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[Jenonax]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm MegaSovereign.

And this thread is now mine for the taking.

Oh yeah?  Well you'll have to get through the power of MY AXE!

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm MegaSovereign.

And this thread is now mine for the taking.

You're just a machine, and machines can be broken.

I'm an upgraded machine.

[Humakt83]

Catalyst is Diabolux Ex Machina, put there to deviate Shepard from the rightful path.

[MegaSovereign]

Humakt83 wrote...

Catalyst is Diabolux Ex Machina, put there to deviate Shepard from the rightful path.

But he gives him the path to Destroy. Literally....

[Jenonax]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Catalyst is Diabolux Ex Machina, put there to deviate Shepard from the rightful path.

But he gives him the path to Destroy. Literally....

Which really ain't that great if you consider that your good friends the Geth and EDI are unceremoniously exploded for their help.

[MegaSovereign]

Jenonax wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Catalyst is Diabolux Ex Machina, put there to deviate Shepard from the rightful path.

But he gives him the path to Destroy. Literally....

Which really ain't that great if you consider that your good friends the Geth and EDI are unceremoniously exploded for their help.

Life's a b*tch isn't it? 

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm MegaSovereign.

And this thread is now mine for the taking.

You're just a machine, and machines can be broken.

I'm an upgraded machine.

Well I uprgraded the Tube o'Destruction, so there.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...
Life's a b*tch isn't it? 

Which is why I use videogames and works of fiction as escapism...oh wait <_<

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
Life's a b*tch isn't it? 

Which is why I use videogames and works of fiction as escapism...oh wait <_<

There is no escape, only the harvest.

[Joe Del Toro]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Catalyst is Diabolux Ex Machina, put there to deviate Shepard from the rightful path.

But he gives him the path to Destroy. Literally....

Which really ain't that great if you consider that your good friends the Geth and EDI are unceremoniously exploded for their help.

Life's a b*tch isn't it? 

And then you splode.

[Jenonax]

Joe Del Toro wrote...


And then you splode.

YAY!

[Gogzilla]

txgoldrush wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

lol what

The Crucible is the definition of the term Deus Ex Machina

Wrong

Liara finds it through her expertise and dedication, logically.

Its a Silily plot device seperate from what we know from the last two games.

Its a Deus Ex Machina

The Starchild and chocies , maybe less so.

[MegaSovereign]

Who cares what they're called?

It wouldn't change anyone's opinions about them.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[txgoldrush]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I'm surprised people have such an issue with it being / or not being a deus ex machina. There is nothing wrong with a deus ex machina, its perfectly legitmate story telling and has been used successfully for many stories.

Sometimes it works really well, sometimes it doesn't.

Eh no.

A DEM is by definition something that it is undesirable. It's an inherently negative label. 

WRONG

Deus Ex Machinas can be great given the right director and writer.

War of the Worlds and Raiders of the Lost Ark had well executed DEM. How can you say that the ****s opening the ark wasn't well done?

Gaming examples.

The defeat of Gigyas in Earthbound is a fourth wall breaking DEM. And it was completely awesome.

Celes finding a seagull with Locke's bandanna restoring her hope in FFVI is another example of good DEM. The seagull true nature is open for interpetation.

[DashRunner92]

I don't think you are quite grasping what a Deus Ex Machina quite is. It's not just the fact that their is suddenly a weapon like the Crucible, it's also the mechanics of it. How exactly does a magic pulse suddenly fuse all organic and synthetic life? We also find out that the mass effect relays were built after a certain number of harvest cycles. So what would of happened if the crucible was activated then when there were no relays for the pulse to resonate through? Or why the starchild decided to even allow the crucible to be built in the first place if he was so sure that the Reapers were the final solution?

[txgoldrush]

Gogzilla wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

lol what

The Crucible is the definition of the term Deus Ex Machina

Wrong

Liara finds it through her expertise and dedication, logically.

Its a Silily plot device seperate from what we know from the last two games.

Its a Deus Ex Machina

The Starchild and chocies , maybe less so.

By your logic, Shepards rebirth in ME2 is also a DEM, its contrived and comes out of nowhere.

Sorry but the Crucible was introduced logically.

And Homeworlds #4

http://masseffect.wi...ect:_Homeworlds

[txgoldrush]

Gemini1179 wrote...

At the end of ME2, you were still in the same place in terms of plot as you were at the end of ME1:

The Reapers are coming and we don't have a f**king clue on how we are going to stop them.

The second important lore part of this is that what was found on Mars was "a small data cache".

This is what we had going into ME3. Suddenly, there is a whole "Mars Archives" (which breaks every Citadel convention and begs the question as to why the Alliance told the Council about the beacon in ME1 if they were already hoarding the Mars Archives illegally) and Liara has stumbled upon plans for a device to stop the Reapers.

The Crucible is sort of both a mcguffin and a DEM in it's connection to the Catalyst.

Doesn't really matter because the whole thing is just really bad storytelling.

Wrong

Once again, the Alliance NEVER had access to the lower archives...and Liara doesn't "stumble" on the Crucible. She narrrows her search to Mars.

[Jenonax]

txgoldrush wrote...


A DEM is by definition something that it is undesirable. It's an inherently negative label. 




WRONG

Deus Ex Machinas can be great given the right director and writer.

War of the Worlds and Raiders of the Lost Ark had well executed DEM. How can you say that the ****s opening the ark wasn't well done?

Gaming examples.

The defeat of Gigyas in Earthbound is a fourth wall breaking DEM. And it was completely awesome.

Celes finding a seagull with Locke's bandanna restoring her hope in FFVI is another example of good DEM. The seagull true nature is open for interpetation.

Actually Night Mammoth is completely correct.

A DEM is the pinacle of bad writing.  Signifying that a writer has lost control and no longer has written a story that is capable of having a logical conclusion and must therefore rely on a magic trick.

Are you reffering to to the fact that the aliens are defeated through becoming sick through microorganisms at the end of War of the Worlds?  Because then you are mistaken as that was foreshadowed very early on through the narrator himself stating along the lines of 'the aliens had irradicated all disease on their planet' or something along those lines.  Basic science deduces that their immune systems would be weak and therefore doomed.  Not a DEM, im afraid.

Also the fact is that the ark is clearly set up as evil just that we don't know whats in it.

Can't recall that bit of FFVI so can't comment.

Modifié par Jenonax, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[txgoldrush]

Sion1138 wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

The problem is me? They sell me an incomplete story that leaves me baffled and confused and then they want to tell me what actually happened, but it's 10$? 

Why do you support this crap? They are doing this on purpose to bleed you of as much money as possible and you like it? Soon enough we will actually see authors selling incomplete books, taking things out so they can sell them later.

It's like if to read Harry Potter you needed to buy the Quidditch Rule Book.
But the rule book will just come out a few months later and you have to pay for it. 

Oh, and its just 5 pages for 8€.

It's what I'm saying. How did things change so drastically in such a short time? 

I want things to go back to the way they were in the "old" days. Tell the complete story, then make expansions.

Come on, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of The Old, Jade Empire, Dragon Age... These are some of the best games I've ever played. Go back to doing what you do best.

Or don't... Whatever. <_<

Neverwinter Night's story sucked.

Jade Empire has some pretty bad DEM and contrivance, with a morality system that falls flat on its face.

KOTOR II is much better written than KOTOR I.

DAO is Bioware's laziest story.

[txgoldrush]

Jenonax wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


A DEM is by definition something that it is undesirable. It's an inherently negative label. 




WRONG

Deus Ex Machinas can be great given the right director and writer.

War of the Worlds and Raiders of the Lost Ark had well executed DEM. How can you say that the ****s opening the ark wasn't well done?

Gaming examples.

The defeat of Gigyas in Earthbound is a fourth wall breaking DEM. And it was completely awesome.

Celes finding a seagull with Locke's bandanna restoring her hope in FFVI is another example of good DEM. The seagull true nature is open for interpetation.

Actually Night Mammoth is completely correct.

A DEM is the pinacle of bad writing.  Signifying that a writer has lost control and no longer has written a story that is capable of having a logical conclusion and must therefore rely on a magic trick.

Are you reffering to to the fact that the aliens are defeated through becoming sick through microorganisms at the end of War of the Worlds?  Because then you are mistaken as that was foreshadowed very early on through the narrator himself stating along the lines of 'the aliens had irradicated all disease on their planet' or something along those lines.  Basic science deduces that their immune systems would be weak and therefore doomed.  Not a DEM, im afraid.

Also the fact is that the ark is clearly set up as evil just that we don't know whats in it.

Can't recall that bit of FFVI so can't comment.

Wrong

Why is the War of the Worlds labeled as a classic example of a DEM, routinely?

Also literary classic, Lord of the Flies, intentionally uses a DEM at the end.

[DashRunner92]

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I'm surprised people have such an issue with it being / or not being a deus ex machina. There is nothing wrong with a deus ex machina, its perfectly legitmate story telling and has been used successfully for many stories.

Sometimes it works really well, sometimes it doesn't.

Eh no.

A DEM is by definition something that it is undesirable. It's an inherently negative label. 

WRONG

Deus Ex Machinas can be great given the right director and writer.

War of the Worlds and Raiders of the Lost Ark had well executed DEM. How can you say that the ****s opening the ark wasn't well done?

Gaming examples.

The defeat of Gigyas in Earthbound is a fourth wall breaking DEM. And it was completely awesome.

Celes finding a seagull with Locke's bandanna restoring her hope in FFVI is another example of good DEM. The seagull true nature is open for interpetation.

Raiders of the Lost Ark wasn't a DEM. The opening of the ark was implied aready, especially in one of the deleted scenes. War of the Worlds was really a DEM either, it makes perfect sense that an alien's immune system wouldn't be able to handle Earth's bactaria. It was just a clever twist, not even really a twist. Just a solution that no one really thought of. It also can be seen as an allegory of the death of many Native Americans from the diseases that many Europeans brought with them by accident during the discovery of the new world.

[Jenonax]

txgoldrush wrote...


Neverwinter Night's story sucked.

Jade Empire has some pretty bad DEM and contrivance, with a morality system that falls flat on its face.

KOTOR II is much better written than KOTOR I.

DAO is Bioware's laziest story.

Perhaps you would like to explain why you think all of this, instead of simply spouting your opinion off as fact? You know so you can have a conversation about it.  Just saying.

[Joe Del Toro]

txgoldrush wrote...

WRONG

txgoldrush wrote...

Wrong

THONG

A type of underwear that is designed to reveal the buttocks.

BONG

A piece of apparatus used to smoke large amounts of marijuana

DONKEY KONG

His coconut gun can fire in spurts

[DashRunner92]

txgoldrush wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

The problem is me? They sell me an incomplete story that leaves me baffled and confused and then they want to tell me what actually happened, but it's 10$? 

Why do you support this crap? They are doing this on purpose to bleed you of as much money as possible and you like it? Soon enough we will actually see authors selling incomplete books, taking things out so they can sell them later.

It's like if to read Harry Potter you needed to buy the Quidditch Rule Book.
But the rule book will just come out a few months later and you have to pay for it. 

Oh, and its just 5 pages for 8€.

It's what I'm saying. How did things change so drastically in such a short time? 

I want things to go back to the way they were in the "old" days. Tell the complete story, then make expansions.

Come on, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of The Old, Jade Empire, Dragon Age... These are some of the best games I've ever played. Go back to doing what you do best.

Or don't... Whatever. <_<

Neverwinter Night's story sucked.

Jade Empire has some pretty bad DEM and contrivance, with a morality system that falls flat on its face.

KOTOR II is much better written than KOTOR I.

DAO is Bioware's laziest story.

Now you're just trolling. Especially DA:O. I would love to hear how DA:O is a lazier story than DA2.  Especially with all the lore built around DA:O that DA2 decides to pick a tiny piece from and built off of.