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[OhDihBot]

Sion1138 wrote...

No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.

This.

[Iakus]

OhDihBot wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

No, I don't play ME anymore.

If your game manages to make players feel bad afterwards, something went wrong.

This.

+1

[Blind2Society]

A story is only truly good when it makes you feel a wide variety of emotions. If it makes you smile, cry, laugh, get angry, feel heroic (among others) than it was a good story. The emotions the ending evoked are in no way good emotions to feel when experiencing a story.

[Joe1962]

Indeed they are, TC.

I posted a few weeks ago in a thread called, "Was I Wrong To have Hope And To Truely Believe In A Happy Ending For Mass Effect 3" (long title, I know). Topic creater was LiarasShield.

I think what I posted there fits here as well.

"No, TC. You were not wrong. I feel the same way.

As some have stated, war is horrible. In real life.

This
is a video game, not real life. I play video games to escape real life
for a few hours, and I play them to see good triumph over evil and
impossible odds.

If/when I want real life I watch the news.

ME
1 had a perfect ending. I had no idea it was a trilogy when I first
played so I shed a tear when I thought my Shep had died. Then he came
out with that crazy grin and I cheered. That's the feeling I want when
I play a video game. Triumph, not depression."

[Cainne Chapel]

I dont mind sad or bittersweet endings.

The endings didnt leave me feeling sad or upset. But then Games are just another entertainment medium, some can have you happy sad, etc.

All in all i didnt feel depressed at all, my only issue witht he original endings was that i had no idea what happened to my crew and the people that helped me, the EC went a ways in a bit to help with that.  So I was left feeling more optomistic.

(of course I went in with the mindset that something was going to happent o shepard regardless... I mean the man DID die once before)

Do all movies have to end with a GOOD ending to be good where the hero always triumphs? nope.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Baa Baa]

I don't just play games just to feel good, I play games to get invested in a story and get a sort of "closing satisfaction" when it is complete.
I loved Deus Ex HR and it's ending and it was a depressing game that led to a world changing choice depending on your philosophy.
I loved Halo Reach even thought the end resulted in every character in the squad including the protagonist to die, I felt it told a great story, and the sacrifice made it truly satisfying.
I liked the ending of GTA IV even if it is just basically a story about loss after loss, with no real victory in the end.
So, at least for me, no.

[-Skorpious-]

I don't mind if Shepard dies in the ending or even if the Normandy and Earth get blown to hell if it meant destroying the reapers. But what does matter is that the execution should be handled with respect to both the lore and basic narrative structuring, aspects that ME3's "climax" clearly failed to follow when they threw in a new antagonist in the last 10 minutes and, for whatever reason, left out the epilogue.

[Kia Purity]

I'm pretty sure I played ME3 to feel good about Taking Earth Back and saving the universe.

I got none of that and that sent me in a deep depression. For me, ME was about winning against odds and all SHEPARD IS AWESOME!

The thing is it just hit everyone hard because Bioware encouraged us to be our Shepard and that's the problem with ME3's ending. We took it personally.

Now, if it was in a game with some character who we didn't create at all, just playing that character-- the ending might have not affected us so emotionally (but would still annoy us based on the flawed logic/codex issues)

I also do play for the story but I will stop if the story starts getting awful because how can I enjoy something if it makes no bloody sense and was written by a depressed 14 year old?

[MythicalStick]

RDR had an extremely dark ending, and I loved every second of it. I thought it was gorgeous. I thought it was epic. LA Noir had a dark ending, but then again what are you going to expect in a game with "Noir" in the title. I loved it too. ME3s ending was a little bittersweet, but the whole death thing was acceptable to me.

[Gogzilla]

Ferah84 wrote...

Apologies if there's another thread like this (please redirect me if there is).

As I've stated in another thread: http://social.biowar...1922/1#13936151
I didn't really enjoy playing the new Leviathan DLC mainly because it would not have much impact on Shepard's outcome in the end (though I really loved finding out more about the reapers and the whole DLC looked amazing). And it got me thinking more about the purpose of games in general.

If you buy a game, it's likely you want to feel overall enjoyment from it. Though Mass Effect is a strong narrative piece of work as much as it's a game, it is primarily seen and sold as a game, and in my opinion, games are overall meant to be enjoyed (to be played over and over again, especially if you've spent alot of money on them). So why do I feel depressed when I "try" to play Mass Effect 3 again? I should "want" to play the game again, not "try" to play the game again.

If you're like me, you'd like a good balance of gameplay and story (which Mass Effect does for the most part). The ME story itself gave me drive to complete the missions because I wanted to see how it ends. While I respect Bioware's creativity, artistic vision and the choices they made to produce their work, I think the given endings are all too bittersweet and it's the lack of positive outcome for the player's character, that destroys my willingness to re-play my Shepard (the "refusal" ending in the EC only really adds more to this) .

If Mass Effect was purely a movie, I honestly wouldn't have complaint about the ending. But, because I'm playing it as a game, the end of the series felt like a really damp and heavy blanket over whatever enjoyment I had from it. Overall, I just felt zoned out by it and when I try playing Shepard again, I feel like she's already dead =__= .

How does everyone else feel? Do you still feel enthusiastic about playing ME3 after knowing how it ends?

P.S. Just so you know I'm not trying to kick up a fuss about the endings again. I just want to know if people still enjoy playing their Shepards as they did the first time round

 
Games are a medium like any other , it should be treated as such.
No more justification should be required for that. 

And to your question , yes i still enjoy playing the games all 3 of them and DLC. 
Mass Effect is interesting to me because it explores so many themes and charecters in such depth. In a replay i can still experience all of that.

What impacted me more was the journey , the destination maybe a troway, but i went on a hell of a rollercoaster to get here, and even if the end of the ride made me want to trow up i would go through again, but proabably take more precaustion that time round 

Modifié par Gogzilla, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Baa Baa]

Kia Purity wrote...

I'm pretty sure I played ME3 to feel good about Taking Earth Back and saving the universe.

I got none of that and that sent me in a deep depression. For me, ME was about winning against odds and all SHEPARD IS AWESOME!

The thing is it just hit everyone hard because Bioware encouraged us to be our Shepard and that's the problem with ME3's ending. We took it personally.

Now, if it was in a game with some character who we didn't create at all, just playing that character-- the ending might have not affected us so emotionally (but would still annoy us based on the flawed logic/codex issues)

I also do play for the story but I will stop if the story starts getting awful because how can I enjoy something if it makes no bloody sense and was written by a depressed 14 year old?

Yeah, Mass Effect always felt like it was about the characters and winning despite insermountable odds. It never felt like it was supposed to be philosophical, artsy, or intended to send some message. It was always something that seemed really simple.
That's why ME3's ending and the game's general depressing tone felt like it came out of nowhere.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Every game should make you feel happy after playing it. If not, the game is BAD!

Limbo didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Red Dead Redemption didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
GTA IV didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Braid didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
LA Noire didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Halo Reach didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Etc.

[Tooneyman]

MythicalStick wrote...

RDR had an extremely dark ending, and I loved every second of it. I thought it was gorgeous. I thought it was epic. LA Noir had a dark ending, but then again what are you going to expect in a game with "Noir" in the title. I loved it too. ME3s ending was a little bittersweet, but the whole death thing was acceptable to me.

OK, so the only way to have an epic dark ending is for things to die? <_<

[Baa Baa]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Every game should make you feel happy after playing it. If not, the game is BAD!

Limbo didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Red Dead Redemption didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
GTA IV didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Braid didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
LA Noire didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Halo Reach didn't make me feel happy, what a crappy game.
Etc.

I agree with you, I love all those games, but I think you're going a little over board by insulting the poster.

[robertthebard]

Tooneyman wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Wait, wait. Its called an opinion mate. What I'm stating is simple. Games are not Hollywood. Games have levels. Games have challenges, games have boss fights. Especially games that are modeled after RPG's. Shooter games have boss fights. The depressing fact is that people know the game was rushed. That's the problem mate. You might enjoy the game but way more majority doesn't. There are plenty of numbers, articles and people to back this. Plenty of polls which have happened sense March. You can enjoy your game all you want. All these people are asking for is an add on to your ending for them that is a happy one. If you don't want it you wouldn't have to buy it. Especially sense  you think your artistic version of depression suits you.

But in all aspects. Your welcome to your game the way you want it, but its also our game too and the devs. We all made it.  We made these games together everyone on and off the forums. We paid money because we believe Bioware would make a great experience for the players. We felt they would give us all the choices they promised. Not just he four we got, but many many more. Think Dragon age in the long run. The fans were hoping for something like that. Its why the out cry is so huge. Its why so many people keep showing their rage. They keep coming back to the forums day after day asking for a change or at least an add on. They truly love this game. Why not give them a happy ending. You got your depressing one. You can have it. It wouldn't take Bioware much to make a happy ending. Hell they can do the same with the EC. It wouldn't take much.

These people are only asking for a small hand. Now buy all means. Enjoy your game, but don't keep trying to put others down because they like roses and you like frogs.

The problem is in this ending Bioware only added frogs with no rose when it came to the most important character in the game. THE PLAYER!

Yes, it is an opinion, and like ****s, everyone has them, and they all stink.  Yours does, mine does, random joe over there does too.  However, stating your opinion as fact is incorrect.  The fact is, you did not enjoy the game, but I did, therefore, your opinion cannot be fact, because it doesn't apply to me.  It wouldn't matter if 1,000,000 other people shared your opinion, it would still be opinion, not fact.  I don't try to put others down for liking or not liking the game or the endings.  I don't presume that my experience with the game was so rich that everybody should share it.  Nor do I suggest that people should keep them to themselves.  You should feel free to post whatever you want here, within the rules.  You should also expect that someone may indeed disagree with you, and may even post to point out that they disagree with you, which is what I did.  I disagree with you.  I enjoyed the game, you didn't.  I don't have a real problem with that, but, it seems like you do have a problem with me enjoying something you didn't.  Quite frankly, that problem is not my own.  Quit pretending, or believing, that it should be.

No, what I'm stating is these people have their opinions to and are asking for a DLC which would alter their opinion of the games ending to where they might enjoy it. I didn't state anything fact. You weren't paying attention to my words.

I was stating simply having Bioware add something into the game which doesn't effect your opinion at all of it. If you wanted to add that option you would be free too.

As for the facts of movies and games they will never be the same thing.  A movie is a movie. A game is a game.

You enjoy the game your way and I'll enjoy it my way which is what I'm stating. I'm not infringing on your opinion. I'm arguing a fact! Yes a fact that you enjoy the game with a depressing ending while others or myself might enjoy it with a happy ending.

The difference is you got yours. Not everyone got theirs.

Now read carefully now because this one your gonna love.   Actually watch it. You'll see why my opinion is different from yours. Hope this helps. This is my fact Watch the video from 1:00 on. I'm done aguing. 

I'll enjoy my opinion and you enjoy yours, but I'm not changing my opinion until Bioware does something about what they said this game was going to be.

A lie is not an opinion. A lie is a lie.

Then quit lying to yourself, so that you can be honest with the rest of us?  Where, in any post by me, have I stated that I liked the endings?  This is your first lie, and it is a lie of assumption.  You are argueing from a position that is false, that I like the endings.  You don't think that any conclusions you draw from that might be false as well?  Maybe there are other factors at work here than simple dishonesty?  The only ending of the game I like is my Ultimate Refusal ending, where I die from Marauder Shields and then quit the game.  How far past the DeM of surviving Harbinger's laser do you play, did you play?  I admit, in 12 runs to date, I have ended the game in two saves.  One my very first play through, and one because I got tired of using the same Shepard for subsequent playthroughs.  The rest get to that point and I quit, and I've deleted 8 of those saves because I don't see me having an intense desire to finish the game with those any time in the immediate future.

What you will not see me do is bash somebody else for liking the game or not.  I will, however, object to people trying to foist their world views on me.  "I didn't like it so nobody else should" doesn't float with me, I have seen posts by people that did like it get attacked from all angles, like they were a BioWare employee, by people that believe that their view is more important than anything.  I have seen the same kinds of people go to places like Amazon and mark positive feedback as spam.  Simply to support their agenda.  I don't do agendas, and this is a public forum.  If you don't want to get caught up in controversy, don't do controversial things.

[habitat 67]

MythicalStick wrote...
it would be nice to go somewhere and be able to share my love of ME3, and the ME Universe, without having to constantly listen to someone complain about the same thing for 6 months.  I understand everybody has the right to b*tch, but man, it gets old having to listen to it when all you would like to do is share the love. 

I'm with you. I would pay money to corral all the whiners to an area where I'd never go. The forums used to be fun.

[Ghaleon]

Which is why i have not touched ME since i beat the 3rd monumental failure on the developers part if i wanna be depressed all i have to do is flip on the tv and change to the news.

It's not even the fact that endings have to be super happy, but the ending is so poorly written it not only makes you depressed makes you angry, i'm fine with a bitter sweet ending but they have to leave the player with a glimpse of hope in the end, not the crap we got.

Then those that did have some hope with the shepard breathe scene got that squashed by one of biowares worst writers when she said it may of been a dying gasp of air.

Modifié par Ghaleon80, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[AlanC9]

Ghaleon80 wrote...
It's not even the fact that endings have to be super happy, but the ending is so poorly written it not only makes you depressed makes you angry, i'm fine with a bitter sweet ending but they have to leave the player with a glimpse of hope in the end, not the crap we got.

Then those that did have some hope with the shepard breathe scene got that squashed by one of biowares worst writers when she said it may of been a dying gasp of air.

So when you say "glimpse of hope" you mean hope for Shepard. The galaxy has plenty of hope (post-EC, anyway).

My Sheps all died happy (haven't played a Destroy or Refuse Shep yet). Dying in the moment of final triumph over the greatest enemy the galaxy has ever seen? Anyone who isn't OK with that should have picked a different career.

Edit: whoops. I meant Destroy there, not Control. Destroy Sheps don't die, and Refuse sheps die with only a moral victory.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[loungeshep]

Mass Effect 3 doesn't leave me depressed.

My shep is either Reaper Goddess or destroyed the Reapers and is in a coma in a hospital in London. My insanity playthrough version of the same Shep will synthesis the galaxy.

I have a new playthrough who LI'ed Thane, she'll most likely refuse.

Modifié par loungeshep, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Ghaleon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ghaleon80 wrote...
It's not even the fact that endings have to be super happy, but the ending is so poorly written it not only makes you depressed makes you angry, i'm fine with a bitter sweet ending but they have to leave the player with a glimpse of hope in the end, not the crap we got.

Then those that did have some hope with the shepard breathe scene got that squashed by one of biowares worst writers when she said it may of been a dying gasp of air.

So when you say "glimpse of hope" you mean hope for Shepard. The galaxy has plenty of hope (post-EC, anyway).

My Sheps all died happy (haven't played a Control or Refuse Shep yet). Dying in the moment of final triumph over the greatest enemy the galaxy has ever seen? Anyone who isn't OK with that should have picked a different career.

One ending should of had a glimpse of hope that shepard survived and reunited with his/her crew.

[MythicalStick]

Tooneyman wrote...

MythicalStick wrote...

RDR had an extremely dark ending, and I loved every second of it. I thought it was gorgeous. I thought it was epic. LA Noir had a dark ending, but then again what are you going to expect in a game with "Noir" in the title. I loved it too. ME3s ending was a little bittersweet, but the whole death thing was acceptable to me.

OK, so the only way to have an epic dark ending is for things to die? <_<

No.  It could end with the main character finding out that he killed his father and has been sleeping with his mother and popping his eyeballs out with pins and wearing them on his beard.  Ooops, forgot that mom hung herself.  There's your death. 

[MythicalStick]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ghaleon80 wrote...
It's not even the fact that endings have to be super happy, but the ending is so poorly written it not only makes you depressed makes you angry, i'm fine with a bitter sweet ending but they have to leave the player with a glimpse of hope in the end, not the crap we got.

Then those that did have some hope with the shepard breathe scene got that squashed by one of biowares worst writers when she said it may of been a dying gasp of air.

So when you say "glimpse of hope" you mean hope for Shepard. The galaxy has plenty of hope (post-EC, anyway).

My Sheps all died happy (haven't played a Control or Refuse Shep yet). Dying in the moment of final triumph over the greatest enemy the galaxy has ever seen? Anyone who isn't OK with that should have picked a different career.

Amen!  I won't say Shep died happy, but he died getting the frickin job done!  I want to get a screenshot of Shep shooting the tube and make it my new wallpaper.  Unstoppable!

[ld1449]

Jamie9 wrote...

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Gaming as a medium is maturing. And that means the types of stories being told are diversifying. We have movies that have depressing endings. Some of these are blockbuster hits. So why not gaming?

In fact, I enjoy the emotional rollercoaster that is a good story. You know what: when Thane died, I felt really bad. But that was good. That I was affected in such a way is a sign of an effective storyteller.

If you want all stories to end in happy endings, then good for you. But I think that heavily restricts authors and is rather close-minded.

You can have depressing endings in gaming that are tasteful, and well done. Look at Halo Reach, Heavy Rain, or some of the endings in the way of the Samurai games since way back when.

Key words being. DONE WELL.

Mass effect 3 is not a cathartic or well done ending by any stretch of the imagination to people with even the most basic literary knowledge and quite a few people without it.

Modifié par ld1449, 02 septembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[AlanC9]

Ghaleon80 wrote...

One ending should of had a glimpse of hope that shepard survived and reunited with his/her crew.

I thought we got that. Haven't played a Destroy Shep yet, but when I look at the vids it's pretty freakin' obvious that's exactly what's going to happen.

[Ghaleon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ghaleon80 wrote...

One ending should of had a glimpse of hope that shepard survived and reunited with his/her crew.

I thought we got that. Haven't played a Destroy Shep yet, but when I look at the vids it's pretty freakin' obvious that's exactly what's going to happen.

Which if you had read my post, you'd see one of the bioware writers cast doubt on shepard surviving that ending.