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[7he Island Head]

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
it will be explained in the next dlc

[Dusen]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

In Mass Effect 2, Reapers were supposed to be created in the Image of the Species they harvest. That is why in the end sequence for Mass Effect 2 we see Harbinger leading an army of different looking Reaper Dreadnoughts.

They retconned it in Mass Effect 3 and now all the Reapers look like Harbinger, well everyone but the Destroyers, but God knows who they are supposed to look like.

This ^

Bioware just got lazy, again. As for why Harbinger and the Reaper-destroyers are different though? . . I don't even think Bioware knows that.

[Barnzy]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Verkir wrote...

The fact that people still don't understand this eludes me.



The interior of the Reaper is based on the harvested species.

I remember Bioware mentioned them intending to show this in Mass Effect 2, but never did.

Do you have any in-game evidence?

I'm not sure there is much (if any) in game evidence. But Mac Walters confirmed it in this Q&A:

www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/21/mass-effect-a-q-amp-a-for-hardcore-fans.aspx

[Barnzy]

Dusen wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

In Mass Effect 2, Reapers were supposed to be created in the Image of the Species they harvest. That is why in the end sequence for Mass Effect 2 we see Harbinger leading an army of different looking Reaper Dreadnoughts.

They retconned it in Mass Effect 3 and now all the Reapers look like Harbinger, well everyone but the Destroyers, but God knows who they are supposed to look like.

This ^

Bioware just got lazy, again. As for why Harbinger and the Reaper-destroyers are different though? . . I don't even think Bioware knows that.

I'm not sure they did retcon their idea, considering there are so few reaper varients in the end cutscene in ME2. I beleive you can make out 3 or 4 different types. It suggests that it was always their intention for the human reaper to be the "core" for a capital ship reaper ....

Modifié par Barnzy, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[AndreasShepard]

At the end of Mass Effect 2 when we see the reapers approaching there are clearly different shaped capitol ships shown so the reason for all reaper ships looking the same is a retcon obviously due to limited time/resources during the production of ME3.

This whole "reapers all look different on the inside" buisness is just such an excuse made up to cover this fact.

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[AresKeith]

AndreasShepard wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect 2 when we see the reapers approaching there are clearly different shaped capitol ships shown so the reason for all reaper ships looking the same is a retcon obviously due to limited time/resources during the production of ME3.

This whole "reapers all look different on the inside" buisness is just such an excuse made up to cover this fact.

exactly This, they came up with this fake reason because they follow through with their original plan to make them all look different because of EA's restrict time and limited resources

[Barnzy]

AndreasShepard wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect 2 when we see the reapers approaching there are clearly different shaped capitol ships shown so the reason for all reaper ships looking the same is a retcon obviously due to limited time/resources during the production of ME3.

This whole "reapers all look different on the inside" buisness is just such an excuse made up to cover this fact.

No! There are only a few different reapers seen in this cutscene. I made a thread about one of these specific varients a while back here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12188631

But i'll link one of the images here:
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg

As you can see, there are only about 3 or 4 different reaper varients. I've taken the liberty of circling one of them here.

Modifié par Barnzy, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:26 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Ser Issac wrote...

It's stated in the Leviathan DLC that the Reapers are created in the likeness of the Leviathan, beginning eons ago with Harbinger. So why was there a human reaper/terminator clone being created in ME2?

Already asked and answered.

The Cuttlefish is the exterior, the core of each reaper resembles the species used to create it.

The Human-Reaper was even addressed as a larva in ME2. EDI saying that each reaper is in the likeness of the reace used was speculative, as until ME3, they had seen no other Reapers to compare it to. At best, she was half-right.

[ElementL09]

Went to the core of a Derelict Reaper in Mass Effect 2 and didn't see anything that represented/modeled a race of a previous cycle

I believe, as others have pointed out, it was retconned.  The different Reapers at the end of ME2 not in Mass Effect 3 is an example.

[Barnzy]

ElementL09 wrote...

Went to the core of a Derelict Reaper in Mass Effect 2 and didn't see anything that represented/modeled a race of a previous cycle

I believe, as others have pointed out, it was retconned.  The different Reapers at the end of ME2 not in Mass Effect 3 is an example.

Actually we do! That reaper core looks much like the outside of the reaper though, unless they harvested another cuttlefish like species:

screenshot.xfire.com/s/114616401-4.jpg


screenshot.xfire.com/s/114616390-4.jpg

[WhiteKnyght]

Barnzy wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect 2 when we see the reapers approaching there are clearly different shaped capitol ships shown so the reason for all reaper ships looking the same is a retcon obviously due to limited time/resources during the production of ME3.

This whole "reapers all look different on the inside" buisness is just such an excuse made up to cover this fact.

No! There are only a few different reapers seen in this cutscene. I made a thread about one of these specific varients a while back here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12188631

But i'll link one of the images here:
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg

As you can see, there are only about 3 or 4 different reaper varients. I've taken the liberty of circling one of them here.

Read the codex in ME3 and play Leviathan. There are five Reaper variants.

Harbinger - A unique capital reaper which is defined as being larger and more powerful than the normal capital class. Later revealed to be the first Reaper, upon whom the others are based. Harbingers own superior ability likely stems from being created from the Leviathan race, which were significantly more evolved/advanced than the other races.

Capital - The standard skyscraper sized cuttlefish.

Destroyer - A smaller variant designed specifically for ground combat.

Troop Transports - A non sentient version which is controlled remotely by the other Reapers.(likely the variant circled in your image.)

Processors - Another non sentient and remotely controlled version. These are used for processing harvested materials(people and technology) for use in creating more Reapers.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

It's a double thing?

Make the outer part in the image of Harbinger who itself was made in the image of the Leviathans and make the inner core in the image of the harvested species. It's rather awesome if you think of it like that.

And people mistake the term "in the image of". It has never meant "identical replica" not does it mean that here.

[R3MUS]

Here we go again. Oh my god...

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I swear this fandom has completely lost its **** since the ending debacle. Now every little thing is proof that Bioware hates us all.

[Barnzy]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect 2 when we see the reapers approaching there are clearly different shaped capitol ships shown so the reason for all reaper ships looking the same is a retcon obviously due to limited time/resources during the production of ME3.

This whole "reapers all look different on the inside" buisness is just such an excuse made up to cover this fact.

No! There are only a few different reapers seen in this cutscene. I made a thread about one of these specific varients a while back here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12188631

But i'll link one of the images here:
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg
i50.tinypic.com/ei7bl2.jpg

As you can see, there are only about 3 or 4 different reaper varients. I've taken the liberty of circling one of them here.

Read the codex in ME3 and play Leviathan. There are five Reaper variants.

Harbinger - A unique capital reaper which is defined as being larger and more powerful than the normal capital class. Later revealed to be the first Reaper, upon whom the others are based. Harbingers own superior ability likely stems from being created from the Leviathan race, which were significantly more evolved/advanced than the other races.

Capital - The standard skyscraper sized cuttlefish.

Destroyer - A smaller variant designed specifically for ground combat.

Troop Transports - A non sentient version which is controlled remotely by the other Reapers.(likely the variant circled in your image.)

Processors - Another non sentient and remotely controlled version. These are used for processing harvested materials(people and technology) for use in creating more Reapers.

I am aware if this, all i am saying is that there are not 100+ different reapers in the ME2 ending cutscene, only a few. As i said, i have circled one such variety here:



This one is either the Troop Transport or the Processor varient

If you look at the image, you will see that there are only a few different reaper varients...


Edit:
This version is even featured as a hologram in the "N7: Cerberus Lab" Mission:






Edit 2:

Here you can see the Destroyer varient in the ME2 ending cutscene:

Modifié par Barnzy, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The Reapers have some variety in the lore but look identical in ME3 gameplay. Its gameplay and story segregation. It's also the reason all human npcs don't look completely unique even thoufh logically, they should.

[ElementL09]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

The Reapers have some variety in the lore but look identical in ME3 gameplay. Its gameplay and story segregation. It's also the reason all human npcs don't look completely unique even thoufh logically, they should.

But even the NPC's have notable outer appearance differences. 

[TheCrazyHobo]

Barnzy wrote...


I am aware if this, all i am saying is that there are not 100+ different reapers in the ME2 ending cutscene, only a few. As i said, i have circled one such variety here:



This one is either the Troop Transport or the Processor varient

If you look at the image, you will see that there are only a few different reaper varients...

Problem is, according to the Codex, the other Reaper Variants are tiny.

Harbinger/Dreadnaught: 2 km
Destroyer: 160 m 
Troop Transport 200 m- 1 km
Processor- no data

While I understand that the Troop Tansport can be up to half the size of a Soveriegn class, the Reapers in this picture all look to be relativley close in size to Harbinger.  Also, these Reaper's appear to be the Sentient ones, however this is only based on the fact that they have the "glowy eyes."  I also understand that this could also mean that they are under the control of a Reaper or the glowy eyes could just be a cool design feature.

In the end, we just need to acknowledge they retconned the appearnace of the Reapers and move on.    

[Evo_9]

Verkir wrote...

The fact that people still don't understand this eludes me.



The interior of the Reaper is based on the harvested species.

This hurts me.

Bioware scwered up major on this issue.

Originally they must of intended for that to be the case but then they realised how hard it would be to individually create a different reaper in ME3 due to time/budget constraints.

There is no evidence at all in the game that the harvested species is the core of a reaper. Its just a cop out because they screwed up with the whole human reaper story.

We have even been inside a old dead reaper in ME2 and there were no signs of any reaper core machine anywhere....dont you think that would of been a good time to see it? 

also in ME1 where was the evidence of a reaper core when soverign was destroyed...and we see benezia and saren inside soverign but never and other reaper.

Its just a stupid band aid approach to a stupid story in ME2.

Modifié par Evo_9, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[Barnzy]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Barnzy wrote...


I am aware if this, all i am saying is that there are not 100+ different reapers in the ME2 ending cutscene, only a few. As i said, i have circled one such variety here:



This one is either the Troop Transport or the Processor varient

If you look at the image, you will see that there are only a few different reaper varients...

Problem is, according to the Codex, the other Reaper Variants are tiny.

Harbinger/Dreadnaught: 2 km
Destroyer: 160 m 
Troop Transport 200 m- 1 km
Processor- no data

While I understand that the Troop Tansport can be up to half the size of a Soveriegn class, the Reapers in this picture all look to be relativley close in size to Harbinger.  Also, these Reaper's appear to be the Sentient ones, however this is only based on the fact that they have the "glowy eyes."  I also understand that this could also mean that they are under the control of a Reaper or the glowy eyes could just be a cool design feature.

In the end, we just need to acknowledge they retconned the appearnace of the Reapers and move on.    

I will acknowledge that they retconned the size of them, considering most are 2km.

But the fact that there are, however, multiple reapers of the same type does suggest that bioware did intend for there to be, at least, some reapers that look the same, much like we see in ME3. The fact that this reaper type circled appears as well in ME3 as a hologram in theN7  cerberus lab mission only further proves that this reaper varient was not retconned.

As for the human reaper and the reaper core, in an earlier post i displayed the core of the Derilict Reaper, whose core looked much like a different species. I beleive that the Human Reaper was always intented to be the "core" of a reaper, and not a full reaper itself. Afterall, looking at that ME2 cutscene clip, how many reapers there look completely alien and don't look like they have cuttlefish like shells?

Modifié par Barnzy, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Garrus is my Shepard]

 Didn't Patrick Weekes once say (I think in a fan interview at PAX) that originally the suicide mission was supposed to show all the stages of a Reaper construction, from the core to cuttlefish shell, but it was cut for time?

Modifié par Garrus is my Shepard, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[corkey sweet]

iSousek wrote...

They were created in their image. That is the outside. But the "essence" of every Reaper is of the harvested species. That is the inside.

i think he is asking why the reaper looked like a human and not a Leviathan. which is a legit question. Since in Leviathan it says all reapers are created in the image of Harbinger.

[Garrus is my Shepard]

Double post, sorry

Modifié par Garrus is my Shepard, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Barnzy]

corkey sweet wrote...

iSousek wrote...

They were created in their image. That is the outside. But the "essence" of every Reaper is of the harvested species. That is the inside.

i think he is asking why the reaper looked like a human and not a Leviathan. which is a legit question. Since in Leviathan it says all reapers are created in the image of Harbinger.

Thats already been answered, that human reaper was to be "core" for a capital ship reaper. Mac Walters has confirmed this:
www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/21/mass-effect-a-q-amp-a-for-hardcore-fans.aspx

Modifié par Barnzy, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Garrus is my Shepard]

corkey sweet wrote...

iSousek wrote...

They were created in their image. That is the outside. But the "essence" of every Reaper is of the harvested species. That is the inside.

i think he is asking why the reaper looked like a human and not a Leviathan. which is a legit question. Since in Leviathan it says all reapers are created in the image of Harbinger.

The core of the Reapers is based on the form of the species used to create it, the shell of the Reapers uses the form of the Leviathans.