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What is Mass Effect to us? Is it a story? Is it another game? is it a way to shrug off the stress of real life? It is many things to many people. We may not share the common reason for what Mass Effect is for us, but what we do share is a common love for what it is. It is something that has touched the very spirit that rests inside of us, to see worlds beyond Earth, to see new races beyond our own, and to take part in amazing events in the Mass Effect setting.

For me it's a story that took a character of my own making to places unlike any I had seen before. Mass Effect is the only Sci-fi game that has managed to make its way into my all time favorite games. When I first saw the ending to Mass Effect 3, I felt neither unhappy or overjoyed. Like many I had questions about things, How did this happen?, and What about this? I mostly kept to myself in pondering how things could have happened, but sometime later the extended cut came out. I could smile seeing how my LI got away safely, to hear her plea to want to come with me to finish everything, then to hear her touching words of "I have a home.", and finally "Come back to me." It only further fueled my zeal to ensure the destruction of the Reapers. The Geth, Collectors, Cerberus, Reapers, and whatever other threats are or were out there, were not going to keep my Shepard from Tali.

I know its only a game, but its a game that has managed to touch a part of my spirit like it has done for others. We have those who like the endings, those who hate them, and those who are still on the fence about them. The Pro-Ending folks claim the Anti-Ending people as whiners, the Anti-Ending people claim the Pro-Ending folks as Indoctrinated idiots - (In truth they all call each other different things, this was just easier for me). Both have love and passion for this game series, both have a right to agree or disagree with the other side, and both are right on several things, both are also wrong on other things.

Then we come to those of the four choices. Do we become a Guardian of the Galaxy? Do we turn the Galaxy into a Utopia? Do we bring justice to the Reapers? or do we take our chances and gun it out with the enemy? Which one is to be the true canon ending? We take what we felt was right to do.

To become a Guardian, we had to pretty much enslave another Synthetic race to our individual will.
To make a Utopia for all, we had to take the voices of many races away and force a choice upon them all.
To Destroy our enemy, we had to destroy a whole race and s young relationship.
To take the chance to gun it out with the enemy, we made all efforts, the efforts of the others, and the sacrifices of many mean nothing in the end.

The war with the Reapers has driven us to do some very unthinkable things, but this is the price of the war that we fight (or) fought. Everyone may not like it but not all will disagree with it, but we all agree on one thing - The Reapers need(ed) to be stopped.

Then we have the Theorist people. We've heard Indoctrination, Conventional Victory, and other understandable theories from many people. Some agree, some disagree, and some make their own minds up on what needs to be done. All of which should be respected and left to be judged by other individual minds.

If you have read this far I am sure you want me to go ahead and get to my point of all of this. So here it is.

Pro-Ending...
Anti-Ending...
Control...
Synthesis...
Destroy...
Refusal...
Indoctrination...
Conventional Victory...
and other things...

All have parts of the community passion tied up in them. Pro-Ending or Anti-Ending, both respected positions. Control, Synthesis, Destroy, or Refusal all have respectable reasons to choose them. Indoctrination Theory, Conventional Victory Theory, and other theories should all be respected even if disagreed with. Because in the end of it all, we will either have to wait and see what Bioware does or respectfully depart from it entirely, both choices respectable in their own rights.

Is this where the story of Shepard ends?
Is this where the stories of the Mass Effect universe ends?
Is Shepard to be the Guardian of the Galaxy?
Is Shepard to be the bringer of a Galactic Utopia?
Is Shepard to be the destroyer of the Reapers?
Is this cycle to be wiped out for the next to finish off the Reapers?
Are any of the theories true?
Will any of the DLC ideas the community has come up with be used in one form or another?

Only Bioware truly knows the answer to these things and in my honest opinion? They will not reveal what they're doing for a simple reason; How can we be surprised with a DLC if we know what is to come next?

I choose to wait and see what Bioware brings for us. I welcome the company of those who wish to join me in the wait and wish the best for those who choose to depart.

Wait to see what the dawn brings or depart from it all? The choice is yours.

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Modifié par Dunabar, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .


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This has made me smile today. I know how you feel. I enjoyed Leviathan, I enjoy MP. As far as I'm concerned ME is a great series with a great ending now that the EC clears enough for me to be happy. Any additions to the lore is welcome to me and if by some chance after all is said and done with and one of the theories turns out to be true I will welcome it even as a pro-ender and pro-synther.

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I'm not going to go on a trip orchestrated by Super MAC Cannon, Destroyer of Franchises. I'd rather do an Adam Savage and reject reality, substituting it with my own.

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Saans Shadow wrote...

This has made me smile today. I know how you feel. I enjoyed Leviathan, I enjoy MP. As far as I'm concerned ME is a great series with a great ending now that the EC clears enough for me to be happy. Any additions to the lore is welcome to me and if by some chance after all is said and done with and one of the theories turns out to be true I will welcome it even as a pro-ender and pro-synther.


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Arcian wrote...

I'm not going to go on a trip orchestrated by Super MAC Cannon, Destroyer of Franchises. I'd rather do an Adam Savage and reject reality, substituting it with my own.


Reason respected

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Frankly, I'm surprised Bioware are working on DLCs considering how much flak they've taken regarding ME3 in general and the endings in particular - it would have been so much easier to close up shop and tell us this is it, thanks, now let's move on to something else.

The problem with DLCs is twofold: first, people don't like when its pay DLCs - some think it should be free, others that it should have been included in the game from the start. The second part of the problem is: where can you make additions? If the additions won't help in the dreaded ending debacle, then its no good - that's clear from reading the comments on BSN. And otherwise? Bioware set up hooks in the game which are clearly done to accomodate DLCs (like Omega), but how many can be used well enough, whilst - and this is apparently important - fixing the ending debacle?

That said, I'm all for fleshing out ME3 with DLCs. I will wait for a couple of more before I fire ME3 up again.

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Grizzly46 wrote...

Frankly, I'm surprised Bioware are working on DLCs considering how much flak they've taken regarding ME3 in general and the endings in particular - it would have been so much easier to close up shop and tell us this is it, thanks, now let's move on to something else.

The problem with DLCs is twofold: first, people don't like when its pay DLCs - some think it should be free, others that it should have been included in the game from the start. The second part of the problem is: where can you make additions? If the additions won't help in the dreaded ending debacle, then its no good - that's clear from reading the comments on BSN. And otherwise? Bioware set up hooks in the game which are clearly done to accomodate DLCs (like Omega), but how many can be used well enough, whilst - and this is apparently important - fixing the ending debacle?

That said, I'm all for fleshing out ME3 with DLCs. I will wait for a couple of more before I fire ME3 up again.


Noted, welcomed, and somewhere there should be popcorn for all of us.

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Dunabar wrote...
Wait to see what the dawn brings or depart from it all? The choice is yours.

Abitrarily restricting paths to unrealistic choices ... have you been written by MacCasey? :) I'll just keep coming on here every couple of days and denigrating MacCasey and their standin in the game until their artistic vision is burned to the ground.

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Yeah I've always wondered why people were so worked up about the ending . I've gone through everything they have (even the Survey Valuable Minerals mission back in ME1). I respected the ending and the story because I believe that the seemingly shallow lack of logic given by the Catalyst may simply add to Sovereign's statement that they are a thing we cannot even hope to comprehend and that is true for that very reason. War is war . Most of the time it requires unthinkable sacrifices to resolve and the three endings given to us were the most reasonable. Conventional victory , I fully support but the fact that 20 000 other cycles , it makes me question how Shepard can be so different . How do we know that there may be a similar figure in the distant past who tried the same things Shepard did but failed ultimately ? It's just the Reapers' nature , they indeed can't be stopped . The Indoctrination Theory is REALLY clever and I could compare it to Inception and The 6th Sense but it would leave the ending of ME3 more vague than it was with the original endings . I truly believe that BioWare wouldn't just throw away a franchise like this and I remain faithful to their future plans with ME because with a story that formidable , I doubt that this is truly the end . Either that or Drew Karpyshyn needs to come back .

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PinkysPain wrote...

Dunabar wrote...
Wait to see what the dawn brings or depart from it all? The choice is yours.

Abitrarily restricting paths to unrealistic choices ... have you been written by MacCasey? :) I'll just keep coming on here every couple of days and denigrating MacCasey and their standin in the game until their artistic vision is burned to the ground.


Respected, choice is yours alone no matter what form it comes in.

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Ranger1337 wrote...

Yeah I've always wondered why people were so worked up about the ending . I've gone through everything they have (even the Survey Valuable Minerals mission back in ME1). I respected the ending and the story because I believe that the seemingly shallow lack of logic given by the Catalyst may simply add to Sovereign's statement that they are a thing we cannot even hope to comprehend and that is true for that very reason. War is war . Most of the time it requires unthinkable sacrifices to resolve and the three endings given to us were the most reasonable. Conventional victory , I fully support but the fact that 20 000 other cycles , it makes me question how Shepard can be so different . How do we know that there may be a similar figure in the distant past who tried the same things Shepard did but failed ultimately ? It's just the Reapers' nature , they indeed can't be stopped . The Indoctrination Theory is REALLY clever and I could compare it to Inception and The 6th Sense but it would leave the ending of ME3 more vague than it was with the original endings . I truly believe that BioWare wouldn't just throw away a franchise like this and I remain faithful to their future plans with ME because with a story that formidable , I doubt that this is truly the end . Either that or Drew Karpyshyn needs to come back .


Respected and happy to see I wasn't the only one who did the "Valuable Minerals mission", oof what a mission lol.

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.... and i promise you, the dawn is coming!

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Arathyl wrote...

.... and i promise you, the dawn is coming!


B) Amen

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"Take the Batman into custody..."
*weird looks*
"I am the Batman!"
Lol didn't read
EDIT: Ok, I read it now

Modifié par Baa Baa, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:40 .


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Baa Baa wrote...

"Take the Batman into custody..."
*weird looks*
"I am the Batman!"
Lol didn't read


Respected all the same.

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Baa Baa wrote...

"Take the Batman into custody..."
*weird looks*
"I am the Batman!"
Lol didn't read


LOL me neither!

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Dunabar is the peacemaker BSN deserves... but not the one it needs right now...
So we'll hunt him

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Yeah I'll be here till the dawn. Because frankly I don't have a reason to leave. After EC and leviathan, most of my concerns with the endings have been removed. Some more remain, hopefully they'll be removed by future DLCs.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah I'll be here till the dawn. Because frankly I don't have a reason to leave. After EC and leviathan, most of my concerns with the endings have been removed. Some more remain, hopefully they'll be removed by future DLCs.


We will just have to wait and see what Bioware has planned.

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I respect those who enjoy Mass Effect 3, but myself I find that my love affair with the Mass Effect universe ended abruptly on a very sour note. It's just too painful for me to even touch the game still (or indeed ME1 and ME2). I only still hang out at the forums now and then, because I hope against reason that somehow something will change so I can enjoy the games again.

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The endings are still crap, they just smell more pleasant.

Leviathan hurts my brain trying to analyze it.

The ME2 characters are still wasted fonts of opportunity.

So no, I still can't call ME3 a "good" follow-up to the other 2. Too many lore breaks, too many character breaks, and the franchise is still ruined at the end.

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Xandurpein wrote...

I respect those who enjoy Mass Effect 3, but myself I find that my love affair with the Mass Effect universe ended abruptly on a very sour note. It's just too painful for me to even touch the game still (or indeed ME1 and ME2). I only still hang out at the forums now and then, because I hope against reason that somehow something will change so I can enjoy the games again.


Noted and respected.
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Nice post but I fear the dawn will only bring us more disapointment and fail.

DA2, SWOTR, ME3 these things do not promote optimism.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .


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o Ventus wrote...

The endings are still crap, they just smell more pleasant.

Leviathan hurts my brain trying to analyze it.

The ME2 characters are still wasted fonts of opportunity.

So no, I still can't call ME3 a "good" follow-up to the other 2. Too many lore breaks, too many character breaks, and the franchise is still ruined at the end.


Noted and respected. Everyone is different and everyone feels differently about the story, some find it good, some find it bad.
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Hexley UK wrote...

Nice post but I fear the dawn will only bring us more disapointment and fail.

DA2, SWOTR, ME3 these things to not promote optimism.


Well we all make the choice to stay or leave, we don't have a gun held to our head.

Noted and respected.
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