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Dragoonlordz wrote...

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Nothing against the innocent people working there, but that's Capitalism. Risk and reward. If your company goes under, then you lose the job. It's sad, but that's how capitalism is. 


You just said it would make you very, very happy.  Don't be insincere.


It would make me happy to see EA itself fall, or at the very least it's policies. If it breakes up into individual companies, then I'm fine with that. 


Your not kidding anyone in here. What you said was very straight forward and you have no room to maneuver on this..


Yes I do. I am fine with the company that is EA being dismantled. If you don't think that other gaming companies like Activision or 2K or Microsoft will buy up the assetts and people that they can use, then you can't see it. There will always be competition and someone to pick up the pieces of a fallen competitior. That's how the industry has worked for a while. 

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Yes I do. I am fine with the company that is EA being dismantled. If you don't think that other gaming companies like Activision or 2K or Microsoft will buy up the assetts and people that they can use, then you can't see it. There will always be competition. 


I'm just going to file this whole thing under "displays of character (pathetic, mean spirited)" and move on.

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Yes I do. I am fine with the company that is EA being dismantled. If you don't think that other gaming companies like Activision or 2K or Microsoft will buy up the assetts and people that they can use, then you can't see it. There will always be competition. 


I'm just going to file this whole thing under "displays of character (pathetic, mean spirited)" and move on.


You act like it's never happened before. I see plety of people who used to be a part of other companies (some failed, some not) in new places. For example, in 343i, they have a few people from across the gaming industry (such as EA and Infinity Ward).  A company failing does not mean complete destruction.

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ld1449 wrote...

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Nice to see everyone blindly giving EA money again.

I sometimes do really hate society


Their stocks are still dropping like bricks so I don't know what you're concerned about. Rumors abound that they're looking for someone to buy them off or are trying to get out of being a publically shared company so believe me, a ****storms abrewin.


I hope this is true. I really do. Seeing EA fall would make me so happy... so very happy. :o


Thousands of people will lose jobs. Good franchises like Dead Space and Mass Effect may not be salvageable. Other game publishers will have less competition.

How is this a good thing for anyone? 


Lol. What competition are you talking about:lol:

EA made battlefield three to compete with CoD, BF3 sold 5 million coppies, the latest CoD sold somewhere around 8.6 million, all but blowing BF3 out of the water.

The most expensive game ever made *ever* by any company, the so called "WoW Killer" has gone free to play in less than a year and is loosing subscribers to Guild Wars 2

Mass Effect 3 HAH lets not even go there

DA2 Again, not even bothering.

What was the other game they came up with recently. War in the North? That blip in the radar that barely sold enough to break even? If even that?

The only thing they've "done" which they didn't even do they just published, that was successful was KoA which sold 3 mil or so when it needed 5.8 to break even.

Face it, all EA has to keep it afloat are its sport issues and it has a monopoly on those so they're not even really "competing" with anybody.

EA going under, with their stocks falling doesn't necesarilly mean a torch and burn collapse. If other companies buy it out and their IP's piece meal, that to me is a very good buisness venture. Activision can take the sports issues, CD projekt can take Dragon age, Valve MIGHT pick up whatever's left of the ME franchise, and others can pick out the LotR contracts and some of the low budget independent ideas EA has to make them shine rather than have them dumbed down by this retarded company that thinks everything needs multiplayer.

EA's stocks are a joke, their reputation is so bad they make other bad companies look GOOD by comparison *cough cough activision cough* Bioware has become the biggest laughing stock in the western game developer industry seen since ATARI and that ET game, with every single development studio, even non RPG makers taking potshots at them. Blizzard even made a parody app game based on ME3 (Multiple endings COLOR CODED FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE!!! B))

If EA goes under they really have no one to blame but themslves and this bullrushing idea that they seem to have that if they just PUSH something enough the public that doesn't like the idea in the first place will LOVE what they're doing.


A lot of your post was really opinionated.

I'm also failing to see how anything you said addresses my post. A company going down never ends well for anyone. Like I said thousands of people will lose their jobs and there would be one less major publisher in the gaming industry. If you understand economics then you can easily see why the hell less competition would be bad for a capitalistic industry.

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I personally do have a job. And I know that if in my job I ever ****ed up on this scale, I'd be quickly OUT of a job. To not see any visible reprecussions, not even a proverbial slap on the wrist is all the more infuriating.


If you consider Mass Effect 3 to be a fireable offence I'd love to see the work you're proud of.  What is it you routinely produce in your job that's so amazing, then?


Oh noes, I retreat, chastised and beaten by your infallible logic.

Please.  I'm not a so called "artist" but any retard who's taken fifth grade english can see the flaws in Mass Effect 3 ten miles away with the sun in their eyes. And this isn't just referring to the ending.

Even if you look away from the "integrity" of the game itself, this whole situation reeks of stupidity and incompetence on several levels.

The sheer fury these endings caused in a group of people which are statistically and factually known to never take an organized stand on anything to spawn no less than *five* internet organisations, raise 80 thousand dollars in less than a week form no less than a recorded twelve leter writing campaigns, two artwork campaigns and multiple forms of protest for months on end would already get someone in trouble.

The PR's complete failure to molify and even their ability to enrage the consumer base with half their statements at times would have gotten even more people in hot water.

The complete list of pre release statements that got the UK's largest retailer, and one of the leading internet retailers of the entire free world to offer complete refunds on the product due to it "not being as advertised"

getting a consumer to actually have basis to complain to the FTC that the product was not as advertised, and enough grounds for the Beter Buisness Beurou to say that it was indeed falsely advertised.

These are all things that in any job would have gotten SOMEONE if not MANY people fired.

But if I'm wrong by all means tell me why mr. "Freelance buisness analyst"

Or did all these points go under your notice during your "analisis"?

Because in any buisness a ****storm that lasts for months on end has reprecussions. And I don't need a buisness degree or a law degree (which I have) to know that. Its just common ****ing sense.

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Given just how damn vague and broad its definition is, "art" doesn't carry any real merit. A literal piece of excrement can be considered art. Anyway, Mass Effect 3 would be commissioned art, which is subject to the consumer. BTW Id1449, I think your figures are a bit obscured, Black Ops alone blew BF3 out of the water, it sold over 25 million copies, I think BF3 has only sold 8 million copies by now. Premium was a failiure, only eliciting about a million subscriptions. So on; EA is failing and it's failing hard. Its last move is to turn Frostbite games into Call of Duty.

I like to think of the whole ME3 fiasco like this: Bioware are a sculptor and the fanbase is a wealthy noble. The noble hires the sculptor, paying them in advance, to create and ship a sculpture to their home. When the sculpture arrives, and the noble looks at it, they find the face hideous. The almost everyone would agree that the face is hideous. The noble complains to the artist that they face was done horribly, the artist replies "No problem, I'll fix it." After a few weeks, the artist sends back the sculpture to the noble. The nose has been perfected, it's quite the lovely nose, but the rest of the face is still ugly. The noble continues to complain to the artist, but now the artist replies "Sorry, that's the best I can do for you, I won't compromise my integrity." The noble has every right to still be upset and make demands, just because the artist conceded one thing doesn't mean they're free from deserving all additional criticism. Not only does Bioware's attitude contradict them as "artists", it is antithetical to a sound business model.

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Lol you guys are so cute. Trying to mask your fan rage with economics.

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A lot of your post was really opinionated.

I'm also failing to see how anything you said addresses my post. A company going down never ends well for anyone. Like I said thousands of people will lose their jobs and there would be one less major publisher in the gaming industry. If you understand economics then you can easily see why the hell less competition would be bad for a capitalistic industry.


The only thing in my post that was "opinionated" was ME3, BF3 WAS blown out of the water, The Old republic IS the most expensive game ever made according to many sources and IS going free to play in less than a year, their only work on Kingdom's of Amalur WAS publishing it, War in the North did sell Dismally, DA2 is widely by and large considered a financial failure of a game.

The only thing that is "opinion" is ME3 and who would buy what when they go under.

7500 people going out from EA would be bought by some other company most likely and transfered to another studio shortly. Videogame companies are constantly opening up new studios when they get big breaks/hits in order to keep up the momentum.

And even if they didn't Graphic design is in high demand right now. I don't think they'd be out of a job overly long.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

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How was this a confirmation of Leviathan selling well?


Him saying we don't have to worry is proof enough that at this time we don't have to worry about more DLC. I rather take the word of someone who would know more about it and works on such DLC compared to your assumption at this stage. His word on this situation is of more value to me than your assumption.

:P


Loads of people ****ed at you already for this.
But read what he said again and then read what you said, you will see that what you said is stupid and has nothing to do with sales figures.


I suggest it is you who read what I said again.
Here is some free clarification and closure for you in order to prevent you popping a vein. :wizard:


You said clarification, there was too much bad grammar for that.
His word was that they will probably be making more DLC, hence the "I don't think", it's not definitely.
Questioning the sales is fine.

Him saying what they might do is not proof that the sales were good, fail games can have more than 1 DLC even if the first one fails.

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Given just how damn vague and broad its definition is, "art" doesn't carry any real merit. A literal piece of excrement can be considered art. Anyway, Mass Effect 3 would be commissioned art, which is subject to the consumer. BTW Id1449, I think your figures are a bit obscured, Black Ops alone blew BF3 out of the water, it sold over 25 million copies, I think BF3 has only sold 8 million copies by now. Premium was a failiure, only eliciting about a million subscriptions. So on; EA is failing and it's failing hard. Its last move is to turn Frostbite games into Call of Duty.

I like to think of the whole ME3 fiasco like this: Bioware are a sculptor and the fanbase is a wealthy noble. The noble hires the sculptor, paying them in advance, to create and ship a sculpture to their home. When the sculpture arrives, and the noble looks at it, they find the face hideous. The almost everyone would agree that the face is hideous. The noble complains to the artist that they face was done horribly, the artist replies "No problem, I'll fix it." After a few weeks, the artist sends back the sculpture to the noble. The nose has been perfected, it's quite the lovely nose, but the rest of the face is still ugly. The noble continues to complain to the artist, but now the artist replies "Sorry, that's the best I can do for you, I won't compromise my integrity." The noble has every right to still be upset and make demands, just because the artist conceded one thing doesn't mean they're free from deserving all additional criticism. Not only does Bioware's attitude contradict them as "artists", it is antithetical to a sound business model.


I was just talking about the first weeks sales. I think Blackops took two weeks to get to 25k

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MegaSovereign wrote...

Lol you guys are so cute. Trying to mask your fan rage with economics.


Like I said before, my hate for EA extends far back than Mass Effect. Mass Effect is just the recent debacle that I am disappointed with. 

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First week sales, yeah, even then BF3 looked pretty bad. Funny enough, EA was going with the whole "CoD killer that's gonna dethrone Activision". Yet after their game sold [expectedly] significantly lower than CoD EA subsided their attitude and switched to "Oh yeah, you know, all in good fun. Clap Clap, Activision, that was some good, healthy competition."

So much for those CoD smear campaigns.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

First week sales, yeah, even then BF3 looked pretty bad. Funny enough, EA was going with the whole "CoD killer that's gonna dethrone Activision". Yet after their game sold [expectedly] significantly lower than CoD EA subsided their attitude and switched to "Oh yeah, you know, all in good fun. Clap Clap, Activision, that was some good, healthy competition."

So much for those CoD smear campaigns.


Even though i don't like it, CoD is a hard franchise steal gamers from. It just wasn't going to happen. 

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A lot of your post was really opinionated.

I'm also failing to see how anything you said addresses my post. A company going down never ends well for anyone. Like I said thousands of people will lose their jobs and there would be one less major publisher in the gaming industry. If you understand economics then you can easily see why the hell less competition would be bad for a capitalistic industry.


The only thing in my post that was "opinionated" was ME3, BF3 WAS blown out of the water, The Old republic IS the most expensive game ever made according to many sources and IS going free to play in less than a year, their only work on Kingdom's of Amalur WAS publishing it, War in the North did sell Dismally, DA2 is widely by and large considered a financial failure of a game.

The only thing that is "opinion" is ME3 and who would buy what when they go under.

7500 people going out from EA would be bought by some other company most likely and transfered to another studio shortly. Videogame companies are constantly opening up new studios when they get big breaks/hits in order to keep up the momentum.

And even if they didn't Graphic design is in high demand right now. I don't think they'd be out of a job overly long.


You're just saying "oh it won't be so bad for them, they'll get new jobs eventually."

That's still crap dude. My point is that it'll be nothing but bad news for those folks to get fired. This is true for any field. EA is bad but most of the other big publishers are as well. The only thing keeping them remotely in check is the fact that they are in competition with each other......

You can cherry pick and make it not sound so bad but the fact is this: hoping that EA will go down is drawn from nothing more than fan rage.

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good thing for them. as long as there are enough sheeps to pay for that..so be it.

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good thing for them. as long as there are enough sheeps to pay for that..so be it.


Grow up. It's a videogame. Calling people sheep for buying something they like is nothing short of retarded.

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Please.  I'm not a so called "artist" but any retard who's taken fifth grade english can see the flaws in Mass Effect 3 ten miles away with the sun in their eyes. And this isn't just referring to the ending.

Even if you look away from the "integrity" of the game itself, this whole situation reeks of stupidity and incompetence on several levels.


Okay.  You didn't like the ending; that's fine.  It's a story, appreciation of it is bound to be subjective.  You shouldn't characterise those who don't share your subjective opinions as "retards", though.  It makes you look really stupid.

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(snip list of complaints)

These are all things that in any job would have gotten SOMEONE if not MANY people fired.

But if I'm wrong by all means tell me why mr. "Freelance buisness analyst"


Sure.  Firing people is generally considered an absolute last resort.  Not only because you're taking someone's livelihood away, which is something no human being should do casually, but also because hiring is expensive, time consuming and disrupts organisational continuity.  In nearly all cases it is more efficient to train and protect the existing talent.

Now, your main instinct when confronted with a set of PR challenges like the ones you listed may indeed be "fire MANY people".  I respectfully suggest that this is why you're not getting promoted to management any time soon.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I like to think of the whole ME3 fiasco like this: Bioware are a sculptor and the fanbase is a wealthy noble. The noble hires the sculptor, paying them in advance, to create and ship a sculpture to their home. When the sculpture arrives, and the noble looks at it, they find the face hideous. The almost everyone would agree that the face is hideous. The noble complains to the artist that they face was done horribly, the artist replies "No problem, I'll fix it." After a few weeks, the artist sends back the sculpture to the noble. The nose has been perfected, it's quite the lovely nose, but the rest of the face is still ugly. The noble continues to complain to the artist, but now the artist replies "Sorry, that's the best I can do for you, I won't compromise my integrity." The noble has every right to still be upset and make demands, just because the artist conceded one thing doesn't mean they're free from deserving all additional criticism. Not only does Bioware's attitude contradict them as "artists", it is antithetical to a sound business model.


It's hardly a sound business model to work indefinitely without recompense until the client pronounces your work artistically satisfying.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I like to think of the whole ME3 fiasco like this: Bioware are a sculptor and the fanbase is a wealthy noble. The noble hires the sculptor, paying them in advance, to create and ship a sculpture to their home. When the sculpture arrives, and the noble looks at it, they find the face hideous. The almost everyone would agree that the face is hideous. The noble complains to the artist that they face was done horribly, the artist replies "No problem, I'll fix it." After a few weeks, the artist sends back the sculpture to the noble. The nose has been perfected, it's quite the lovely nose, but the rest of the face is still ugly. The noble continues to complain to the artist, but now the artist replies "Sorry, that's the best I can do for you, I won't compromise my integrity." The noble has every right to still be upset and make demands, just because the artist conceded one thing doesn't mean they're free from deserving all additional criticism. Not only does Bioware's attitude contradict them as "artists", it is antithetical to a sound business model.


It's hardly a sound business concede one thing and then shove the issue under the rug entirely.


Fixed.

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Fixed.


When you're putting words in my mouth, will you please at least use proper grammar?

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Please.  I'm not a so called "artist" but any retard who's taken fifth grade english can see the flaws in Mass Effect 3 ten miles away with the sun in their eyes. And this isn't just referring to the ending.

Even if you look away from the "integrity" of the game itself, this whole situation reeks of stupidity and incompetence on several levels.


Okay.  You didn't like the ending; that's fine.  It's a story, appreciation of it is bound to be subjective.  You shouldn't characterise those who don't share your subjective opinions as "retards", though.  It makes you look really stupid.

ld1449 wrote...
(snip list of complaints)

These are all things that in any job would have gotten SOMEONE if not MANY people fired.

But if I'm wrong by all means tell me why mr. "Freelance buisness analyst"


Sure.  Firing people is generally considered an absolute last resort.  Not only because you're taking someone's livelihood away, which is something no human being should do casually, but also because hiring is expensive, time consuming and disrupts organisational continuity.  In nearly all cases it is more efficient to train and protect the existing talent.

Now, your main instinct when confronted with a set of PR challenges like the ones you listed may indeed be "fire MANY people".  I respectfully suggest that this is why you're not getting promoted to management any time soon.


Right, it would disrupt the continuity of a project that's already largely finished.

I have to wonder if your "buisness analysis" extends past small buisness.

Bioware is a company, they hire people frequently, writers practically walk in and out so to speak. Drew up and left ME to work on TOR and then left that half way to work on his novels. This is not a monkey wrench thrown in the gears when someone goes missing.

EA hires even more frequently and assigns them to projects. I highly doubt that its as big a hassle to hire people when you tend to do it every other month.

Furthermore, enjoyment of a piece of writing is subjective. But every piece of writing has flaws. People who like it generally tend to say something "Its this and this and this, it fails at this BUT I like it."

They can awknowledge its flaws.

For you to come up and ask me in the most blase manner "What flaw does Mass effect 3 have thats so bad it should have reprecussions" I'll answer you as befiting the impression you've given.

Mass effect three largely broke, ignored and or otherwise perverted several rules of writing. To the point that other writers from TV shows and other videogames and even fully published novelists have gone on record to point out have pointed it out, one of them even asking "How in the world this this even get past the QnA???

Now, on a company that prides itself on its extensive, well thought out and strong narrative driven games, having several other authors calling in your literary competence on a variety of points tends to hurt your reputation.

THIS is the kind of **** up I could agree that it wouldn't be that big a deal to fire someone over, and better to teach him for next time.

But everything else? Literally dragging your hard earned clout and prestige, built up for nearly twenty years of development through the proverbial mud?

Yeah. In my world that tends to carry some harsh words, harsh reprecussions and a boot out the door

And when last I looked, a job requiring a law degree doesn't put in "managers" I'll leave that for the temps mr."buisness analyst"

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Right, it would disrupt the continuity of a project that's already largely finished.

I have to wonder if your "buisness analysis" extends past small buisness.

Bioware is a company, they hire people frequently, writers practically walk in and out so to speak. Drew up and left ME to work on TOR and then left that half way to work on his novels. This is not a monkey wrench thrown in the gears when someone goes missing.

EA hires even more frequently and assigns them to projects. I highly doubt that its as big a hassle to hire people when you tend to do it every other month.

Furthermore, enjoyment of a piece of writing is subjective. But every piece of writing has flaws. People who like it generally tend to say something "Its this and this and this, it fails at this BUT I like it."

They can awknowledge its flaws.

For you to come up and ask me in the most blase manner "What flaw does Mass effect 3 have thats so bad it should have reprecussions" I'll answer you as befiting the impression you've given.

Mass effect three largely broke, ignored and or otherwise perverted several rules of writing. To the point that other writers from TV shows and other videogames and even fully published novelists have gone on record to point out have pointed it out, one of them even asking "How in the world this this even get past the QnA???

Now, on a company that prides itself on its extensive, well thought out and strong narrative driven games, having several other authors calling in your literary competence on a variety of points tends to hurt your reputation.

THIS is the kind of **** up I could agree that it wouldn't be that big a deal to fire someone over, and better to teach him for next time.

But everything else? Literally dragging your hard earned clout and prestige, built up for nearly twenty years of development through the proverbial mud?

Yeah. In my world that tends to carry some harsh words, harsh reprecussions and a boot out the door

And when last I looked paralegals didn't have "managers" I'll leave that for the temps mr."buisness analyst"


Careful grandpa, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

Regardless of whether you think ME3 writing is bad the reality is if EA fails and thousands lose their jobs, to say you would be happy about that I am sorry to say you come across as a jerk. Thousands of people did not write ME3, thousands of people did not write PR statements the ones you dislike and thousands of people did not do all the other little things you are being melodramatic over.

Now you can try to sugar coat your answers and try to explain away your reasoning but none of it makes any difference. You have no basis to assume all those thousands will find jobs and you have no grasp on reality if you think there are vast amounts of jobs in the gaming industry right now. You simply do not like EA so quite simply said along with green that you hope they go under and would make you very happy if did so which means loss of thousands of jobs merely because you dislike some peoples actions in that company.

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Careful grandpa, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

Regardless of whether you think ME3 writing is bad the reality is if EA fails and thousands lose their jobs, to say you would be happy about that I am sorry to say you come across as a jerk. Thousands of people did not write ME3, thousands of people did not write PR statements the ones you dislike and thousands of people did not do all the other little things you are being melodramatic over.



You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I actually give a rats ass what you people think about me.

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Right, it would disrupt the continuity of a project that's already largely finished.


Well, I don't have insight into the makeup of the project teams.  But I do have a friend who works for EA Guildford and has done for several years across several projects, so I sincerely doubt the chop-and-change thing is as routine as you think it is.

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I have to wonder if your "buisness analysis" extends past small buisness.


It does, big companies try to retain their talent too, and also business really isn't spelled like that.

ld1449 wrote...
THIS is the kind of **** up I could agree that it wouldn't be that big a deal to fire someone over, and better to teach him for next time.

But everything else? Literally dragging your hard earned clout and prestige, built up for nearly twenty years of development through the proverbial mud?

Yeah. In my world that tends to carry some harsh words, harsh reprecussions and a boot out the door


In your world people are fired for literally dragging things through proverbial mud?  How does one access this world?  Is it something to do with mescaline?

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And when last I looked paralegals didn't have "managers" I'll leave that for the temps mr."buisness analyst"


Okay, "Mr Paralegal".  Wow, that was really easy and fun!

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You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I actually give a rats ass what you people think about me.


You must care else why would you be arguing with everyone regarding what they think about what you said...

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