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"It's done when it's done." EA letting go a little?


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Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 were roughly developed at around the same time. Mass Effect 3's original release being November and DA2's being March 2011.

Now, since those two games have been released we've had four fairly successful DLCs. Not with the big reviewers, but with us in the BSN.

Leviathan is getting positive to mixed reviews as Legacy, MOTA and the EC did. All had the attitudes of "it's done when it's done."

Do you feel that EA have seen what's happening, or do DLCs have nothing to do with the main game's development cycle, theres no correlation what-so-ever.

DA3 is also being very quiet about itself. It's now September 2012, and DA2 came out March. That's an eighteen (GRR MATH ><) month gap. Whilst DA:O and DA2 had an eight month gap between announcment. ME2 and ME3 had an 11 month gap between announcments.

Now it could be that they just don't want to announce anything yet, but they have a good deal to show. Or they're taking their time with this one.

Yes, DA3 is "official" since they DID ask for workers in one twitter post, making it practically set in stone that they ARE going to do a sequel.

This is all wishful thinking and hoping for the best. I still find it quite a refreshing thought to my usual "BioWare are going to die" agenda.

Modifié par simfamSP, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:24 .


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Well as long as they release commercially successful games, I'll assume that Bioware will continue to exist. They've made successful games to date, so I'm sure the trend will continue.

Modifié par BomberJR, 02 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .


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I remember someone posting an interview from a guy in BioWare, who basically said EA has a laizze-faire policy with the company. They give them a bunch of money, and only ask for something successful in return if they can make it.

And since BioWare is now a huge division of EA (in some cases, like BioWare Victory, in name only) it is doubtful they will be going anywhere personally. As for Dragon Age III, I always presumed they were holding out a bit longer because development is going to be for next-generation systems. Wii U being a primary example, since BioWare is bringing Mass Effect 3 to the Wii U, I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon Age III joins it, and we see perhaps a Dragon Age bundle for the system.

Plus, we know that new consoles are being made and tested out there, we just don't know when they will be coming to market, so that is something to consider as well.

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Since the next xbox and playstation consoles are still a ways off, I can't see Bioware holding off on releasing DA3 until the next generation of consoles are out. That would be another year, if not two most likely.

As I greatly prefer finished, polished games as opposed to rushed, buggy ones, I can wait as long as needed for DA3, assuming that the longer development time is used productively.

I'm just glad that DA3 isn't going to be rushed out the door, much like DA2 was. Here's hoping for the best.

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I bet my money on an announcement at the VGA's.

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Shevy_001 wrote...

I bet my money on an announcement at the VGA's.

Agreed.

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Shevy_001 wrote...

I bet my money on an announcement at the VGA's.


Very likely, since it would get the most views.

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I had to look up VGA's. Isn't December a little early for an announcement. When do you think it would be released? 2013? I was thinking Nov. or Dec. If it was in 2013.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .


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simfamSP wrote...

Do you feel that EA have seen what's happening, or do DLCs have nothing to do with the main game's development cycle, theres no correlation what-so-ever.


I assume it's easier to make a good DLC than it is a good game. Moreover, post-launch DLC is probably going to get a better reception as the people buying it have already decided they liked the original game enough to get some DLC.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I assume it's easier to make a good DLC than it is a good game. Moreover, post-launch DLC is probably going to get a better reception as the people buying it have already decided they liked the original game enough to get some DLC.


Well, DA:O's DLC were generally a lot worse recieved.

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As long as they take their time with it and get it done correctly I don't really care when DA3 gets released. I'm looking forward to it and I hope it gets bioware back on the right track.

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It's easier to add a spoiler to a car than it is to build an entire car.

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We've been told frequently that this time around they'll only announce the game when they have something solid to actually show us, instead of just saying that the game will have x, y and z features. To me it means we have to wait longer until the game is further along in production that what the previous ones were when they were announced.

Even though it's starting to get difficult waiting for news, I think it's the best approach. And yes, I hope they take all the time they need to properly plan, implement and polish all the features in the game.

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That's what they want you to think!

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I think one of the reasons waiting is more difficult is because we want some sort of news that confirms our hopes that DA3 will be the Origins sequel we always wanted. We desperately want it to be better than DA2, because if that game hit it out of the park like Origins did, DA3 wouldn't be in such high demand.

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Let go of what? EA never had bioware by a leash or restrained the studio in anyway.Dragon age 2 was released to quickly capitalize on origins success and Mass effect's former lead writer retired, nothing to do with EA.EA stopped the management practice of rushing their development studios in 2008 under the superb leadership of  John Riccitiello.

From Wikipedia: "In early 2008, current CEO John
Riccitiello stated that [the purchase and control of studios] by EA was
wrong and that the company now gives acquired studios greater autonomy
without "meddling" in their corporate culture." Source

EA isn't the "Evil empire" many gamers believe it to be.If they'd bother to check their facts once in blue moon maybe they wouldn't be so full of hate and bias.Our current community queen, jessica merizan tried to reach out to the gamer masses recently during a AMAA via reddit about some of her Ideas to build a perfect community but she never got a chance to voice them because of ignorant gamer hatred for EA.

Modifié par Emzamination, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .


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In that case, BioWare just sucks.

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simfamSP wrote...

DA3 is also being very quiet about itself. It's now September 2012, and DA2 came out March (2011). That's a fourteen month gap. Whilst DA:O and DA2 had an eight month gap between announcment. ME2 and ME3 had an 11 month gap between announcments.


{counts fingers}

That's actually an eighteen month gap.  If you exclude the developement time for porting Origins over to console, it's the halfway mark that it took to develope DA:O.  So if they are on that time from now DA3 should be out for March of 2014.  Of course, Origins had to start everything from scratch, so it's kind of puzzeling why they would be taking so long for even an announcement since they've said that they are reusing the DA2 graphics and artworkPosted Image

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Jerrybnsn wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

DA3 is also being very quiet about itself. It's now September 2012, and DA2 came out March (2011). That's a fourteen month gap. Whilst DA:O and DA2 had an eight month gap between announcment. ME2 and ME3 had an 11 month gap between announcments.


{counts fingers}

That's actually an eighteen month gap.  If you exclude the developement time for porting Origins over to console, it's the halfway mark that it took to develope DA:O.  So if they are on that time from now DA3 should be out for March of 2014.  Of course, Origins had to start everything from scratch, so it's kind of puzzeling why they would be taking so long for even an announcement since they've said that they are reusing the DA2 graphics and artworkPosted Image


I was never good at math. I only have so many fingers :lol:

I passed it though, so HAR!

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hoorayforicecream wrote...

It's easier to add a spoiler to a car than it is to build an entire car.


But why take so much time on it? I mean, if people are going to buy it anyway they might as well just... well *do* it.

So yes, it theory a spoiler is much easier to add to a car. But a good car runs for much longer than a ****e one.

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Emzamination wrote...

Let go of what? EA never had bioware by a leash or restrained the studio in anyway.Dragon age 2 was released to quickly capitalize on origins success and Mass effect's former lead writer retired, nothing to do with EA.EA stopped the management practice of rushing their development studios in 2008 under the superb leadership of  John Riccitiello.

From Wikipedia: "In early 2008, current CEO John
Riccitiello stated that [the purchase and control of studios] by EA was
wrong and that the company now gives acquired studios greater autonomy
without "meddling" in their corporate culture." Source

EA isn't the "Evil empire" many gamers believe it to be.If they'd bother to check their facts once in blue moon maybe they wouldn't be so full of hate and bias.Our current community queen, jessica merizan tried to reach out to the gamer masses recently during a AMAA via reddit about some of her Ideas to build a perfect community but she never got a chance to voice them because of ignorant gamer hatred for EA.


Very well put. All the hate is unnecessary. Also, the only thing the stress from all that hate accomplishes is to shorten lifespans.

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think one of the reasons waiting is more difficult is because we want some sort of news that confirms our hopes that DA3 will be the Origins sequel we always wanted. We desperately want it to be better than DA2, because if that game hit it out of the park like Origins did, DA3 wouldn't be in such high demand.


That doesn't make sense.  DA3 isn't in high demand because DA2 tanked.  

I'd argue that there isn't actually a great deal of demand for DA3 given how many people here have expressed such a total loss of faith that they are done with the DA series, or are at least extremely wary of buying DA3 until after they hear public opinion about it.  Even so, had DA2 been as popular as Origins, DA3 would be in EXTREMELY high demand right now.  Wildly popular games create greater interest and anticipation for sequels, not less.

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Silfren wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think one of the reasons waiting is more difficult is because we want some sort of news that confirms our hopes that DA3 will be the Origins sequel we always wanted. We desperately want it to be better than DA2, because if that game hit it out of the park like Origins did, DA3 wouldn't be in such high demand.


That doesn't make sense.  DA3 isn't in high demand because DA2 tanked.  

I'd argue that there isn't actually a great deal of demand for DA3 given how many people here have expressed such a total loss of faith that they are done with the DA series, or are at least extremely wary of buying DA3 until after they hear public opinion about it.  Even so, had DA2 been as popular as Origins, DA3 would be in EXTREMELY high demand right now.  Wildly popular games create greater interest and anticipation for sequels, not less.


If your waiting for DAOpart2 I think you'll be waiting a long time.   As far as demand that depends how many copies you expecting to sell.  You might be right but I doubt it.   Hmm maybe someone else can reply better.

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Silfren wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think one of the reasons waiting is more difficult is because we want some sort of news that confirms our hopes that DA3 will be the Origins sequel we always wanted. We desperately want it to be better than DA2, because if that game hit it out of the park like Origins did, DA3 wouldn't be in such high demand.


That doesn't make sense.  DA3 isn't in high demand because DA2 tanked.  

I'd argue that there isn't actually a great deal of demand for DA3 given how many people here have expressed such a total loss of faith that they are done with the DA series, or are at least extremely wary of buying DA3 until after they hear public opinion about it.  Even so, had DA2 been as popular as Origins, DA3 would be in EXTREMELY high demand right now.  Wildly popular games create greater interest and anticipation for sequels, not less.

I should have been more speicific. I meant DA3 info is in high demand. Despite public protest against the company and it's publisher, people are interested to see what direction BioWare will go with DA3.

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Silfren wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think one of the reasons waiting is more difficult is because we want some sort of news that confirms our hopes that DA3 will be the Origins sequel we always wanted. We desperately want it to be better than DA2, because if that game hit it out of the park like Origins did, DA3 wouldn't be in such high demand.


That doesn't make sense.  DA3 isn't in high demand because DA2 tanked.  

I'd argue that there isn't actually a great deal of demand for DA3 given how many people here have expressed such a total loss of faith that they are done with the DA series, or are at least extremely wary of buying DA3 until after they hear public opinion about it.  Even so, had DA2 been as popular as Origins, DA3 would be in EXTREMELY high demand right now.  Wildly popular games create greater interest and anticipation for sequels, not less.

I should have been more speicific. I meant DA3 info is in high demand. Despite public protest against the company and it's publisher, people are interested to see what direction BioWare will go with DA3.


I have a feeling it will be more excitement right up until the games release, irregardless of the perception of the dev team.