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[Animositisomina]

Whenever I see threads like this, I can't help but wonder if the OP is an employee using a sockpuppet account.

[Omega Torsk]

I support this thread.

I don't want ME3 to die... not until it's finished.

And I'm not talking about the endings. The EC fixed the endings for me once and for all. I'm willing to let it go.

But I'm willing to have faith in the Mass Effect team. Leviathan opened the door for big things. I can't wait to see what they have in store for the future!

[GGW KillerTiger]

Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 has made all my faith in BioWare vanish ....

Also original poster you're saying we should just blindly give the company our money saying it's ok they sold us a BETA? Yea great logic with that ....

Down with BioWare!

Modifié par GGW KillerTiger, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Saberchic]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!

So we should pay for things we don't want and act out of fear? No. That's not how I roll.

In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.

Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.

So we show them we want changes by spending money and buying something we didn't want?
Having faith in someone is not bad, but when they have abused that trust (false marketing, outright lies, etc.), it's ridiculous to keep giving someone money to keep doing what you don't like them doing.

In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.

No. You don't "know" what will happen. You're acting out of fear and letting it rule you. What I read in your post: Oh my god! If Leviathan doesn't sell enough, then Bioware won't be releasing any more DLC. (My guess is that you may be hoping for the Omega dlc or ME2 Squadmate dlc.)

If we really want change, then people who don't want to buy Levi should not. Spending the money only reinforces what they are doing. Hence, it sends the wrong message.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Omega Torsk wrote...

I support this thread.

I don't want ME3 to die... not until it's finished.

And I'm not talking about the endings. The EC fixed the endings for me once and for all. I'm willing to let it go.

But I'm willing to have faith in the Mass Effect team. Leviathan opened the door for big things. I can't wait to see what they have in store for the future!

I'm in the same boat as you.

[Steve The Seal]

Super-Model wrote...

Good post TS you make good points. However, if we keep allowing these game companies get away with unfulfilled promises on what the game is supposed to deliver, whats to stop them from repeating this in the future. This being the entertainment industry you have to deliver upon your promises and then exceed some if you want to be successful.

I actually thought about this recently. In most countries false advertisement is illegal... And they advertise that there 16 different endings... I believe that one could get their money back from the game, pleading false advertisement (too late now with EC because I think that there is 16 "different" endings now).. That would have send them a message.. but not sure if it would have been possible... perhaps...

[Fnork]

I haven't given up completely on the ME team. The EC clearly showed Walters' wasteland didn't happen so I'm thinking ME4 might be good. As for ME3, yeah. Not spending one penny on that.

[DirtySHISN0]

OPs option;

Keep buying retroactively destructive crap that further damages a once beautiful universe in the hope that further crap will, in fact, not be crap. (Implying that companies think they need to do something different if something is selling just fine)

Other options;

Stop buying crap in protest with two possible outcomes;
A - no more crap being sold at all due to lack of interest,
B - company listens and changes crap to gold in attempts to win back its speaking coin purses.


Now I don't really like either option, but then again i've made peace with the fact that Mass Effect (in the glorious form i remember it) is no longer with us, so I'll take my chances with the coincidentally appropriate option of only buying that which appeals to me.

[Patchwork]

I hope Bioware rewards your faith in them OP I honestly do but it's completely unfair of you or anyone else to try and guilt people into paying for something they don't want.

[fainmaca]

Sorry OP, but that is a really naive approach to things. How is rewarding the company for their work supposed to convince them that we don't like their product? When your pet leaves a little surprise on the floor, you don't feed him a treat. You scold him to teach him that that sort of thing goes outside. Otherwise you'll wake up to find another steaming pile in your slippers the following morning. Bioware won't change their ways if they release this sub-par story and business just goes on as usual.

I played ME1 and ME2, and then proceeded to spend close to a thousand US dollars on merchandise (liths, t-shirts, books and DLC). I wanted to express my support, and showing my support through collecting these items seemed like the best way to do it. ME3 came around, and I haven't put a single penny more into the franchise because of it. I can't think of a better way to get the message across that I do not support the new direction the team has taken things.

So no, I'm not going to continue funnelling my cash into something that I dislike on the silly notion that if Bioware gets enough support for their current vision they'll change it. If they want my money, they have to show me that they're changing it. as is, I see nothing in the least approaching what needs to be done.

And frankly, if Bioware are going to insist on dragging the franchise through this new heap of crap to sustain their own vision, I'd rather they just pulled the plug. In this case, no ME3 would be better than ME3 DLC that supports the 'art'. It would have been better to let the franchise die with a little dignity than violate it as they have.

[r.anger]

It seems that Bioware has drawn it's line in the sand. I don't see greatness coming in the future based on DA2, ME3 ending, EC (although it did make ending tolerable), Leviathan was like a side mission that could have been in-game...of course, just my opinions. Would be great if they tuned it all around, I'd buy it all, but I'm not holding my breath.

Wrong forum to say it in, but I do like the MP, there's that.

[ld1449]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!

In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.

Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.

In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.

Ask me a month ago and I may have agreed with you.

But after Chris and Gamble's statements which basically equated to "If you don't like it, get the **** out." I find myself more inclined to adhere to their wishes than going on "blind faith and optimism."

sorry OP, but we, as in those unsatisfied with the ending, have given them ample oportunity to do right by this series. If the team and writers themselves wish to let it be remembered as one of the most horrendously dissapointing conclusions to any series on any medium *ever* then we the fans, can only go so far. The rest needs to come from them.

And even if there is no "monetary" inclination to do this with tanking DLC sales (though everyone knows DLC sales would jump across the map with an ending fix) theres the reputation of the company and the team itself to drive them on. After spouting 75 perfect scores and how perfect Mass Effect was in general even after the ending debacle hit the fan (with their co-founder stating that it was the best game they've ever made) The Bioware people have put their reputation very much on the line. Even if only to keep up appearances they might want to push on.

So let them have at it. If we get an ending fix at the end I'm willing to forgive and forget and put my pre order of DA3 back on the roster.

Until that time, if they are deaf to continued pleas, perhaps they won't be so deaf to their bottom line.

[Eryri]

I understand your concerns OP. It would be tragic if they are planning something like Project X only to cancel it due to lack of interest. But I'm afraid I just can't bring myself to even play the game any more, let alone buy DLC for it. Those endings as they currently stand just sap all my enthusiasm.

However that would change completely if they ever release a new ending - either based on IT, or a successful version of refuse. In fact I would buy PS3 copies of ME2 and ME3 with all the DLC, so I could play the whole saga on my big TV instead of hunched over my PC.

Maybe what Bioware need to do is give us some hints about what they actually are planning? Nothing too spoilery, just enough to let us make informed decisions on whether to stick with the franchise.

Modifié par Eryri, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Lionheart316]

Wrong place to ask for support TS, I would say support them when you need to. Half of the Bioware forum spends their days ****ing about Bioware and refusing to utterly walk away in hopes they can drag a few more soul with them.

The other half will support Bioware because they can and want to. Like me, I like ME3. I will continue buying a reasonable SP DLC in the future. I wish Leviathan was priced cheaper because the missions were a bit short and the end was just that.

[wafflez]

Well that's a very naive way of thinking about things. Spend money on something I don't like out of fear? That's not how I do things.

[ld1449]

To be honest jade. You really have only two people to blame for your concerns.

Chris and Gamble.

Without their statements a lot of people may have bought Levi with your shared hope. That it would save this series in the long run.

With the repeated "The endings will not change. We've said it multiple times we won't be changing the endings anymore. Stop asking about it" That kinda nipped that hope right off.

I've honestly never seen such self sabotage from any company. Its baffling in all honesty

[Lord Nikon 001]

fainmaca wrote...

Sorry OP, but that is a really naive approach to things. How is rewarding the company for their work supposed to convince them that we don't like their product? When your pet leaves a little surprise on the floor, you don't feed him a treat. You scold him to teach him that that sort of thing goes outside. Otherwise you'll wake up to find another steaming pile in your slippers the following morning. Bioware won't change their ways if they release this sub-par story and business just goes on as usual.

I played ME1 and ME2, and then proceeded to spend close to a thousand US dollars on merchandise (liths, t-shirts, books and DLC). I wanted to express my support, and showing my support through collecting these items seemed like the best way to do it. ME3 came around, and I haven't put a single penny more into the franchise because of it. I can't think of a better way to get the message across that I do not support the new direction the team has taken things.

So no, I'm not going to continue funnelling my cash into something that I dislike on the silly notion that if Bioware gets enough support for their current vision they'll change it. If they want my money, they have to show me that they're changing it. as is, I see nothing in the least approaching what needs to be done.

And frankly, if Bioware are going to insist on dragging the franchise through this new heap of crap to sustain their own vision, I'd rather they just pulled the plug. In this case, no ME3 would be better than ME3 DLC that supports the 'art'. It would have been better to let the franchise die with a little dignity than violate it as they have.

This ^

I don't know about anyone else, but when someone dumps crap on me I don't go asking for more. If ME can't recover or continue due to poor sales after this, so be it. If they make no further DLC, I won't loose any sleep. I'll gladly take my money somewhere else.

If by some grace of the Gods they actually add a happy ending or a reason to replay the game, which is what I personally would like, then maybe. Otherwise I'm done with ME3. I continue to lurk on the boards more out of boredom than anything else...

[Aaleel]

Either something is quality or it isn't. Why should people spend money on something just for the purpose of giving the company that disappointed them revenue in hopes that they'll improve the product.

If Mass Effect 3 goes the way of DA2, a couple DLC and out then so be it. Hopefully whatever Bioware puts out next will be high quality from the release and people can get DLC that builds upon the vanilla game instead of trying to make corrections, which has been the pattern lately.

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!

In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.

Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.

In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.

You come off as really pathetic in your post. It saddens me. Have a shred of self respect. They hold no cards. The consumer holds the cards. The free market will decide.

Let them cancel their DLC plans. Then they won;t gut a game and try to seel the rest by nickel and diming cutomers via DLC. The game had the same development time as ME2, but without the need for major graphical and gameplay overhauls. And yet it's half as long as ME2 with fewer hubs, fetch quests and resued multiplayer maps. Screw EA's micro-transaction BS.

Bioware needs to understand who puts food on their table: customers. It's never about what they want in a game. It's about what WE want in a game. The time for second chances is over. And despite being two seperate teams they are one face, one front and one company. ME3 was their second chance and they blew it and then had the nerve to tell us to go F ourselves. They'll feed us what they want, not what we want. I hope EA dissolves their asses.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[blueumi]

i have no faith in them they made that ending the worst ending i have ever seen in a game if the game goes under it's biowares fault we don't have to buy something we no longer like

[Foolsfolly]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


People need to stop holding their wallets and start supporting this company if they ever want anything in regards to the endings changed.

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from cutting their losses and running, cancelling future dlc plans.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY don't want to see that happen!

In fact, I would rather support them on blind faith and optimism alone, hoping that they will listen and fix this with future dlc. But for that to happen, people need to get off their "youtube" horses and show BioWare how much you want a better ending for Shepard and for Mass Effect too.

Because at the end of the day, they hold all the cards.

In the same way we all banded together to "hold the line", we need to band together once again to show BioWare just how far we're willing to go. Sure, this blind faith might be a bit dellusional, but I know for a fact that 'holding the wallet', is not going to do anything but bad things.

I'm sorry but I'm done until Mass Effect 4.

And it better be a Mass Effect 4 and not a prequel. If we go First Contact War or some other pre-existing conflict I'm done with Mass Effect.

This was a decent game. Mechanics worked well, the character work was all right... it fell apart in the end. They put together an Extended Ending and it did nothing to help the taste in my mouth at how bad that ending and the reveal about the Reapers being slaves to a HAL-9000.

I was in a DLC downloading frenzy for ME2. I couldn't ever have enough DLC. I just don't care about DLC for ME3. It's over.

[Ticonderoga117]

I want them to stop. Why? Because they keep trying to sell us on the Catalyst, and seriously, **** that character. Worst thing to happen to a narrative.

If they want to make a DLC that I would buy, let me argue with the twerp so I can serve him a big dish of FU and everybody can live while the Reapers fly into a star somewhere.

[Yaos]

tomcplotts wrote...

sorry, disagree. best thing for everyone for them is to cut their losses and this franchise and start over somewhere else. the reality is that if you continue to personalize what is otherwise a cold, economic transaction, you'll continue to get exploited. this is a position of weakness.

this whole drama is a very rare opportunity to actually discipline and train a corporation, instead of the other way around which is the norm these days. you should think bigger and use it to your advantage.

if you want better games, more service, respect and support, than you need to let these firms know that you have limits on how much abuse you will take and be able to stick to it. otherwise they have no financial incentive to stop behaving badly.

Just my two cents.

^this

[davepissedatending]

I understand the ending hate didn't like it myself but the rest of the game was amazing. I will buy all the single player dlc like i did with 1 n 2 love from ashes loved Levi . Not a fan of mp tho but the more single player dlc the better

[garrusfan1]

I agree OP