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[Eliza]

After playing ME 3 it was like 1983 when I left the cinema after watching Star Wars VI. It was horrible - I felt angy and depressed at the same time about what the creator of a fantastic story did to it in the last movie (Ewoks, Muppet Show, twin sister out of the blue ...). Being a big fan before I lost interest in the saga completely. I took me about 20 years to enjoy it again. So maybe in some decades I will enjoy ME again - but not now.

I tried to enjoy ME 2 by continuing an unfinished game but I cannot enjoy it anymore because I know what happens to Shepard in the end and that there is no chance to change it no matter what decisions I make and what I do.
I really hate it to feel frustrated after finishing a game. I want to cheer and cry out "finally you get what you deserve, Reapers! And remember for all time: Never fu** with Shepard!"
I play to enjoy, to feel a little bit like a hero, especially since the game encourages so much to identify with your Shepard. I want a chance (one option among others) to win and survive. It can and should be hard to get this option, but it should be included in a game.

[spacehamsterZH]

I have four Shepards from ME1/2, and I'm still stuck in the fourth playthrough, not really feeling motivated to finish it. With ME2, I was practically looking for excuses to replay the game, and iirc I played it eight times in total. So I guess something must be off.

I don't think it's the fact that there's no happy ending, though. At least not for me. That's never bothered me, and if I'm honest I think it's kind of a dumb complaint. The problem for me is that there's just very little replay value if the entire last section of the game plays out exactly the same no matter what you've done before. No matter what I do, in the end I get dropped into "Priority: Earth" aka the deleted Crysis 2 level, and what happens there is always the same and feels almost completely disconnected from everything else. So why invest another 30 hours of my time in a full playthrough?

[drayfish]

I've played through once (of the six Shepards that I've led through ME1 and 2), and yes, there is no way that I can put the remaining 5 through that worthless moral grinder.

Whenever I think of Mass Effect now - a universe that I have cherished and been thrilled by for years - all I can see is a hateful trap. Bioware managed to engineer a franchise that's sole purpose was to force it's fans to choose which war crime they were willing to inflict upon the universe in order to 'win'.

The depravity of calling that art is heartbreaking.

Modifié par drayfish, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[Kulbelbolka]

There is nothing bad if game left you in bad mood. Remember Mafia 1, remember MGS3: endings that make you feel truly depressed. But these endings are on their place, they were natural.

ME3 endings feels out of place. Shepard's sacrifice is not obvious way for players who invested so many emotions in series. All this Sacrifice moment feels unnatural, like it's cheapiest way to make us cry of something. I noticed that ME3 tries to control our emotions by cheap techniques too often. It's sign of lack of taste.

You feel bad after endings not because it's sad of depressed. You feel bad, because there is not enough context. I should now why exactly Shepard must die and why there is no other way to defeat Reapers without accepting Catalyst's paradigm.

[Wayning_Star]

"too much change in too short a period of time". The book, which became an international bestseller, grew out of an article "The Future as a Way of Life" in ...

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Future_Shock


"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.” : Albert Einstein quotes
http://thinkexist.co...udge/12650.html

[Vlk3]

I don't know about you, but I'm okay with destroy ending. It provides happy ending, despite heavy losses. Most of your friends live, Shepard lives and no one is brainwashed. This is a happy ending. Not for Thanemancers though... So you should be happy, at least there's a chance for a reunion with your LI's and friends. It could always be worse.

[Wayning_Star]

Hey Folks, look'it the bright side: You're just reading into a biography, and the Sheps get to be your help and author for the time being.

(you LIKE the 'war parts' don't like the peace treaty?)

[lynch108]

robertthebard wrote...

The Ultimate Refusal ending is very satisfying for me, I just wish I could export that Shepard for future playthroughs. If you haven't seen me reference it before, it's where I die in London, after getting nuked by Harbinger. The first time I played, even though I knew better since I didn't even start playing Mass Effect 1 until after the EC was released, I thought the credits would roll after the blast. I would have been ecstatic with that ending. Surviving that blast left a worse taste in my mouth than if you could simultaneously pick all four choices at once.

Shepard should die at the end of ME 3, no matter what you do. It is the end of Shepard's part of the ME story, and surviving protagonists that aren't a part of the central story any more are bad. Go look at the DA forums for confirmation of this. So if there are more stories to tell in the ME universe after the events of ME 3, Shepard must die.

Check out avatar series. Great series, protagonist lives in the end. Sequel series takes place many years later so no one cares that Aang isn't in it (although he does appear as spirit). I would have preferred that sort of ending to at least be one of the options.

Modifié par lynch108, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Saans Shadow]

Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 

You are just straight up lying. Come on, stop it already. There is no way a slideshow will get you from "I hate it." to "I love it."

Be honest for once.

How come?  It worked for me.  I didn't like the original ending either but now that I know what happens to the galaxy afterwords, that confused bleak feeling disappeared.  I still grieved for Shepard afterward but I have come to accept her death at this point.  All in all I'm for the most part happy with the game now.

[robertthebard]

lynch108 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

The Ultimate Refusal ending is very satisfying for me, I just wish I could export that Shepard for future playthroughs. If you haven't seen me reference it before, it's where I die in London, after getting nuked by Harbinger. The first time I played, even though I knew better since I didn't even start playing Mass Effect 1 until after the EC was released, I thought the credits would roll after the blast. I would have been ecstatic with that ending. Surviving that blast left a worse taste in my mouth than if you could simultaneously pick all four choices at once.

Shepard should die at the end of ME 3, no matter what you do. It is the end of Shepard's part of the ME story, and surviving protagonists that aren't a part of the central story any more are bad. Go look at the DA forums for confirmation of this. So if there are more stories to tell in the ME universe after the events of ME 3, Shepard must die.

Check out avatar series. Great series, protagonist lives in the end. Sequel series takes place many years later so no one cares that Aang isn't in it (although he does appear as spirit). I would have preferred that sort of ending to at least be one of the options.

Unless it's the movie based game, I've never heard of that.  I looked at the game connected to the movie, came with my movie when I bought it, a demo anyway, but shooters by and large aren't my thing.  I only picked up ME because I was bored with DA and a lot of dialog over in their forums was about this series.  So, I started at the beginning.  I'll do a search though.

[Reever]

The ending doesn´t depress me. I´ve read enough Sci-Fi (and other) stories, some of which end better and others which don´t. I know this is a game, but it still entertains me and while the ending isn´t optimal, I still can accept it.

[BiO]

Sion1138 wrote...

No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.

Then what the hell are you doing here?

[drayfish]

robertthebard wrote...

Unless it's the movie based game, I've never heard of that.  I looked at the game connected to the movie, came with my movie when I bought it, a demo anyway, but shooters by and large aren't my thing.  I only picked up ME because I was bored with DA and a lot of dialog over in their forums was about this series.  So, I started at the beginning.  I'll do a search though.

Yeah - the name, sadly, is misleading.  It's not the James Cameron film, it's actually an animated series called Avatar: The Last Airbender.  They did made a movie too (actually around the same time as Avatar hit cinemas) - but for the love of all that is holy, don't watch it!  The animated series is charming, uplifting, genuinely exciting and filled with wonder and grace - it is a beautiful, expansive, epic story, told effortlessly well.  The movie version is one of M Night Shamalan's filmic atrocities.  It is generally considered to be one of the biblical plagues.

Modifié par drayfish, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[robertthebard]

drayfish wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Unless it's the movie based game, I've never heard of that.  I looked at the game connected to the movie, came with my movie when I bought it, a demo anyway, but shooters by and large aren't my thing.  I only picked up ME because I was bored with DA and a lot of dialog over in their forums was about this series.  So, I started at the beginning.  I'll do a search though.

Yeah - the name, sadly is misleading.  it's actually an animated series called Avatar: The Last Airbender.  They made a movie too - but for the love of all that is holy, don't watch it!  The animated series is charming, uplifting, genuinely exciting and filled with wonder and grace - the movie version is one of M Night Shamalan's filmic atrocities.  It is generally considered one of the biblical plagues.

Just got back from looking, yeah, I'll not be playing that, based on appearances on the site alone.  I think it might appeal to a younger audience, no disrespect intended.

[BlessedSoldier]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 

False Optimism is still depressing.

[obZen DF]

ME1 is the only ME game that I still truly enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I still love all 3 games, but whenever I think about ME1 I'm excited again, but whenever I think about 2 and 3, I got that bitter taste in my mouth. Even though I still love them. Weird right?

[Dean_the_Young]

robertthebard wrote...

drayfish wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Unless it's the movie based game, I've never heard of that.  I looked at the game connected to the movie, came with my movie when I bought it, a demo anyway, but shooters by and large aren't my thing.  I only picked up ME because I was bored with DA and a lot of dialog over in their forums was about this series.  So, I started at the beginning.  I'll do a search though.

Yeah - the name, sadly is misleading.  it's actually an animated series called Avatar: The Last Airbender.  They made a movie too - but for the love of all that is holy, don't watch it!  The animated series is charming, uplifting, genuinely exciting and filled with wonder and grace - the movie version is one of M Night Shamalan's filmic atrocities.  It is generally considered one of the biblical plagues.

Just got back from looking, yeah, I'll not be playing that, based on appearances on the site alone.  I think it might appeal to a younger audience, no disrespect intended.

It's a mixed bag, honestly: the first season is far more of a 'story of the week', complete with 'the moral of this story, kids, is-'.

It does pick up with a pretty strong cast as the development kicks in. The protagonists mature, the character tensions are plausible, and even the villains are frighteningly competent.


Of course, it's also a whole different medium and theme than Mass Effect, so arguments of 'this is how ME3 should have been' miss the point. Avatar pretty much avoids the nature of the war that is it's framing device, for example: it would be like if ME3 only rarely had Shepard fighting Reaper forces, and never seeing a city or planet fall. The big Deus ex Machina in the end allows the protagonist to keep his idealism intact without compromise, a Deus Ex even more aggravatingly demonstrated in the sequel series.

[Ferah84]

While I still love the ME series as a whole, the ending did throw me off the mark because I didn't see it taking that direction. I'd still play ME3 because the majority of the game is awesome, but I hate reaching the end. I have come to accept the given endings (I choose control or destroy and I really love the EC) but it still leaves a bitter taste which is why I'm in no rush to reach the end when I start the game again o__o.

It just feels odd to enthusiastically play through the game and not want to reach the ending again for some time lol.

[Wayning_Star]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

drayfish wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Unless it's the movie based game, I've never heard of that.  I looked at the game connected to the movie, came with my movie when I bought it, a demo anyway, but shooters by and large aren't my thing.  I only picked up ME because I was bored with DA and a lot of dialog over in their forums was about this series.  So, I started at the beginning.  I'll do a search though.

Yeah - the name, sadly is misleading.  it's actually an animated series called Avatar: The Last Airbender.  They made a movie too - but for the love of all that is holy, don't watch it!  The animated series is charming, uplifting, genuinely exciting and filled with wonder and grace - the movie version is one of M Night Shamalan's filmic atrocities.  It is generally considered one of the biblical plagues.

Just got back from looking, yeah, I'll not be playing that, based on appearances on the site alone.  I think it might appeal to a younger audience, no disrespect intended.

It's a mixed bag, honestly: the first season is far more of a 'story of the week', complete with 'the moral of this story, kids, is-'.

It does pick up with a pretty strong cast as the development kicks in. The protagonists mature, the character tensions are plausible, and even the villains are frighteningly competent.


Of course, it's also a whole different medium and theme than Mass Effect, so arguments of 'this is how ME3 should have been' miss the point. Avatar pretty much avoids the nature of the war that is it's framing device, for example: it would be like if ME3 only rarely had Shepard fighting Reaper forces, and never seeing a city or planet fall. The big Deus ex Machina in the end allows the protagonist to keep his idealism intact without compromise, a Deus Ex even more aggravatingly demonstrated in the sequel series.

It would seem that (from the OP opinion,et al) the "DeM" as stated isn't enough to taylor the use of "DeM" as metagame canon? There is no 'savior', hence, no Eeus Ex Machina, or it's "machina" isn't firing on all eight cylinders?

Everyone is needing a 'silver bullet' to end the trilogy with all 's....

edit: that is that most everyone needs the trilogy to end, or not with the Sheps surviving their ordeal..

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[Wayning_Star]

why have "Peace", when the entire universe is based on one big explosion...lol

[Memnon]

This is why I play GW2 now ...

[Wayning_Star]

winning isn't everything but thinking about stuff sucks..

end of trolling.

[robertthebard]

BlessedSoldier wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There's plenty of games out there with super happy endings where every cheer and dance. They're quite cheap too.

Also, if you really want to like ME3, you could just pick Synthesis or the paragon Control ending. Those two are very happy and optimistic endings.

To answer your question, yes, I do very much enjoy plaing ME3. Before the EC I felt the same way as you do. "What's the point?" But after they added that little bit of extra information about what happens to the galaxy, how my choices mattered for the people I cared about, I feel much better. 

False Optimism is still depressing.

Implying that somebody else's optimism is false based purely on one's defeatism is also depressing.

[Haargel]

I agree, while i love the game....

ME1 and ME2 had a "hell yea, we did it feeling"
ME3 ending is just like "Ok, it's done"

For me at least.

[Argolas]

When I finish a game, I want to feel rewarded for what I accomplished.

If I aquired a certain war asset, I want to fight alongside it or at least see it fight in a cutscene. But no, you barely see anything than human forces fighting on earth. You can get the best ending by starting a ME3 game, making a minimalist playthrough and pushing your EMS by doing horde mode multiplayer. You get the exact same result as if you play all three games with careful decisions. This is just so wrong and worse, it is just not what I loved Mass Effect for.
Wait, there is another part I loved this game for: The characters. Sadly, they all disappear just before the ending. Shepard is up there alone, only talking to Anderson, Illusive man and in the final moments, the most certainly worst ´character´ in the whole series. I even liked Allers more, at least I could tell her to get lost without losing everything. I was so disappointed when I saw this. BioWare, I am not the only one who wished nothing more to spend share the game´s final moments with our favourite characters on our side. And we do not see them again. Shure, my Shepard survived, and still I cannot reunite with my squad. Really, what is the point of Shepard alive ending if him waking up is the last thing we ever see of him anyway?

My decisions do not matter, and the only character you share the ending with is the hated "catalyst". Your decisions do not matter, and there are no characters to speak of... in that ending, what is left of Mass Effect´s qualities? And my last hopes are busted since we know now that there is not going to be DLC of Shepard after waking up. And what´s worse, I hear of Synthesis as canon.

Congratulations, Bioware, you did it. I buyed everything that there was to buy for Mass Effect 1 and 2, but for Mass Effect 3 which was in many ways better than the other 2, I will not buy a single DLC unless something changes. I do not even want to play it anymore, I regret spending all the money for it. And if Synthesis does happen to be canon for the next game, I am certainly not buying it because I then know for shure that you stopped listening.

Modifié par Argolas, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .