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Aren't people supposed to play games for enjoyment and not to feel depressed?


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Ferah84

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Apologies if there's another thread like this (please redirect me if there is).

As I've stated in another thread: http://social.biowar...1922/1#13936151
I didn't really enjoy playing the new Leviathan DLC mainly because it would not have much impact on Shepard's outcome in the end (though I really loved finding out more about the reapers and the whole DLC looked amazing). And it got me thinking more about the purpose of games in general.

If you buy a game, it's likely you want to feel overall enjoyment from it. Though Mass Effect is a strong narrative piece of work as much as it's a game, it is primarily seen and sold as a game, and in my opinion, games are overall meant to be enjoyed (to be played over and over again, especially if you've spent alot of money on them). So why do I feel a little depressed when I "try" to play Mass Effect 3 again? I should "want" to play the game again, not "try" to play the game again. I do want to playthrough the majority of it (there are alot of things to be played through again) but the ending itself kind of kills replay value of the character for me.

If you're like me, you'd like a good balance of gameplay and story (which Mass Effect does for the most part). The ME story itself gave me drive to complete the missions because I wanted to see how it ends. While I respect Bioware's creativity, artistic vision and the choices they made to produce their work, I think the given endings are all too bittersweet and it's the lack of positive outcome for the player's character, that destroys my willingness to re-play my Shepard all the way through (the "refusal" ending in the EC only really adds more to this) :(.

If Mass Effect was purely a movie, I honestly wouldn't have complaint about the ending. But, because I'm playing it as a game, the end of the series felt like a really damp and heavy blanket over whatever enjoyment I had from it. Overall, I just felt zoned out by it and when I try playing Shepard (in new pre-end DLC), It feels as though she's already dead =__= .

How does everyone else feel? Do you still feel enthusiastic about playing ME3 after knowing how it ends?

P.S. Just so you know I'm not trying to kick up a fuss about the endings again. I just want to know if people still enjoy playing their Shepards as they did the first time round Posted Image

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OK I think depressed was the wrong word to use. I wouldn't call myself depressed, I have in fact played through ME3 three times (there is lots of other things worth seeing again, putting the ending aside) but the following is really what I like to take in after playing Mass Effect 3:

Kataphrut94 wrote...

When all is said and done, it's still a pretty uplifting game despite the painfulness of Shepard's final moments. Depending on your choices you can create a bright future for the krogan, save the hanar and drell homeworld from being wiped out, end the war between the geth and quarians peacefully, convince the last remaining Prothean that his life is worth living, share a final moment with Thane on his deathbed, and then gut the bastard responsible like a fish on your omniblade. At the end, you've got the surviving races rebuilding, with the Reapers either destroyed for good, under the control of a benevolent AI or at peace with the newly synthesised galaxy.
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Thanks for putting that in perspective Posted Image

Modifié par Ferah84, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .


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No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.

Modifié par Sion1138, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .


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I truly wish ME2 and ME3 were just like ME1 . Seriously . That's all I'm saying .

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Sion1138 wrote...

No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.



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No... I'm no friend of this whole "art has to be dark and depressing" shtick that everybody and their dog seems to favour lately.

So ME is finished for me.

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Ranger1337 wrote...

I truly wish ME2 and ME3 were just like ME1 . Seriously . That's all I'm saying .


You know what? I thought about it a bit and I think that the reason for this not being so is that after ME1, people went on and on about characters. How they want more characters, more interaction with them and all that.

This is why they molded the story of ME2 around characters rather than the other way around. Making concessions to accommodate the lot of them along the way.

This is why the plot diverged so heavily from the first game and this is why ME3 was left deep in the hole.

I hate this obsession with characters. Tie the interaction into the flow of events, don't mutilate the story just to have more time with Liara or whoever. 

Modifié par Sion1138, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .


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There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:50 .


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Sion1138 wrote...

No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.


I still like ME1 and ME2, but ME3, I just don't feel like playing as much as I did the others.

And I agree as well, if a game manages to make players feel bad, or even utterly confused, then something is wrong.

Its hard to see ME3 be the way it is after the high that was both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, just thinking about how great those games was just makes me want to playthrough each one again. 

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Yeah, 5 years and hundreds of hours and you die at the end or as good as, Its infuriating because most of the game is enjoyable

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ME3 ruined my drive to play the series, again, even for fun, after EC I tried starting new playthroughs but just couldnt continue on after the first few minutes, there was no more enjoyment to be had, the sense of wonder I had when I played the first two games (and when I replayed many times before ME3) was gone, I feel empty every time I contemplate putting the disk in the tray, and like you said OP I think its because I feel like Shep is dead.

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I still keep playing but...

Sion1138 wrote...

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.


This.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.


Nonsense. Everyone knows low EMS Destroy is the most optimal ending for the franchise. :wizard::wizard:

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 


You are just straight up lying. Come on, stop it already. There is no way a slideshow will get you from "I hate it." to "I love it."

Be honest for once.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.


No, just... no. I would never choose either one.

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Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 


You are just straight up lying. Come on, stop it already. There is no way a slideshow will get you from "I hate it." to "I love it."

Be honest for once.

I'm not lying. In the original ending I felt completely left in the dark. I had no idea if any of my choices meant anything, and far as I was concerned, everyone on board the Normandy starved to death. After the EC, that's no longer the case. I know what happens to the Normandy, I know what happens to Earth, I know what happens to the different homeworlds, I know what happens to characters like Mordin and Jacob. 

But hey, it's good to see you're still having a hard time accepting other people's opinions. Ending haters in a nutshell.

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The Ultimate Refusal ending is very satisfying for me, I just wish I could export that Shepard for future playthroughs. If you haven't seen me reference it before, it's where I die in London, after getting nuked by Harbinger. The first time I played, even though I knew better since I didn't even start playing Mass Effect 1 until after the EC was released, I thought the credits would roll after the blast. I would have been ecstatic with that ending. Surviving that blast left a worse taste in my mouth than if you could simultaneously pick all four choices at once.

Shepard should die at the end of ME 3, no matter what you do. It is the end of Shepard's part of the ME story, and surviving protagonists that aren't a part of the central story any more are bad. Go look at the DA forums for confirmation of this. So if there are more stories to tell in the ME universe after the events of ME 3, Shepard must die.

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I have found a fun way to play ME3. Assume Shepard is indoctrinated, and play to get the Reapers the best ending. Not only is it more challenging to sabotage allied efforts and get all your squad killed you and your Reaper allies can actually WIN in the end.

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Its not that I want a super happy ending, it more that with the number of endings we're presented with, it would have been good to have something a little more positive. People wouldn't have to choose it if they didn't want to, but knowing the option is there would make things better in my opinion.

I do like the control and destroy endings, but they're still quite depressing in regards to Shepard's or the synthetics fate - I guess you just can't win them all.

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Everybody dies. Only Shepard gets to do it while saving the galaxy. Hell yah I'm going to play again. But the ending did not depress me. Guess I'm just not that senstive and I have a greater appreciation of death. Optimus Prime and Roy Fokker prepped me for this.

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I agree with pretty much everything you said OP.
Catch 22 endings don't leave me satisfied; I'd much rather black and white endings, a generic, blissful 'everyone is happy' ending and the exact opposite, as inartistic as they may be.

I have trouble playing through when the whole time I'm thinking about what I have to look forward to at the end. While one could argue that you can just enjoy the gameplay for what it is, I have trouble doing that, for whatever reason.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

But hey, it's good to see you're still having a hard time accepting other people's opinions. Ending haters in a nutshell.


I have no problem with opinions but I know when someone is being disingenuous.

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But have you forgotten?
This isn't a video game.
In fact, Bioware took out TIM as a final boss precisely because they felt a final boss would be too "video game."

This is ART.
And ART is dark, depressing, magical, and speculative.
You don't enjoy art, you speculate and feel bad about it.
I mean, do you enjoy Beethoven's music or Shakespeare's writing?
Respect the artists' integrity, OP.
This is about them, not the player, not the consumer, and definitely not YOU!

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Haven't been disappointed so i i guess i cannot relate to this thread

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Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

But hey, it's good to see you're still having a hard time accepting other people's opinions. Ending haters in a nutshell.


I have no problem with opinions but I know when someone is being disingenuous.

Well, good for you I guess.

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It depresses me for a variety of reasons but the most glaring are that it's out of tone of the rest of the series and that it's so bloody hopelessly written. Keep the tone consistent throughout the series and I can quite happily deal with things going rather pear-shaped in the end, as long as the reasons for it doing so make sense. I don't exactly expect The Witcher to finally end on a happy note for example, and that probably won't bother me because it'll be in keeping with the entire series (so far). But when we've got negatives just for the sake of having negatives to make it all look darker and "arty"? No thanks.