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#26
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Dunabar wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Nice post but I fear the dawn will only bring us more disapointment and fail.

DA2, SWOTR, ME3 these things to not promote optimism.


Well we all make the choice to stay or leave, we don't have a gun held to our head.

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Oh ive made my choice....i'm never buying another BioEAre product again.

I just come here ocasionally to spread the failure that BW has become....you know for S$%ts & Giggles.

Sad thing is before they ruined ME I was a huge fan of their work, I suspect there are many many more like me.

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Hexley UK wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Nice post but I fear the dawn will only bring us more disapointment and fail.

DA2, SWOTR, ME3 these things to not promote optimism.


Well we all make the choice to stay or leave, we don't have a gun held to our head.

Noted and respected.
B)

/salute


Oh ive made my choice....i'm never buying another BioEAre product again.

I just come here ocasionally to spread the failure that BW has become....you know for S$%ts & Giggles.

Sad thing is before they ruined ME I was a huge fan of their work, I suspect there are many many more like me.


There will always be those who like the story and those that dislike it.

There will always be those who will be huge fans of Biowares work and those that will not be fans.

The world spins no matter which side we stand on. We just got to find what we like and agree with.

I enjoy the story and everything there is to Mass effect. Multiplayer was great and I liked that it was tied in with the Single Player. Even if I do not see my Multiplayer characters in the actual battles (which would be awesome imo), it is still nice to think that they have been brought into the war effort.

But everyone differs in their opinion. What I like may not be what you like, thats all good. Because if we all liked the same thing, things would be very boring in this world.

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It brought a smile to my face reading this. While i'm not feeling anywere the same it's always to see something like this every now and then. If anything it's a nice find in an overall disappointed forum.
It's awesome that respecting other peoples opinion hasn't died of completely just yet.

I wish i personally could like the franchise again like i did before. I miss being excited about stuff. I got no faith or trust in Bioware at this moment and remains very cynical about everything they do or say. The ball is in their court and it's up to them to show that they still do stuff that is relevant to what i enjoy. Not before then i feel that it's worth getting anywere near excited again. Your move Bioware, i'm waiting.

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CrazyRah wrote...

It brought a smile to my face reading this. While i'm not feeling anywere the same it's always to see something like this every now and then. If anything it's a nice find in an overall disappointed forum.
It's awesome that respecting other peoples opinion hasn't died of completely just yet.

I wish i personally could like the franchise again like i did before. I miss being excited about stuff. I got no faith or trust in Bioware at this moment and remains very cynical about everything they do or say. The ball is in their court and it's up to them to show that they still do stuff that is relevant to what i enjoy. Not before then i feel that it's worth getting anywere near excited again. Your move Bioware, i'm waiting.


Happy to be of service. What Bioware does will effect more people than just yourself, the next step may bring you back to having some of those old feelings. I myself desire some more time with Tali, feeling rather...cheated a bit. It doesn't anger me, but it would be nice, and thankfully Leviathan gave me a little more time.

For now though you've found a comfortable spot for yourself and thats a choice you will live with for such time as you deem it to be.

Overall, noted and respected.
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Wonderfully put. I'm right there with you. Regardless of my opinions of the endings, the gameplay, the choices, etc, you can't argue that Bioware has created a franchise that will be around for quite some time to come.

I love playing all of the games, I love debating the meaning of the whole series, and I love that it gives me inspiration for my own writing.

I have been a Bioware fan for a long, long time, and will continue to be so, because, agree or disagree, we all care enough about their games that we spend our time posting and chatting about a game that came out back in March.

I will always give Bioware the benifit of the doubt, and will always play their games. When the time comes, and Bioware announces no new content for ME3, I will sit back, ruminate on my experiences in this universe, and ask the most important question known to mankind:

"What's next?"

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I agree OP, synthesis is bad and wrong and so is the ending

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In the end,I have to agree with most, if not all, of the OP. Though, for me to address, in detail, this topic would take the space of War and Peace because of it's complexity. I am among the 40 or so percent that actually finish games for the most part. No, not all of them, but so far every Bioware game I have purchased (also a couple other game devs).

Bottom line for me is the question of why would it have been so terrible to have a 'happy ending' choice? I understand the 'sacrifice' of a hero character in literature, art, plays, and even gaming, but what would be so wrong with an ending similar to BG as one of the choices or options?

Since March I have came into this forum many times; mostly to read what the players think and in some instances to respond or ask a question. For the most part I have witnessed some great debates with most participants respectful of other's opinion and offering a well thought out counter arguement. Frankly, the other types of responses I generally ignore.

What Bioware does or doesn't do is, as stated hundreds of times in this forum, entirely up to them. I believe they DO listen to their customers (i.e. the EC DLC) but as a business they have many constraints to contend with that simply does not allow for all variations to be included in the final product. Yes, I think ME3 was rushed and the DLCs (except the EC) were in the bank to increase revenues after game release. But that, again, is/was Bioware and EA's decision and right.

In the end, I cannot say I will never buy another Bioware product. I am, in fact, running a male and female shep through ME1 & 2 currently and will import them into 3 after the next DLC (if I purchase them that is). I can say I will not buy them sight unseen however; and preorders of BW products will simply not happen as it has with every game after I played BG.

Finally, the OP was rather refreshing to read. I hope more of the good folks on this forum continue to follow suit with topics which are well thought out and relevant.

Ken

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hanshotfirs wrote...

Wonderfully put. I'm right there with you. Regardless of my opinions of the endings, the gameplay, the choices, etc, you can't argue that Bioware has created a franchise that will be around for quite some time to come.

I love playing all of the games, I love debating the meaning of the whole series, and I love that it gives me inspiration for my own writing.

I have been a Bioware fan for a long, long time, and will continue to be so, because, agree or disagree, we all care enough about their games that we spend our time posting and chatting about a game that came out back in March.

I will always give Bioware the benifit of the doubt, and will always play their games. When the time comes, and Bioware announces no new content for ME3, I will sit back, ruminate on my experiences in this universe, and ask the most important question known to mankind:

"What's next?"


Thank you and the same to you. There will always be a spot for many of us to have this awesome game in our thoughts. While I understand why a lot of people are angered by the direction, I can also acknowledge that they do have passion for the game just like we do. Under all their rage, I believe there is a small part of them wanting to get back into the Mass Effect story. Bioware will just need to work their magic to see if it brings them back in, but it will be up to those players to make that choice to try. Respectfully I choose to stay as I have said, most of my issues are few to none. But that is just me and I only speak for me.

Noted and respected.
B)

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Oranet wrote...

Bottom line for me is the question of why would it have been so terrible to have a 'happy ending' choice? I understand the 'sacrifice' of a hero character in literature, art, plays, and even gaming, but what would be so wrong with an ending similar to BG as one of the choices or options?


If Shep's got a happy ending available, the other choices might as well not exist. There's no reason to choose them.

I suppose you could make it work like Rannoch, where the reward for having good Reputation and a good save game import is to be able to avoid making a hard choice. I haven't managed to fail there yet. So I can't see how this would work in practice except to reduce the (sane) choices available to me.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:54 .


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Yeah I've always wondered why people were so worked up about the ending . I've gone through everything they have (even the Survey Valuable Minerals mission back in ME1). I respected the ending and the story because I believe that the seemingly shallow lack of logic given by the Catalyst may simply add to Sovereign's statement that they are a thing we cannot even hope to comprehend and that is true for that very reason. War is war . Most of the time it requires unthinkable sacrifices to resolve and the three endings given to us were the most reasonable. Conventional victory , I fully support but the fact that 20 000 other cycles , it makes me question how Shepard can be so different . How do we know that there may be a similar figure in the distant past who tried the same things Shepard did but failed ultimately ? It's just the Reapers' nature , they indeed can't be stopped . The Indoctrination Theory is REALLY clever and I could compare it to Inception and The 6th Sense but it would leave the ending of ME3 more vague than it was with the original endings . I truly believe that BioWare wouldn't just throw away a franchise like this and I remain faithful to their future plans with ME because with a story that formidable , I doubt that this is truly the end . Either that or Drew Karpyshyn needs to come back .


Shepard is different - an anomaly - because we, the players, control him. The reason is as simple and as clever as that.

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I am disappoint wrote...

I agree OP, synthesis is bad and wrong and so is the ending


The ending right now for me is fine and Synthesis just doesn't work with my ideal canon Shepard. But that is merely my opinion among a sea of other opinions, I just move through the waters like everyone else.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Oranet wrote...

Bottom line for me is the question of why would it have been so terrible to have a 'happy ending' choice? I understand the 'sacrifice' of a hero character in literature, art, plays, and even gaming, but what would be so wrong with an ending similar to BG as one of the choices or options?


If Shep's got a happy ending available, the other choices might as well not exist. There's no reason to choose them.

I suppose you could make it work like Rannoch, where the reward for having good Reputation and a good save game import is to be able to avoid making a hard choice. I haven't managed to fail there yet. So I can't see how this would work in practice except to reduce the (sane) choices available to me.


I agree with you for the most part, however, from what I have read on this forum over the past several months, many would choose the ultimate sacrifice for their Shep. I was just saying, perhaps poorly, that I felt a sense of accomplishment with the ending of BG as compared to how I felt when I first completed ME3. Probably a mute point though; I don't see that type of ending coming for ME.

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Oranet wrote...

In the end,I have to agree with most, if not all, of the OP. Though, for me to address, in detail, this topic would take the space of War and Peace because of it's complexity. I am among the 40 or so percent that actually finish games for the most part. No, not all of them, but so far every Bioware game I have purchased (also a couple other game devs).

Bottom line for me is the question of why would it have been so terrible to have a 'happy ending' choice? I understand the 'sacrifice' of a hero character in literature, art, plays, and even gaming, but what would be so wrong with an ending similar to BG as one of the choices or options?

Since March I have came into this forum many times; mostly to read what the players think and in some instances to respond or ask a question. For the most part I have witnessed some great debates with most participants respectful of other's opinion and offering a well thought out counter arguement. Frankly, the other types of responses I generally ignore.

What Bioware does or doesn't do is, as stated hundreds of times in this forum, entirely up to them. I believe they DO listen to their customers (i.e. the EC DLC) but as a business they have many constraints to contend with that simply does not allow for all variations to be included in the final product. Yes, I think ME3 was rushed and the DLCs (except the EC) were in the bank to increase revenues after game release. But that, again, is/was Bioware and EA's decision and right.

In the end, I cannot say I will never buy another Bioware product. I am, in fact, running a male and female shep through ME1 & 2 currently and will import them into 3 after the next DLC (if I purchase them that is). I can say I will not buy them sight unseen however; and preorders of BW products will simply not happen as it has with every game after I played BG.

Finally, the OP was rather refreshing to read. I hope more of the good folks on this forum continue to follow suit with topics which are well thought out and relevant.

Ken


Thank you for the kind words. I am not a perfect individual, I have found things to growl about before, and have done things to get a few snarls. But I also control my own mind and thus I can choose when to be kind or when to be a real hellion. As of now I feel a need to be kind, even in my lack of sleep.

Bioware is cooking something up, I can feel it but this could also be just a bit of hope. I would be lying if I said that I didn't want to see my Shepard claw his way out of that pile of rubble, walk his near broken body down that beam ramp, and suddenly fall into the waiting arms of Tali. Happy endings are nice to have, but a hero giving their life for the cause is great too.

Respectfully speaking, our tastes may differ but the love of a good story is always the same common feeling.

Noted and respected, thank you Ken for your awesome response.
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I for one am in it for the long haul, I have been a BW since Knights of the old Republic, its the game game that got me started into RPGs.
I loved ME 1 for its strong story, ME2 I loved but the RPG elements were lacking, but enjoyed out just the same.
ME3 , started off great to me, it wasn't till after Rannoch that it starts to get flat,I was hoping that the search and rescue missions would be where you actually land and rescue people but I still hope for the best with DLC to fill in the gaps of what we felt was missing from the game, i'm one of those few that don't mind paying for it but I do understand those who feel that content was cut to sale later.
I hope more people stay for the long haul with BW, keep the faith.

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Logic AND common sense OP?

C'mon, you must be trollin. This is the BSN, we don't allow that nonsense around these parts!

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jasonxxsatanna wrote...

I for one am in it for the long haul, I have been a BW since Knights of the old Republic, its the game game that got me started into RPGs.
I loved ME 1 for its strong story, ME2 I loved but the RPG elements were lacking, but enjoyed out just the same.
ME3 , started off great to me, it wasn't till after Rannoch that it starts to get flat,I was hoping that the search and rescue missions would be where you actually land and rescue people but I still hope for the best with DLC to fill in the gaps of what we felt was missing from the game, i'm one of those few that don't mind paying for it but I do understand those who feel that content was cut to sale later.
I hope more people stay for the long haul with BW, keep the faith.


I understand how you feel entirely.

I wanted there to be more to priority: Rannoch / Palaven. As a Tali and Garrus fan it was great to finally see these places even though Palaven was just from a Moon. Garrus got more face time around than Tali did, but Tali we got to directly go on her planet alongside her. Being Human like Shepard is though, I can understand why going to Palaven would of required at least being in a enviromental suit which would require more development time.

It may be nice if BW did extended cuts to the Priority missions, but we will have to wait and see. I know rescuing people always feels nice in Mass Effect, a little shimmer of glory in all of the chaos. But I believe Bioware will surprise us with something nice, so waiting to see is all we can really do.

Noted and respected
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Longest post i read for awhile and i agree completely. Nice post OP.

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Fat Head wrote...

Logic AND common sense OP?

C'mon, you must be trollin. This is the BSN, we don't allow that nonsense around these parts!


I missed these rules apparently. From some of the kind responses I have seen though, I think I have been forgiven a bit. But I will take note and respect it.

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Kesak12 wrote...

Longest post i read for awhile and i agree completely. Nice post OP.


Happy to be of service. I was actually going to put more but I felt that would of been overkill. I may consider a reply of a extended cut sort of speak lol.

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You need a tl;dr summary.

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

You need a tl;dr summary.


We all need a lot of things.

but noted and respect
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Everything but Synthesis...
Synthesis and its supporters can go **** themselves...
No respect at all...

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Bill Casey wrote...

Everything but Synthesis...
Synthesis and its supporters can go **** themselves...
No respect at all...


Synthesis has its place, even if its not in the ideal canon story for my Shepard.

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I'm not sure what exactly this thread is about, to be honest.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Everything but Synthesis...
Synthesis and its supporters can go **** themselves...
No respect at all...


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Sorry for offtopic stuff OP, but I find such individual very funny.:o