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[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

[Snoopy1955]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

As opposed to actually making Shepard commit suicide by taking any of the other choices.

You're funny.

[JimTasty]

If people wanna stick with their morals thats fine but at the cost of the whole galaxy? No thanks. What did Javik say again about losing your honor in war?

[D24O]

The point of refuse, as I see it, is for the galaxy to win on its own merits, rather than on some machine and through the proxy of the Catalyst. Also its a nice, dying on ones feet moment, I like those kinds of things, so it does appeal to me that way (But its not my canon choice.)

I die free is what TVtropes calls it, and Shep says that word for word. I'm accually pretty partial to this, so there's that.

Modifié par D24O, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[Tommyspa]

The refuse option is fine for those who want it. I personally cannot comprehend someone choosing to not use the crucible based on what they interpret the catalyst as. If your going to die, could you at least die for someone else's future?

[JimTasty]

D24O wrote...

The point of refuse, as I see it, is for the galaxy to win on its own merits, rather than on some machine and through the proxy of the Catalyst. Also its a nice, dying on ones feet moment, I like those kinds of things, so it does appeal to me that way (But its not my canon choice.)

Except you dont see them try to win. You just see Shepard standing and limping...

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

As opposed to actually making Shepard commit suicide by taking any of the other choices.

You're funny.

It isn't all about Shepard. By using the ****ty Starchild you free your cycle. Otherwise you just bring burden to another cycle.

High EMS Destroy, look it up.

[Texhnolyze101]

Tommyspa wrote...

The refuse option is fine for those who want it. I personally cannot comprehend someone choosing to not use the crucible based on what they interpret the catalyst as. If your going to die, could you at least die for someone else's future?

By picking refuse you do die for someone else s future as the next cycle destroys the reapers

[D24O]

JimTasty wrote...

D24O wrote...

The point of refuse, as I see it, is for the galaxy to win on its own merits, rather than on some machine and through the proxy of the Catalyst. Also its a nice, dying on ones feet moment, I like those kinds of things, so it does appeal to me that way (But its not my canon choice.)

Except you dont see them try to win. You just see Shepard standing and limping...

Which is f***ing b******* IMO. I understand resource constraints and all, but in a perfect world, we would've gotten something like the Lone Wolf level in Halo:Reach, or at least Shep getting overwhelmed by reaper forces. But what can you do, too late for that I suppose.

[Baa Baa]

Because the soul of Mel Gibson possesses Shepard and he gives a great Braveheart speech. If it wasn't for that nobody would care.
And oh, "Beneath this mask there is more than flesh, there is an idea. And ideas are bulletproof." Basically that mentality which is pretty badass.

[JimTasty]

D24O wrote...

JimTasty wrote...

D24O wrote...

The point of refuse, as I see it, is for the galaxy to win on its own merits, rather than on some machine and through the proxy of the Catalyst. Also its a nice, dying on ones feet moment, I like those kinds of things, so it does appeal to me that way (But its not my canon choice.)

Except you dont see them try to win. You just see Shepard standing and limping...

Which is f***ing b******* IMO. I understand resource constraints and all, but in a perfect world, we would've gotten something like the Lone Wolf level in Halo:Reach, or at least Shep getting overwhelmed by reaper forces. But what can you do, too late for that I suppose.

haha hell yeah man the Lone Wolf level was epic. I wish they wouldve showed cutscenes of Sword Fleet trying to defeat the Reapers and failing... at least that wouldn't have been so bad.

[D24O]

JimTasty wrote...

haha hell yeah man the Lone Wolf level was epic. I wish they wouldve showed cutscenes of Sword Fleet trying to defeat the Reapers and failing... at least that wouldn't have been so bad.

Yeah, I love stories like that, little moments of defiance. Would've been "preferred" ending TBH if it had a little more meat to it. I like the concept, not the result and execution.

[Texhnolyze101]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

By picking refuse you save the next cycle as they destroy the reapers plus after watching the leviathan dlc on youtube refuse also seals the fate of those guys because they are a very real threat and when you add the leviathans being killed to this lessens the burdens on the next cycle as they won't have to worry about being mind controlled after they destroy the reapers.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[Ticonderoga117]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

High EMS Destroy, look it up.

Except that doesn't show anything but a single lousy breath. Huzzah for vagueness! Heaven forbid you show him getting out of the rubble or something. But no, leave it completely vague. However, going on author's intent with Shepard committing suicide, I bet he dies five minutes later since every ship that could help LEFT.

[Jadebaby]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

Why? I'll tell you why...



Because hitting the "renegade" spot twice in this conversation leads to one of Shepard's best speeches of the entire trilogy!

[Thaa_solon]

It was either

Destroy

Control

Synthesis

but I choose refuse

Modifié par Thaa_solon, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:36 .

[Baa Baa]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

Why? I'll tell you why...



Because hitting the "renegade" spot twice in this conversation leads to one of Shepard's best speeches of the entire trilogy!

I think it's just his best speech, no contest.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

High EMS Destroy, look it up.

Except that doesn't show anything but a single lousy breath. Huzzah for vagueness! Heaven forbid you show him getting out of the rubble or something. But no, leave it completely vague. However, going on author's intent with Shepard committing suicide, I bet he dies five minutes later since every ship that could help LEFT.

Then why was that scene there? To give fans hope that Shep is still alive.

"LOLOLOLOL LETS PUTT IT IN 4 DE LULZ!!!!1!1111!1!!1!"
No.

[Ticonderoga117]

Baa Baa wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

I've seen some people supporting the Refuse option. Why? That's pretty much making Shepard commit suicide. Bioware shouldn't of made the Refuse option. It just wasted resources. The only reason why Refuse might be a good option is if you can defeat the Reaper conventionally.

Why? I'll tell you why...
Because hitting the "renegade" spot twice in this conversation leads to one of Shepard's best speeches of the entire trilogy!

I think it's just his best speech, no contest.

I honestly think the paragon speech to the crew before the beam rush was rather good. I was pumped and ready to kill the Reapers, be "big goddamn heroes", and save the galaxy. But no...

[Hudathan]

It's a choice, you don't have to take it if you don't agree with it. If it makes some people happy then more power to them.

[Texhnolyze101]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

High EMS Destroy, look it up.

Except that doesn't show anything but a single lousy breath. Huzzah for vagueness! Heaven forbid you show him getting out of the rubble or something. But no, leave it completely vague. However, going on author's intent with Shepard committing suicide, I bet he dies five minutes later since every ship that could help LEFT.

Then why was that scene there? To give fans hope that Shep is still alive.

"LOLOLOLOL LETS PUTT IT IN 4 DE LULZ!!!!1!1111!1!!1!"
No.

If that scene was meant to give hope then it failed.

[Quething]

Tommyspa wrote...

The refuse option is fine for those who want it. I personally cannot comprehend someone choosing to not use the crucible based on what they interpret the catalyst as. If your going to die, could you at least die for someone else's future?

Who says you're going to die?

Hackett, who misunderstands the Reapers so badly he thinks they're going to leave the yahg alone this cycle?

That defeatist AI you pulled off Thessia whose response to enemy contact is to clam up so only the enemy can get the information it holds?

The creepy evil Reaper overlord that's lying to your face while wearing the skin of one of its own victims?

You'll generally find a strong, though not absolute, corellation between people who choose Refuse and people who don't buy into the authorial fiat that Only The Crucible Can Save Us.

The speech is awesome too, of course. But for me it comes down to the basic fact that you can't call it suicide or failure or ~sacrificing an entire galaxy for your principles~ if Shep doesn't actually believe that she's going to lose or die.

Sure it's a gamble, but no bigger than throwing yourself into a pillar of superheated plasma on the advice of a lying omnicidal paperclip maximiser.

Modifié par Quething, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[D24O]

Hudathan wrote...

It's a choice, you don't have to take it if you don't agree with it. If it makes some people happy then more power to them.

This, for every choice.