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[halbert986]

Ithurael wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...


that's diffrent Reaper destroyer, but Harbringer is First Reaper, and it will not attack evac ships. basically i'm saying that all Reapers are diffrent but they are automated, Harbringer is not. he's just like Sovereign.

OK,

I have to know where you got that information? All reapers are independant (in ME1-2 post ME3 is up in the air as it is hard to be independant when your consciousness is linked to a central source) How is Harbinger not automated? He is a reaper and is part of starkid just as soveriegn was part of starkid?

And how does Harbinger being the first reaper mean that it will not attack evac ships?

Apparently the rules of war still apply to reapers. No shooting medics. :innocent:

Modifié par halbert986, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[Eskell]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Eskell wrote...

Indeed that was one of the worst scenes I've ever seen. Almost makes me think the original ending wasn't so bad...

Please tell me you're joking. The original endings are absolutely horrible, all the original endings were just different color explosions. The EC actually made each ending unique. 

Yes they were but I don't really think the EC is a big improvement. Just a little step.

[Jadebaby]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

This, actually.

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

This, actually.

but Reapers can also see, and its obvious the Normandy doesn't look like a Reaper

[Ithurael]

halbert986 wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...


that's diffrent Reaper destroyer, but Harbringer is First Reaper, and it will not attack evac ships. basically i'm saying that all Reapers are diffrent but they are automated, Harbringer is not. he's just like Sovereign.

OK,

I have to know where you got that information? All reapers are independant (in ME1-2 post ME3 is up in the air as it is hard to be independant when your consciousness is linked to a central source) How is Harbinger not automated? He is a reaper and is part of starkid just as soveriegn was part of starkid?

And how does Harbinger being the first reaper mean that it will not attack evac ships?

Apparently the rules of war still apply to reapers. No shooting medics. :innocent:

It was just Harbinger being Good GUy Harbinger.

He is the antithesis of Scumbag Soveriegn.

[halbert986]

I wasn't impressed with the EC. The only thing it added was 6 lines of explanation from the starchild. Then a pretty concept art slideshow complete with narration of "why the galaxy isn't screwed."

It all struck me as track covering level 10. To pretend this was all assumed to be understood by us and we're just too stupid to comprehend it was the kicker.

[Abraham_uk]

halbert986 wrote...

Finally played through the EC endings.
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any video game, movie, or other form of entertainment was the Normandy coming to evac your squad right in the middle of the beam rush. That really happened? "Hey don't mind us Harbinger we're just evacing these 2 minorly wounded people while everyone else gets lasered to death around us. Screw Anderson's no retreat orders, I don't want you to die."

Meanwhile Harbinger just stares at you... "Take your time Sheppy, I'll wait." 

I loved Mass Effect 3. All three main series Mass Effect games in fact.
I enjoyed the extended cut endings.

But that scene was a bit dumb. This is the moment where I take of my apologist cap and say, that scene wasn't needed. They could have just killed of my squad.

Then again that laser beam should have killed Shepard.

[halbert986]

So if reaper IFF's are the lynch pin of this discussion. Why haven't we installed them in every ship in the galaxy? Reapers would just sit there getting shelled and farting.

[Baa Baa]

halbert986 wrote...

So if reaper IFF's are the lynch pin of this discussion. Why haven't we installed them in every ship in the galaxy? Reapers would just sit there getting shelled and farting.

Or if they couldn't afford to, just put it into like 5 cruisers? Then stock them up with ammunition, making them routinely go out, blow up four or 5 reapers, then come back restock, repeat.

[Ithurael]

Abraham_uk wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

Finally played through the EC endings.
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any video game, movie, or other form of entertainment was the Normandy coming to evac your squad right in the middle of the beam rush. That really happened? "Hey don't mind us Harbinger we're just evacing these 2 minorly wounded people while everyone else gets lasered to death around us. Screw Anderson's no retreat orders, I don't want you to die."

Meanwhile Harbinger just stares at you... "Take your time Sheppy, I'll wait." 

I loved Mass Effect 3. All three main series Mass Effect games in fact.
I enjoyed the extended cut endings.

But that scene was a bit dumb. This is the moment where I take of my apologist cap and say, that scene wasn't needed. They could have just killed of my squad.

Then again that laser beam should have killed Shepard.

Or we could have just shot harbinger in the face with the thanix guns...

Give ME3 a climax for chr*st sake!

[jstme]

It is not the wrost thing in mE3 , it was facepalmingly hilarious. It made me laugh ,really hard.
For all the points you mentioned plus another one:
Consider the whole absurdity of ENTIRE Priority Earth with that scene. Why not simply fly to the beam using Normandy??? Just as Normandy succesfully loaded people , it could have succesfully unload people in the same bloody spot.

Modifié par jstme, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ithurael wrote...
Or we could have just shot harbinger in the face with the thanix guns...

Give ME3 a climax for chr*st sake!

Sorry we gave it more sacrifice, hopelessness and symbolism instead. Stay tuned for more DLC!

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[P_sutherland]

I thought the Reaper IFF was somewhat useless when the Reaper is close enough to tell that the IFF isnt coming from a reaper?

[Ithurael]

jstme wrote...

It is not the wrost thing in mE3 , it was facepalmingly hilarious. It made me laugh ,really hard.
For all the points you mentioned plus another one:
Consider the whole absurdity of ENTIRE Priority Earth with that scene. Why not simply fly to the beam using Normandy??? Just as Normandy succesfully loaded people , it could have succesfully unload people in the same bloody spot.

I know...

That and in vanilla ME3 Anderson stated that the beam interfered with Air support...

Bioware didn't know what else to do...

[Darth Malice113]

P_sutherland wrote...

I thought the Reaper IFF was somewhat useless when the Reaper is close enough to tell that the IFF isnt coming from a reaper?

That would be a logical assumption.


BTW, the IFF didn't prevent the Collector cruiser from firing on the Normandy during the Suicide Mission either.

[DeathWingKingUltimate]

Yeah if the normandy could get close to evac why not shoot the destroyer in first place? there are A LOT of plot holes that this one doesn't count

[devSin]

P_sutherland wrote...

I thought the Reaper IFF was somewhat useless when the Reaper is close enough to tell that the IFF isnt coming from a reaper?

The IFF is for a targeting system.

So in the big battle in space, a Reaper wouldn't automatically lock on to you, because you would claim to be a Reaper when it asked (the Reapers probably have the capacity to scan every single target before firing, which would make it useless, but whatever).

Once the Reaper scans you, though, it's going to see that you're no Reaper, and if you're sitting right in front of it, no amount of IFF hacks are going to trick it into thinking you're anything other than the SR2.

Modifié par devSin, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[halbert986]

I could have accepted the normandy bombing harbinger just to give him "something else to shoot at"

The sheer lack of planning on this mission was crazy. We took down 2 destroyers easily enough, why one on earth turned into such a problem was weird. Shells don't have guidance and propulsion systems like thanix missiles. You can target manually as we learned on Rannoch. Precision didn't matter here it's 2 km long, pretty hard not to hit. If they wanted to make this seem like an impossible task, they should have had a sovereign class reaper guarding the beam. Not little bunny fufu and the troops.

[WarGriffin]

The Reapers are reduced to idiots in Me3

you should have realised this before the EC

[WarGriffin]

halbert986 wrote...

I could have accepted the normandy bombing harbinger just to give him "something else to shoot at"

The sheer lack of planning on this mission was crazy. We took down 2 destroyers easily enough, why one on earth turned into such a problem was weird. Shells don't have guidance and propulsion systems like thanix missiles. You can target manually as we learned on Rannoch. Precision didn't matter here it's 2 km long, pretty hard not to hit. If they wanted to make this seem like an impossible task, they should have had a sovereign class reaper guarding the beam. Not little bunny fufu and the troops.

Cause the Reapers power runs on plot

Thier only invincible/unbeatable

till they need to be killed


Hence you have London Long John wiping through they task force yet is too stupid to fry shepard.

[alienatedflea]

halbert986 wrote...

Finally played through the EC endings.
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any video game, movie, or other form of entertainment was the Normandy coming to evac your squad right in the middle of the beam rush. That really happened? "Hey don't mind us Harbinger we're just evacing these 2 minorly wounded people while everyone else gets lasered to death around us. Screw Anderson's no retreat orders, I don't want you to die."

Meanwhile Harbinger just stares at you... "Take your time Sheppy, I'll wait." 

That's the best they could do? Rather than say "Yeah your squad being alive at the end was a bug, our bad." They constructed this absurd scene. Your squad should have died. End-o-story. It would have been "emotional story telling" not incomprehensibly stupid track covering.

It trumps the catalyst, all things Deus ex, and Gears of War 2's directionless story. It trumps every other moment that has ever made me guffaw out of sheer unbelievability. 

As if I needed even more evidence against it, Indoctrination Theory cannot exist in a world where this is acceptable writing.

It's equivalent to a 6 year old saying "I shot you while I was dying" when playing imaginary gunfight. Or better yet, yelling "time out" and "truce."

I dont know about that statement...I have seen some decent movies that have a scene or two that was made the evac scene look oscar worthy...I know it was corny but then again people ****ed about the ending and questioned how your squadmates made it to the normandy...blah blah blah...all you have to blame is you...I love the endings so its like whatever to me...

[Rommel49]

Ithurael wrote...

jstme wrote...

It is not the wrost thing in mE3 , it was facepalmingly hilarious. It made me laugh ,really hard.
For all the points you mentioned plus another one:
Consider the whole absurdity of ENTIRE Priority Earth with that scene. Why not simply fly to the beam using Normandy??? Just as Normandy succesfully loaded people , it could have succesfully unload people in the same bloody spot.

I know...

That and in vanilla ME3 Anderson stated that the beam interfered with Air support...

Bioware didn't know what else to do...

Well, I suppose you could make some apologetic (maybe) for the beam not screwing up the Normandy since its engine is unique, but that's about it.

Like I said though, it's still incredibly silly that both sides call a time out. None of the forces in orbit bombard Harbinger while it's on the ground and keeping everybody from reaching the beam. Seriously, no fire support for that objective? And the beam shouldn't screw up orbital bombardment, that involves firing solid slugs, i.e. no guidance system.

"Hey guys, little help down here so us guys moving on foot can get past the giant Reaper? We're kinda, you know, all dying and getting pwned. Big shock, I know".

[halbert986]

alienatedflea wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

Finally played through the EC endings. 
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any video game, movie, or other form of entertainment was the Normandy coming to evac your squad right in the middle of the beam rush. That really happened? "Hey don't mind us Harbinger we're just evacing these 2 minorly wounded people while everyone else gets lasered to death around us. Screw Anderson's no retreat orders, I don't want you to die."

Meanwhile Harbinger just stares at you... "Take your time Sheppy, I'll wait." 

That's the best they could do? Rather than say "Yeah your squad being alive at the end was a bug, our bad." They constructed this absurd scene. Your squad should have died. End-o-story. It would have been "emotional story telling" not incomprehensibly stupid track covering.

It trumps the catalyst, all things Deus ex, and Gears of War 2's directionless story. It trumps every other moment that has ever made me guffaw out of sheer unbelievability. 

As if I needed even more evidence against it, Indoctrination Theory cannot exist in a world where this is acceptable writing.

It's equivalent to a 6 year old saying "I shot you while I was dying" when playing imaginary gunfight. Or better yet, yelling "time out" and "truce."

I dont know about that statement...I have seen some decent movies that have a scene or two that was made the evac scene look oscar worthy...I know it was corny but then again people ****ed about the ending and questioned how your squadmates made it to the normandy...blah blah blah...all you have to blame is you...I love the endings so its like whatever to me...

How could they not come up with a better scenario?

There's at least 5 other ideas in this thread alone that are better than "LOL herreeee we come to save the day!"

Modifié par halbert986, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[Galbrant]

Yeah this entire scene in the extended cut was stupid. The writer clearly did not think it through. What's worst is that Hackett is on the Normandy. He is freaking busy directing the battle in space alongside the Sword fleet. I seriously doubt he would let Joker disrupt his battle progress just to rescue two squad members while hundreds of Hammer forces are dying to make it to the beam run. You know what.. That's why we can't win the war conventionally because Shepard put the lives of his squadmates above the lives of everyone else. It's despicable. Bringing the Normandy that close to Harbringer was beyond idiotic. In one fell swoop Harbringer can kill two of the Galaxy's best leaders with one single beam, Shepard and Hackett. ARRGH.. Just thinking about this stupidity is causing me to have a brain hemorrhage.