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[halbert986]

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah this entire scene in the extended cut was stupid. The writer clearly did not think it through. What's worst is that Hackett is on the Normandy. He is freaking busy directing the battle in space alongside the Sword fleet. I seriously doubt he would let Joker disrupt his battle progress just to rescue two squad members while hundreds of Hammer forces are dying to make it to the beam run. You know what.. That's why we can't win the war conventionally because Shepard put the lives of his squadmates above the lives of everyone else. It's despicable. Bringing the Normandy that close to Harbringer was beyond idiotic. In one fell swoop Harbringer can kill two of the Galaxy's best leaders with one single beam, Shepard and Hackett. ARRGH.. Just thinking about this stupidity is causing me to have a brain hemorrhage.

Was hackett still aboard the normandy? I just assumed he went back to his ship... 

But yeah that's what I mean. the endings were bad, but there's little pockets of logic here and there. The normandy scene is just 100% stupid.

[Galbrant]

halbert986 wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah this entire scene in the extended cut was stupid. The writer clearly did not think it through. What's worst is that Hackett is on the Normandy. He is freaking busy directing the battle in space alongside the Sword fleet. I seriously doubt he would let Joker disrupt his battle progress just to rescue two squad members while hundreds of Hammer forces are dying to make it to the beam run. You know what.. That's why we can't win the war conventionally because Shepard put the lives of his squadmates above the lives of everyone else. It's despicable. Bringing the Normandy that close to Harbringer was beyond idiotic. In one fell swoop Harbringer can kill two of the Galaxy's best leaders with one single beam, Shepard and Hackett. ARRGH.. Just thinking about this stupidity is causing me to have a brain hemorrhage.

Was hackett still aboard the normandy? I just assumed he went back to his ship... 

But yeah that's what I mean. the endings were bad, but there's little pockets of logic here and there. The normandy scene is just 100% stupid.

I'm pretty sure he took command of it to lead the battle against the Reapers... makes sense he can just sit in the back with the stealth drive to prevent the Reapers getting a clear shot at him. I may have to rewatch the scene again to be sure though.... 

Oh and there is the EDI scene if you bought her along...

 

Apparently Shepard forgot she can't die unless the Normandy gets destroyed too...

[Zombie Inc 91]

Whenever I hear the reaper IFF arguement for that scene, I always think of Futurama when Zap Branigain hands Earth's defense codes to "Hugh Man".

I like that they at least explained how your squad got picked up. And it made a decent emotional scene I suppose. But I just can't get over how silly it comes off as. Sovereign wouldn't stand for that. Maybe people were just more polite in Harbinger's day...

[GreyReaver]

Flog61 wrote...

It's the second worst thing about me3.

The firs tis the disappointing lack of dinosaurs.

I"m sure it's a simple oversight but, you forgot rainbows and unicorns too!

[GreyReaver]

Galbrant wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah this entire scene in the extended cut was stupid. The writer clearly did not think it through. What's worst is that Hackett is on the Normandy. He is freaking busy directing the battle in space alongside the Sword fleet. I seriously doubt he would let Joker disrupt his battle progress just to rescue two squad members while hundreds of Hammer forces are dying to make it to the beam run. You know what.. That's why we can't win the war conventionally because Shepard put the lives of his squadmates above the lives of everyone else. It's despicable. Bringing the Normandy that close to Harbringer was beyond idiotic. In one fell swoop Harbringer can kill two of the Galaxy's best leaders with one single beam, Shepard and Hackett. ARRGH.. Just thinking about this stupidity is causing me to have a brain hemorrhage.

Was hackett still aboard the normandy? I just assumed he went back to his ship... 

But yeah that's what I mean. the endings were bad, but there's little pockets of logic here and there. The normandy scene is just 100% stupid.

I'm pretty sure he took command of it to lead the battle against the Reapers... makes sense he can just sit in the back with the stealth drive to prevent the Reapers getting a clear shot at him. I may have to rewatch the scene again to be sure though.... 

Oh and there is the EDI scene if you bought her along...

 

Apparently Shepard forgot she can't die unless the Normandy gets destroyed too...

Oh but wait a second, EDI and the Normandy are together and within easy shooting distance of Harbinger.  Oh wait again, BW forgot to put the "Red Cross" sign on the Normandy for the medivac

[Rommel49]

I don't know, but I wouldn't think it'd be too big a deal to "fix" either, so it, you know, made sense. Atleast the way I see it; a few explosions/dust clouds in the horizon at Harby's position and like, two lines of dialogue, the order to have the fleet focus fire on Harby and confirmation of the order, make Harby's last go with the beam be its dying act or some such (or potentially even get hit by piece of its wreckage when it blows up, ala Sovereign).

[TheRealJayDee]

Far from being the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. But it was ridiculous, and it sure didn't help improve my appreciation of the game. Good thing Harby seems to suffer from a severe case narcolepsy.

[halbert986]

A giant shark eating a 747 and then doing battle with a giant octopus is more believable.

[MythicalStick]

1. Yes. I have to admit it was ridiculous. I understand why they tried to do it, to give the fans more closure, one last moment. But it made no sense. Dangerous to bring the Normandy down there like that. Use a shuttle.

2. I suspect that Hackett did not stay on the Normandy. I got the sense that he went back to his flagship after delivering his pre-attack speech. It's all supposition because there is no scene that actually shows him either in the CIC of the Normandy during the attack, or on another ship.

[Ithurael]

Rommel49 wrote...

I don't know, but I wouldn't think it'd be too big a deal to "fix" either, so it, you know, made sense. Atleast the way I see it; a few explosions/dust clouds in the horizon at Harby's position and like, two lines of dialogue, the order to have the fleet focus fire on Harby and confirmation of the order, make Harby's last go with the beam be its dying act or some such (or potentially even get hit by piece of its wreckage when it blows up, ala Sovereign).

God forbid Bioware gives the game a climax that can be done via gameplay or a cut-scene based on EMS...

[wright1978]

halbert986 wrote...

Finally played through the EC endings.
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any video game, movie, or other form of entertainment was the Normandy coming to evac your squad right in the middle of the beam rush. That really happened? "Hey don't mind us Harbinger we're just evacing these 2 minorly wounded people while everyone else gets lasered to death around us. Screw Anderson's no retreat orders, I don't want you to die."

Meanwhile Harbinger just stares at you... "Take your time Sheppy, I'll wait." 

That's the best they could do? Rather than say "Yeah your squad being alive at the end was a bug, our bad." They constructed this absurd scene. Your squad should have died. End-o-story. It would have been "emotional story telling" not incomprehensibly stupid track covering.

It trumps the catalyst, all things Deus ex, and Gears of War 2's directionless story. It trumps every other moment that has ever made me guffaw out of sheer unbelievability. 

As if I needed even more evidence against it, Indoctrination Theory cannot exist in a world where this is acceptable writing.

It's equivalent to a 6 year old saying "I shot you while I was dying" when playing imaginary gunfight. Or better yet, yelling "time out" and "truce."

Yep how you plug a plothole by inserting an even bigger ridicolous sequence.

[halbert986]

Yeah just saw the ending video snippet of Hackett and he's back in some big war room that's not the normandy.

Maybe Shepard hit his head when he's in that tank with everyone and it crashes. And he's aving a fantastic fever dream. That's what I'm going with. It's the only way any of this makes sense.

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

This, actually.

but Reapers can also see, and its obvious the Normandy doesn't look like a Reaper

He is like how many kilometres away? Maybe he forgot his contacts.

[KENNY4753]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

This, actually.

but Reapers can also see, and its obvious the Normandy doesn't look like a Reaper

He is like how many kilometres away? Maybe he forgot his contacts.

He was too busy crying because he knew his 2 minute cameo was almost up. 

[BSpud]

Incredible how in the name of clarification, they substitute one blatant plot hole for another. But at least the new plot hole has "emotions."

[Savber100]

Uhh Reapers don't "see", they sense through a friend/foe system hence the Reaper IFF system. This is something that people keep failing to understand as they keep thinking that Reapers "see" like organics. 

It's the same reason why the Normandy was able to escape Earth relatively intact even with a destroyer next to it. 

What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

There's plenty of ME3 plotholes but this is just not one of them. 

Modifié par Savber100, 03 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[Jadebaby]

Savber100 wrote...

Uhh Reapers don't "see", they sense through a friend/foe system hence the Reaper IFF system. This is something that people keep failing to understand as they keep thinking that Reapers "see" like organics. 

It's the same reason why the Normandy was able to escape Earth relatively intact even with a destroyer next to it. 

What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

There's plenty of ME3 plotholes but this is just not one of them. 

I was being silly. See my first answer "This, actually."

[RadicalDisconnect]

Galbrant wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah this entire scene in the extended cut was stupid. The writer clearly did not think it through. What's worst is that Hackett is on the Normandy. He is freaking busy directing the battle in space alongside the Sword fleet. I seriously doubt he would let Joker disrupt his battle progress just to rescue two squad members while hundreds of Hammer forces are dying to make it to the beam run. You know what.. That's why we can't win the war conventionally because Shepard put the lives of his squadmates above the lives of everyone else. It's despicable. Bringing the Normandy that close to Harbringer was beyond idiotic. In one fell swoop Harbringer can kill two of the Galaxy's best leaders with one single beam, Shepard and Hackett. ARRGH.. Just thinking about this stupidity is causing me to have a brain hemorrhage.

Was hackett still aboard the normandy? I just assumed he went back to his ship... 

But yeah that's what I mean. the endings were bad, but there's little pockets of logic here and there. The normandy scene is just 100% stupid.

I'm pretty sure he took command of it to lead the battle against the Reapers... makes sense he can just sit in the back with the stealth drive to prevent the Reapers getting a clear shot at him. I may have to rewatch the scene again to be sure though.... 

Oh and there is the EDI scene if you bought her along...

 

Apparently Shepard forgot she can't die unless the Normandy gets destroyed too...

Yeah, the extraction is really bad if you bring EDI along.

EDI: This body is disposable.
Shepard: Go away, I don't need your logic.

[Savber100]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Uhh Reapers don't "see", they sense through a friend/foe system hence the Reaper IFF system. This is something that people keep failing to understand as they keep thinking that Reapers "see" like organics. 

It's the same reason why the Normandy was able to escape Earth relatively intact even with a destroyer next to it. 

What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

There's plenty of ME3 plotholes but this is just not one of them. 

I was being silly. See my first answer "This, actually."

Hence why I got rid of the quotes. 

But honestly it surprises me that people thought this was a plothole. 

Almost as bad when this one poster kept ****ing about how the EC epilogue scenes were a plothole because they weren't shown in order etc. 

[BSpud]

Savber100 wrote...
What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

Other than that it's ridiculous and unsupported (and contradicted several times previously and after)?

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:01 .

[Yakko77]

But it was Extended Cut... which fixed everything... right?!?!

[llbountyhunter]

Savber100 wrote...

Uhh Reapers don't "see", they sense through a friend/foe system hence the Reaper IFF system. This is something that people keep failing to understand as they keep thinking that Reapers "see" like organics. 

It's the same reason why the Normandy was able to escape Earth relatively intact even with a destroyer next to it. 

What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

There's plenty of ME3 plotholes but this is just not one of them. 

yes, they can "see"

and even so, the collector ship in me2 was able to detect the normandy just fine during the suicide mission. I really dont think that the collectors (reaper pawns) have better sensors than the reapers themselfs.


not to mention that shepard and his squad were standing still right next to the normandy. they were able to have a nice chat and harbinger instead chose to fire at the running and more difficult targets.

 
sometimes I just wish bioware had gone with IT......

[Savber100]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Savber100 wrote...
What exactly is wrong with this explanation? 

Other than that it's ridiculous and unsupported (and contradicted several times perviously)?

Man if BeefheartSpud says so, it must be so! 

Explain... I have yet to hear suitable refutation besides "gurlgez this is stpidz!" 

[Yakko77]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I nearly spewed my drink onto my monitor with that.  Not sure why he has a Centauri haircut from Babylon 5.  He seems loony today but a ME universe would pretty much vindicate him.

[sonicphoto]

Has some have stated before, Harbinger didn't really want to kill Shepard, and the Normandy was flying exactly on top of him later on, so thats why he didn't shoot it, because it could kill Shepard. And no, I am not saying its indoctrination, but maybe The catalyst wanted to speak with Shepard, because he knew about synthesis by now and thought it was the best option and he needed Shepard to do it. As he clearly states that he cannot activate the Crucible's functions. He also probably wanted to give Shepard some hope, that some people made it out alive, so that way he can convince him that he will sacrifice himself for those that are in the Normandy. I am not saying Synthesis is the solution, just in case, but the Catalyst wanted this and had try it before but failed. Now he had hope with the crucible "the crucible changed me".