endings in EC" is most relevant.

[Fat Head]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Late to the party, but dear OP. If you keep giving a company cash for mediocrity then you're gonna keep getting mediocrity.

I know, as you've probably clearly seen. However, Mass Effect 3 isn't over yet. So the only way you're giving into mediocrity is if ME3 isn't restored and you still go out and buy DA3, which also contains MP and other RPG-ridding elements.

Let me give some real world evidence for you....

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=243s
About downloadable content adding to the story.
http://au.ign.com/ar...an-dlc-review-2
Yes, I know it's ign, but this particular journalist seems to get it.
http://www.videogame...hes/review.html
Day 1 dlc no less.
http://social.biowar.../index/13910521
Omega game files, if it adds to the main story arc such as Leviathan did, or more; see Invasion comic.  It would be safe to assume that all this extra information will lead to "something".

We know in the EC they dropped the EMS for the best ending, so why, if they aren't adding anything more? Especially when said dlc only gives you *more* war assets?

Despite what other people have said, I'm still committed to supporting them until Shepard's story is "truly" dead.
And I believe the only way the game is being made this way is because they are all pieces of the story BioWare wanted to tell, but couldn't put them in the game because of EA's deadlines."Get the game out quick, anything else you want to add, do it in dlc."

Although I have my speculations, at the end of the day that's all that is, is blind, naive and maybe foolish optimism.

Here's one more.  This article mirrored my feelings very much.

http://koobismo.devi...-Hope-324512142

Truth is, I'll buy every DLC that they make for this game.  I love Mass Effect too much to not give it and them a chance.  But, if at the end of the DLCs and the final story, i'm still not satisfied....  Then I'm really done.

[Icinix]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Grimez7 wrote...

Leviathan was great and shows BioWare still has the spark that they had in ME1/2. However, changing the ending is over and done with and now it is like beating a dead horse. BioWare has stated that EC DLC will be the only changes they will make to the endings, unfortunately.

Need I pull out all the other things they said and then went back on? 

"No new endings in EC" is most relevant.

Yeah if there is one thing that I'm sort of hanging a thread of hope on - its that their track record the last few years is pretty much them doing exactly what they said they wouldn't.

Modifié par Icinix, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[Ridwan]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Late to the party, but dear OP. If you keep giving a company cash for mediocrity then you're gonna keep getting mediocrity.

I know, as you've probably clearly seen. However, Mass Effect 3 isn't over yet. So the only way you're giving into mediocrity is if ME3 isn't restored and you still go out and buy DA3, which also contains MP and other RPG-ridding elements.

Let me give some real world evidence for you....

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=243s
About downloadable content adding to the story.
http://au.ign.com/ar...an-dlc-review-2
Yes, I know it's ign, but this particular journalist seems to get it.
http://www.videogame...hes/review.html
Day 1 dlc no less.
http://social.biowar.../index/13910521
Omega game files, if it adds to the main story arc such as Leviathan did, or more; see Invasion comic.  It would be safe to assume that all this extra information will lead to "something".

We know in the EC they dropped the EMS for the best ending, so why, if they aren't adding anything more? Especially when said dlc only gives you *more* war assets?

Despite what other people have said, I'm still committed to supporting them until Shepard's story is "truly" dead.
And I believe the only way the game is being made this way is because they are all pieces of the story BioWare wanted to tell, but couldn't put them in the game because of EA's deadlines."Get the game out quick, anything else you want to add, do it in dlc."

Although I have my speculations, at the end of the day that's all that is, is blind, naive and maybe foolish optimism.

Why would I care what the DLC adds to the story when in the end some see through kid shows up? The fact that Bioware just can't man up and say "Look guys, we're sorry we ****ed up. We thought we were being smart with this ending, but like adults (and cause we want your money and support) we will apologise to you" hell that would've gone a long way. But we didn't even get an apology, except for some half assed statement about "trying to please our most passionate fans (hint that translates into no life losers), but still maintain our artistic integrity (translation: "we won't change the ending, bite me").

So yeah, I didn't buy Javik, I youtubed the EC and I have 0 interest in Leviathan since I know no matter what happens Shepard is still gonna face three colours.

[devSin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

We know in the EC they dropped the EMS for the best ending, so why, if they aren't adding anything more? Especially when said dlc only gives you *more* war assets?

Because they lied that multiplayer wasn't necessary to access any of the single-player content. Repeatedly and persistently lied.

They had to fix the issue or admit to lying. They fixed the issue, and multiplayer is no longer required to access any of the single-player content.

The reduction is their mea culpa. It has no relation to any future plans.

Modifié par devSin, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[ShepComing4U]

cydoniawarrior wrote...

Detsaot wrote...

I don't really want any more Mass Effect games from the Mass Effect dev team.  ME3 comes across as a game made by people who wanted to be working on something else and just getting ME3 out of the way as fast as possible.  Most of what was wrong with ME3 (aside from the ending) seems to be the result of the dev team just not really caring.  Outside of some minor dialog changes, and a couple character skins, none of the decisions from ME or ME2 made any real impact in ME3.

Killed the Council?  Oh well, here's a group of suspiciously similar substitutes, with the same disposition towards Shepard, to take their places.  Recommended Anderson for the council?  To bad, he resigns because there just had to be a scene where Udina acts out of character (he's a cowardly politician who knows how to get things done, according to Anderson in ME2) and some drama with Ashley or Kaidan, who already worked through the very thing causing the drama several hours prior.  Killed the Rachni Queen?  Too bad, the reapers still have one, but you don't get some readiness points from not killing the new one, because that mission was so amazingly brilliant the dev team had no choice but to make sure no one playing ME3 who killed the Queen in ME missed out on it, according to one of ME3's developers.  At least if you destroyed the Collector Base Cerberus only salvages the same amount of stuff as if you handed it over to them, oh wait...

At least adding the crummy horde mode multiplayer mode, while damaging the single player game through the readiness system, forced BioWare to slightly improve the combat mechanics of the game.  The combat mechanics are still mediocre compared to other third person shooters, such as the Gears of War series, but now Shepard can roll around if you feel like it.

Maybe the Mass Effect team will be allowed to make a game they actually want to work on.  In that case, given some good user reviews and a price drop, I may feel inclined to support that project by buying it.  More stuff in the same vein as ME3 I have no interest in supporting.

I'm fairly sure this is a cut and paste from a metacritic review, secondly, 'decisions made in ME 2 have any impact' really? because in ME2 I chose not to activate legion before doing the suicide mission, therefore tali died, which meant the quarians were wiped out by the geth in ME3, I could not save both races. So that's a choice in ME2 having a pretty severe effect and therefore disproving your assertion

Some mattered, others didnt. Collector base, Rachni Queen, etc.

[Squallypo]

im not giving them any chance, they already effed things up enough.

[Jadebaby]

M25105 wrote...

Why would I care what the DLC adds to the story when in the end some see through kid shows up? The fact that Bioware just can't man up and say "Look guys, we're sorry we ****ed up. We thought we were being smart with this ending, but like adults (and cause we want your money and support) we will apologise to you" hell that would've gone a long way. But we didn't even get an apology, except for some half assed statement about "trying to please our most passionate fans (hint that translates into no life losers), but still maintain our artistic integrity (translation: "we won't change the ending, bite me").

So yeah, I didn't buy Javik, I youtubed the EC and I have 0 interest in Leviathan since I know no matter what happens Shepard is still gonna face three colours.

That's supposing they didn't intend to plan it this way. Whether they had the Ace up their sleave or are going to do it because of the backlash, I'm deludedly confident that they will rectify it by the end.

[Jadebaby]

devSin wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

We know in the EC they dropped the EMS for the best ending, so why, if they aren't adding anything more? Especially when said dlc only gives you *more* war assets?

Because they lied that multiplayer wasn't necessary to access any of the single-player content. Repeatedly and persistently lied.

They had to fix the issue or admit to lying. They fixed the issue, and multiplayer is no longer required to access any of the single-player content.

The reduction is their mea culpa. It has no relation to any future plans.

So does that mean I don't have to have 100% readiness to get the best ending? When I say best ending I mean the one where your LI doesn't put the nameplate on the wall.

[ME859]

I get where the OP is coming from. More and more businesses are learning when to "fire" customers. Bioware has been threatened so many times now that a lot of the staff over there has probably gotten use to tuning it out.

Customers at the very least have to be courteous and/or profitable. If you're neither then companies will actively look for ways to get rid of you. Your business/money eventually isn't worth the headache as you are more likely to hurt morale among employees and drain resources from the company then you are to contribute to the bottom line.

The best way to go about this is to continue to be courteous and understanding. Yelling at the company and telling them you're not going to buy anything, especially from a company that isn't struggling financially will get you no where.

That or throw so much money at them that they can't afford to ignore your ranting and raving.

Then again how many angel investors do we have lurking around the forum?

[Benchpress610]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Why would I care what the DLC adds to the story when in the end some see through kid shows up? The fact that Bioware just can't man up and say "Look guys, we're sorry we ****ed up. We thought we were being smart with this ending, but like adults (and cause we want your money and support) we will apologise to you" hell that would've gone a long way. But we didn't even get an apology, except for some half assed statement about "trying to please our most passionate fans (hint that translates into no life losers), but still maintain our artistic integrity (translation: "we won't change the ending, bite me").

So yeah, I didn't buy Javik, I youtubed the EC and I have 0 interest in Leviathan since I know no matter what happens Shepard is still gonna face three colours.

That's supposing they didn't intend to plan it this way. Whether they had the Ace up their sleave or are going to do it because of the backlash, I'm deludedly confident that they will rectify it by the end.

Well, if they do, I will sing their praises and give them my money again. Not until then tough.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Nobody should be trying to bribe Bioware in the hopes that they might, maybe, perhaps release something in the future that they actually want.

Bioware has made it clear that this is the product they wish to sell. indeed, they went to the extra pains of providing an Extended Cut to really drive that message home.

If people want to embrace that vision of the universe then of course: they should buy it, support it and justifiably celebrate it. If people do not want that vision then no: paying money for something that is not providing an experience they desire seems wholly contradictory.

I very much understand and sympathise with the sentiment, but Bioware have set the terms of the audience-artist relationship, and no one should ever be compelled or coerced into purchasing something they do not enjoy. That all but guarantees that nothing will change.

Yea I know, it was a stupid thread. Surprised it caught on so much though.. sensitive issue.

Nah. Not a stupid thread. I can understand both the sentiment of drayfish and yours. Probably because I am somewhere in the middle. I want to experience that last part of the series which I followed since ME1. Although I didn't expect much of the Leviathan DLC, I liked it. If I take my pink shades off and followed logic then I shouldn't have bought it all. On the other hand, being rational all the time isn't much fun either.

[devSin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So does that mean I don't have to have 100% readiness to get the best ending? When I say best ending I mean the one where your LI doesn't put the nameplate on the wall.

Nope. You never needed 100% readiness.

You needed 5,000 EMS (4,000 if you make the final persuasion attempt and can "save" Anderson) before the extended cut. But there are fewer than 8,000 total assets available in the single-player campaign (prior to Leviathan, at least), meaning that you could never achieve the required EMS with the default 50% readiness. You either had to play multiplayer or use the iOS apps (or cheat).

This was changed in the extended cut to only 3,100 EMS, which is readily achievable with the default readiness (it may require you to import an ME2 save, but it's still a number that shouldn't be prohibitive for most players).